Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the disk drive? J On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: > im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator > of the > thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items > should have > their own thread , else the group will look like crap... > > i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive > for the > fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! > > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner. > > J > > On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: > >> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: charles c >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> >> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >> original thread? >> charles] >> >> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>> >>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>> >>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair >>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>> but they are matches better >>> >>> and provide superior sound >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jason Adkins >>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> >>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>> reply or argue with that. >>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe >>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I >>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>> others and this is equally nice. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>> >>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>> 01w >>>> >>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>> >>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>> >>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>> with >>>> digital osc >>>> >>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths >>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>> vca >>>> >>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>> >>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>> >>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>> fast enough >>>> >>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>> >>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>> >>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining >>>> which adds latency >>>> >>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>> >>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>> control >>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>> >>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control >>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>> and >>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>> >>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>> >>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>> >>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little >>>> steppy >>>> >>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>> it >>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>> >>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>> and a new analog filter >>>> >>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>> >>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>> >>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>> can >>>> do >>>> >>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>> >>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do >>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>> >>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing >>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>> >>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>> not use res >>>> >>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>> table >>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>> sin/ >>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>> >>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can >>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>> >>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>> the >>>> 135mb optical drives >>>> >>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>> >>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>> >>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>> sequencer >>>> >>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>> >>>> tx16w >>>> >>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>> >>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support >>>> >>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>> >>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>> >>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>> hand mula >>>> >>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add >>>> your own >>>> >>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>> and >>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>> >>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very >>>> good synth type sounds >>>> >>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>> and >>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>> >>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key >>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter >>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel >>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hiya, >>>> >>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>> they >>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't >>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>> >>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>> >>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>> filters >>>>> and they are warm >>>>> >>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths >>>>> through it >>>>> >>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>> >>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>> matrix12 >>>>> >>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>> fzf >>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>> >>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>> series >>>>> >>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>> >>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>> >>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>> >>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>> >>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>> >>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>> >>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>> with >>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>> >>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>> by >>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>> lower >>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>> >>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>> but >>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>> dco >>>>> of the roland series >>>>> >>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>> good >>>>> as >>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love >>>>> the >>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue >>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody >>>>> and >>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>> >>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting >>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>> match of >>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>> the >>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>> >>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>> near >>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card >>>>>> >>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>> >>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it >>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>> >>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>> filters >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy >>>>>> to >>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>> adding a >>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>> becuase >>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>> >>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>> midi >>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>> but >>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>> >>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set >>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes >>>>>> and >>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a >>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg >>>>>> wavetables >>>>>> >>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it >>>>>> or >>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to >>>>>> use >>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>> >>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>> >>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>> it >>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>> >>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>> >>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>> atari >>>>>> >>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>> this >>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>> >>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>> them >>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>> >>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg >>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle >>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>> >>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here >>>>>> has >>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>> used >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things >>>>>> are >>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a >>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as >>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20 >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by Jason Adkins