Frankly, while Charles may have a point about it being good form to start a new thread for tangential musings, I'd be very unhappy about discouraging such great sources of information as jammie. I'll read through a LOT of slightly disorganized information rather than forego it altogether.
So please, take it easy on people who are actually contributing and trying to help. I think you'll be MORE likely to get your initial question addressed thoroughly if you lighten up a little.
Besides, it's not like the Casio group is overflowing with activity most days. I think the gentleman who commented about top-posting has a far more substantive point.
Thanks for all the great discussion and information, everyone. :)
--- On Tue, 10/23/12, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 7:28 PM
Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the
disk drive?
J
On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote:
> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator
> of the
> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items
> should have
> their own thread , else the group will look like crap...
>
> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive
> for the
> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread!
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>
>
> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner.
>
> J
>
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:
>
>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: charles c
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the
>> original thread?
>> charles]
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>>
>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair
>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components
>>> but they are matches better
>>>
>>> and provide superior sound
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
>>> reply or argue with that.
>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I
>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
>>> others and this is equally nice.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>>
>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and
>>>> 01w
>>>>
>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>>
>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>>
>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters
>>>> with
>>>> digital osc
>>>>
>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog
>>>> vca
>>>>
>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>>
>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>>
>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>>> fast enough
>>>>
>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>>
>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>>>>
>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
>>>> which adds latency
>>>>
>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>>
>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital
>>>> control
>>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>>
>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled
>>>> and
>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>>
>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>>
>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>>
>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
>>>> steppy
>>>>
>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000
>>>> it
>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>>
>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
>>>> and a new analog filter
>>>>
>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>>
>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>>
>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs
>>>> can
>>>> do
>>>>
>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>>
>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>>
>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>>
>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
>>>> not use res
>>>>
>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the
>>>> table
>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used
>>>> sin/
>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>>
>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
>>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>>
>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having
>>>> the
>>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>>
>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>>
>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>>
>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware
>>>> sequencer
>>>>
>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>>
>>>> tx16w
>>>>
>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>>
>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>>>>
>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>>
>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>>
>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
>>>> hand mula
>>>>
>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
>>>> your own
>>>>
>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers
>>>> and
>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>>
>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
>>>> good synth type sounds
>>>>
>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1
>>>> and
>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>>
>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hiya,
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did
>>>> they
>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>>
>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog
>>>>> filters
>>>>> and they are warm
>>>>>
>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>>>>> through it
>>>>>
>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>>
>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>>> matrix12
>>>>>
>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in
>>>>> fzf
>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>>
>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>>> series
>>>>>
>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>>
>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>>
>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>>
>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>>
>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>>
>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>>
>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered
>>>>> with
>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>>
>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers
>>>>> by
>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves
>>>>> lower
>>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>>
>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled
>>>>> but
>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the
>>>>> dco
>>>>> of the roland series
>>>>>
>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as
>>>>> good
>>>>> as
>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love
>>>>> the
>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
>>>>> and
>>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on
>>>>> match of
>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for
>>>>> the
>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the
>>>>>> near
>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and
>>>>>> adding a
>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc
>>>>>> becuase
>>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any
>>>>>> midi
>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and
>>>>>> atari
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> k3
>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin
>>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the
>>>>>>> Korg
>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive
>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a
>>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m
>>>>>>>>>> floppies?
>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> charles
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-24 by K Davis