I take it you have done a similar thing yourself then Jammie,let me guess some clients expensive synthesizer board? I'd give it a go but knowing me I probably put in there as the same for a ham and pineapple pizza and I don't really want to accidently eat G5 powermac motherboard parts for dinner...... I would give it a go but its just too much aggro stripping the thing down,its worth bugger all anyway but if you have any suggestions that I could do with the board in place I'd be glad to hear them. J On 26 Oct 2012, at 22:53, jammie wrote: > thats what they do in a re flow oven > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Adkins > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m > > > > Hi Charles, > > ;) You did well there I messed about with the internals of a floppy > once and I made a right pigs breakfast of it. > > Its funny you should mention the oven because I have a broken 1.8 > dual > G5 Powermac and one of the solutions on the web is to put the > mainboard in an oven to slightly melt the solder around the ram > sockets which is the problem with it coz it doesn't recognise the > ram, > many a thing said in jest and all that. > > J > > On 24 Oct 2012, at 03:31, charlie midi gfa wrote: > >> no , took my head out of the oven >> >> >> but seriousilly >> painfully re-alligned the read head manually, >> >> stoked , it is regained strenght!!!!!!! >> >> charles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk> >> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >> >> >> Hey glad to hear it Charles did you take your false teeth out of the >> disk drive? >> >> J >> >> On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:34, charlie midi gfa wrote: >> >>> im bad for this too , but lets remmeber to address the originator >>> of the >>> thread and not the followers,,any side longed comments or items >>> should have >>> their own thread , else the group will look like crap... >>> >>> i did however manage to fix repair and re-install the original drive >>> for the >>> fz10m..so now i want to do disk trades..new thread! >>> >>> charles >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>> >>> >>> I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty >>> corner. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote: >>> >>>> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered >>>> it >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: charles c >>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM >>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the >>>> original thread? >>>> charles] >>>> >>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics >>>>> >>>>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to >>>>> repair >>>>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components >>>>> but they are matches better >>>>> >>>>> and provide superior sound >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and >>>>> reply or argue with that. >>>>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I >>>>> believe >>>>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly >>>>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 >>>>> new I >>>>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's + >>>>> others and this is equally nice. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it was becuase every thing went digital >>>>>> >>>>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and >>>>>> 01w >>>>>> >>>>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter >>>>>> >>>>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters >>>>>> >>>>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters >>>>>> with >>>>>> digital osc >>>>>> >>>>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital >>>>>> synths >>>>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly >>>>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog >>>>>> vca >>>>>> >>>>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great >>>>>> >>>>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters >>>>>> >>>>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one >>>>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing >>>>>> fast enough >>>>>> >>>>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back >>>>>> >>>>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input >>>>>> >>>>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the >>>>>> begining >>>>>> which adds latency >>>>>> >>>>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not >>>>>> >>>>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital >>>>>> control >>>>>> by cpu and analog audio path >>>>>> >>>>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu >>>>>> control >>>>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled >>>>>> and >>>>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN >>>>>> >>>>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and >>>>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters >>>>>> >>>>>> this was first done on an 8bit system >>>>>> >>>>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a >>>>>> little >>>>>> steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit >>>>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 >>>>>> it >>>>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy >>>>>> >>>>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital >>>>>> and a new analog filter >>>>>> >>>>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series >>>>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best >>>>>> >>>>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths >>>>>> >>>>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/ >>>>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs >>>>>> can >>>>>> do >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could >>>>>> do >>>>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding >>>>>> >>>>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the >>>>>> fealing >>>>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves >>>>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable >>>>>> >>>>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did >>>>>> not use res >>>>>> >>>>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the >>>>>> table >>>>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used >>>>>> sin/ >>>>>> tri/square/saw noise waves >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you >>>>>> can >>>>>> do some neat filter tricks >>>>>> >>>>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having >>>>>> the >>>>>> 135mb optical drives >>>>>> >>>>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks >>>>>> >>>>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that >>>>>> >>>>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware >>>>>> sequencer >>>>>> >>>>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack >>>>>> >>>>>> tx16w >>>>>> >>>>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex >>>>>> >>>>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file >>>>>> support >>>>>> >>>>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2 >>>>>> >>>>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII >>>>>> >>>>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second >>>>>> hand mula >>>>>> >>>>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can >>>>>> add >>>>>> your own >>>>>> >>>>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers >>>>>> and >>>>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments >>>>>> >>>>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do >>>>>> very >>>>>> good synth type sounds >>>>>> >>>>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter >>>>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 >>>>>> and >>>>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this >>>>>> >>>>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 >>>>>> key >>>>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 >>>>>> filter >>>>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod >>>>>> wheel >>>>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hiya, >>>>>> >>>>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad. >>>>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the >>>>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did >>>>>> they >>>>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1? >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital >>>>>>> >>>>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog >>>>>>> filters >>>>>>> and they are warm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and >>>>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res >>>>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital >>>>>>> synths >>>>>>> through it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION >>>>>>> >>>>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter >>>>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this >>>>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the >>>>>>> matrix12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in >>>>>>> fzf >>>>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what >>>>>>> waveshapes you want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg >>>>>>> series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves >>>>>>> lower >>>>>>> you can get very fat sounds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the >>>>>>> dco >>>>>>> of the roland series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune >>>>>>> control >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie. >>>>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without >>>>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to >>>>>>> analogue >>>>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder >>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> his wife bought an Akai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on >>>>>>> match of >>>>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the >>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm >>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog >>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but >>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and >>>>>>>> adding a >>>>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc >>>>>>>> becuase >>>>>>>> you need 7v for that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv >>>>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any >>>>>>>> midi >>>>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch >>>>>>>> envelopes >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other >>>>>>>> creating a >>>>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> wavetables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for slot one and the end slot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and >>>>>>>> atari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> and made it easy for looping >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> like the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i have done all the ppg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the >>>>>>>> ppg >>>>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half >>>>>>>> cycle >>>>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jammie, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to. >>>>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> f**king huge. >>>>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> k3 >>>>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin >>>>>>>>> synthesis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: jammie >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section >>>>>>>>> sounds >>>>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other >>>>>>>>> synth/ >>>>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the >>>>>>>>> Korg >>>>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland >>>>>>>>> samplers >>>>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course. >>>>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive >>>>>>>>> drawing >>>>>>>>> using a slider too. >>>>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one >>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it >>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>> Jaz >>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ , >>>>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a >>>>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed..... >>>>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb? >>>>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology >>>>>>>>>> personally? >>>>>>>>>> i am interested adapting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> >>>>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw >>>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> cant >>>>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image >>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> its a >>>>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the >>>>>>>>>>>> fz20 >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> use the scsi >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins >>>>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m >>>>>>>>>>>> floppies? >>>>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t. >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m , >>>>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 ) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> fz10m >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> charles >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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Re: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
2012-10-26 by Jason Adkins
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