Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I think we are both in trouble I'm going to sit in the naughty corner.

J

On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:31, jammie wrote:

> i was asked a question by a member even if its of topic i answered it
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: charles c
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:58 PM
>  Subject: [CZsynth] Re: casio fz10m
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>  you guys are off topic and what does this have to do with the  
> original thread?
>  charles]
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>  --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>
>> yes the mono tribe is pure analog electronics
>>
>> but descrete analog electronics is the way to go and easy to repair  
>> and get parts for but the use 4-5 times the amount of components  
>> but they are matches better
>>
>> and provide superior sound
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason Adkins
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow Jammie,that was a thorough reply I'm not even going to try and
>> reply or argue with that.
>> My favourite synth at the moment is a Korg Monotribe which I believe
>> is a real analogue monosynth according to the manual it certainly
>> sounds like one in fact I love the thing and only cost me £139 new I
>> have owned Pro-1's sh101/mc202 transendent 2000 tb303 and moog's +
>> others and this is equally nice.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 16:09, jammie wrote:
>>
>>> it was becuase every thing went digital
>>>
>>> the dsm1 was used for the pcm content for the m1 and t series and  
>>> 01w
>>>
>>> they were pure digital machines with no res filter
>>>
>>> the dz7 was to blame for most synths discarding analog filters
>>>
>>> ensoniq was another company they were all analog hybrid filters with
>>> digital osc
>>>
>>> but when cem started to stop manufacture due to the digital synths
>>> and updated poly by digital means to have a 24 32 64 voice poly
>>> synth with analog filters would mean 64 analog filters 64 analog vca
>>>
>>> this would have made the synths to big and the cost was to great
>>>
>>> so all manufacturers made asic chips that could simulate filters
>>>
>>> doing negative feed back in digital properly is very hard for one
>>> thing you need lots of processor power they just never had thing
>>> fast enough
>>>
>>> and you get samples in time delay for feed back
>>>
>>> unlike analog which is zero time as its fed straight to the input
>>>
>>> with digital it all has to be computed the fed back to the begining
>>> which adds latency
>>>
>>> roland did it but it was good but analog it was not
>>>
>>> casio created the first and only hybrid filter being digital control
>>> by cpu and analog audio path
>>>
>>> all other systems they had to use dacs for the cv under cpu control
>>> the sample and hold multiplexers which were digitally controlled and
>>> they would sample the cv volTAGE AT ITS IMPUT OF 5V AND THEN
>>>
>>> the sample and hold would sample the voltage given by the cpu and
>>> hold it in the output this would be sent tothe filters
>>>
>>> this was first done on an 8bit system
>>>
>>> thats why some analog synths that are cpu controlled were a little
>>> steppy
>>>
>>> the later synths like the jx3p and 8p and the matrix12 used 12bit
>>> dacs for the cv control giving better rate but on the matrix 1000 it
>>> was left as 8bits and is very steppy
>>>
>>> for those type of sounds today i use the shruthi which is digital
>>> and a new analog filter
>>>
>>> out of all digital res filters i have used the roland s series
>>> samplers and the kurzweil vast dsp system are the best
>>>
>>> yamaha are not that bad sy99sy77 and the va and later synths
>>>
>>> as for wavetable synthesis using your own wavetables the eps16+/
>>> asr10 ts10/12 are the best and can do way more than the waldorfs can
>>> do
>>>
>>> i own a waldorf wave and a uwave 1
>>>
>>> i have owned a blofeld and a q but i got rid of those as i could do
>>> the sounds on the ensoniqs but bigger more massive sounding
>>>
>>> and with wavetables res filters are no good as you lose the fealing
>>> of the wavetable at high res settings they just become sin waves
>>> losing all the detail of the wavetable
>>>
>>> even on the ppg the patches that used the scanning capability did
>>> not use res
>>>
>>> the res usually was used when just using a single cycle of the table
>>> with no wavetable morph to simulate analog synths that only used  
>>> sin/
>>> tri/square/saw noise waves
>>>
>>> i like the filters on the s3200 with its extra filter board you can
>>> do some neat filter tricks
>>>
>>> i liked this sampler so much i still own 5 of them with 3 having the
>>> 135mb optical drives
>>>
>>> i have 5 asr10 3 keyboards 2 racks
>>>
>>> and 3 s760 samplers and 1 s770 nice dacs on that
>>>
>>> i like the s950 and i have a mpc60 which i use for hardware  
>>> sequencer
>>>
>>> kurzweil k2000sp and k2500 rack
>>>
>>> tx16w
>>>
>>> the 2 dsm1 used mainly for support of the t1 and t3ex
>>>
>>> the dss1x with the usb and the 16mb upgrade with wave file support
>>>
>>> EII/EIII/e6400ultra/emulatorx2
>>>
>>> i have owned a synclavier and a fairlight cmxIII
>>>
>>> but sold both of them ages ago when they were fetching big second
>>> hand mula
>>>
>>> i own a gem s2turbo which is also a good wavetable synthand can add
>>> your own
>>>
>>> being a synth tech i get my hands on so many synths and samplers and
>>> get given stuff that people no longer want as part payments
>>>
>>> the fz1 still has at to play in songs as its gritty and can do very
>>> good synth type sounds
>>>
>>> the alphajuno1/2 the hoover sound was sampled a lot as the filter
>>> and pitch modulation for hoover type sounds was great on the fz1 and
>>> was used by many freinds in the early 80,s for this
>>>
>>> yes the alphajuno could do it but in unison mode you only get 1 key
>>> sampling the unison mode and then putting it through thr fz1 filter
>>> with the pitch and the filter cuttoff modulated with the mod wheel
>>> made it so much fatter with doing chords
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> I know what you mean,but the filters on my S5000 are not too bad.
>>> I'm sure we have probably had this conversation before but if the
>>> DSM-1 had those facilities basically in the first place why did they
>>> release it as it was? It just doesn't make sense unless they didn't
>>> want to take sales away from the DSS-1?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 10:34, jammie wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes but the akai are so clinical digital
>>>>
>>>> even though the dsm1 never had res it did still have analog filters
>>>> and they are warm
>>>>
>>>> i use the dsm1 mainly for pcm creation of samples for the t1 and
>>>> t3ex that i have i have 2 dsm1 1 which i have done the res
>>>> conversion and the external inputs so i can run my digital synths
>>>> through it
>>>>
>>>> AND ONE TOTALLY UNTOUCHED VERSION
>>>>
>>>> we are working on a usb and 16mb upgrade for it with a filter
>>>> upgrade board that will fit in the original pads in sockets this
>>>> will give us res but also we are doing the pole mixing like the
>>>> matrix12
>>>>
>>>> my spectral sound sets can be used on the fz1 ill do a bunch in fzf
>>>> format which you can dump to the synth via midi let me know what
>>>> waveshapes you want
>>>>
>>>> i have the full single cycle waves of each wavetable of the ppg
>>>> series
>>>>
>>>> same for the uwave and the uwavext
>>>>
>>>> i have the 128 wavetable 1/2 of the waldorfq
>>>>
>>>> the waves tables of the esq1 and the vfx range
>>>>
>>>> the prophet vs including my user waves
>>>>
>>>> the kawai k3 k1/k4/
>>>>
>>>> and lots of analog waves sampled from analog synths
>>>>
>>>> by layering them in the fz1 range you can get 4 samples layered  
>>>> with
>>>> 2 note poly to do d50 or prophet vs type patches
>>>>
>>>> and you can do 8 layer unison detuned type sounds using 8 layers by
>>>> layering them and detuning them with a sub osc being 2 octaves  
>>>> lower
>>>> you can get very fat sounds
>>>>
>>>> and i like the analog filter on the fz1 its digitally controlled  
>>>> but
>>>> the audio is pure analog same way the osc are controlled on the dco
>>>> of the roland series
>>>>
>>>> which are pure analog patch with digital clock stable tune control
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You certainly seem to be doing some interesting stuff Jammie.
>>>> I used to have briefly a DSM1,sorry I hated it nowhere near as good
>>>> as
>>>> the DSS-1 no delay's and no analogue filters as standard without
>>>> f**king about with it (I''m no circuit bender sadly) sorry I love  
>>>> the
>>>> digital wave stuff but I'm still a tart when it comes to analogue
>>>> filters and the floppy on the DSM1 was a c**t. no wonder everybody
>>>> and
>>>> his wife bought an Akai.
>>>>
>>>> I think I may have Turbosynth.... also you can do some interesting
>>>> stuff with Steinberg Avalon (Atari again).
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for truncated response my football team Norwich are on  
>>>> match of
>>>> the day in a moment which I want to watch, they beat Arsenal for  
>>>> the
>>>> first time at Carrow Road in 28 years today.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 22:38, jammie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i have loads of 8bit waves for the prophet vs
>>>>>
>>>>> we are working on new pcm cards for the wavestation so in the near
>>>>> future it will be possible to write new pcm data to the pcm card
>>>>>
>>>>> plus they are going to be 2-4mb switched in 512k banks
>>>>>
>>>>> get a dsm1 they are great same additive engine as the dss1 and it
>>>>> has 4 multitimbral so doing prophet vs sounds is easy
>>>>>
>>>>> but with samples so its more like a jd800/jd990 but with analog
>>>>> filters
>>>>>
>>>>> the dsm1 has 16 of the dss1 chips res is tied to ground but easy  
>>>>> to
>>>>> cut a trace add a 100ohm resister for current limiting and  
>>>>> adding a
>>>>> pot to a 5v source this willgive good res but not self osc becuase
>>>>> you need 7v for that
>>>>>
>>>>> i used on one of my dsm1 machines with a doepfer midi to cv
>>>>> controller you get 16 midi cv outputs that can be set up to any  
>>>>> midi
>>>>> cc control they are 0-5 v cv,s
>>>>>
>>>>> the emax uses the same type of system but you have 32 partials but
>>>>> you also get to do them on a table ppg style
>>>>>
>>>>> you choose various additive waveforms on this table then you set
>>>>> volume envelopes for each cycle in the table and pitch envelopes  
>>>>> and
>>>>> the you interpolate from one single cycle to the other creating a
>>>>> spectral variating waveform like as if you were scanning the ppg
>>>>> wavetables
>>>>>
>>>>> the emax then creates this as a multisample and then you loop it  
>>>>> or
>>>>> what ever to get good no clicking loops of this file you need to  
>>>>> use
>>>>> the same single cycle additive waveform
>>>>>
>>>>> for slot one and the end slot
>>>>>
>>>>> the digidesign designed a software program that copied this and it
>>>>> could do it on a mac screen rather than use the tiny lcd
>>>>>
>>>>> it was called softsynth both for mac and atari
>>>>>
>>>>> then they did a better version called turbo synth both mac and  
>>>>> atari
>>>>>
>>>>> i used to use it on the mirage as it did great wavetables like  
>>>>> this
>>>>> and made it easy for looping
>>>>>
>>>>> i create transwaves the same way for ensoniqs as they can sweep  
>>>>> them
>>>>> like the ppg
>>>>>
>>>>> i have done all the ppg
>>>>>
>>>>> the uwaveand wave which has 64 of them which also include the ppg
>>>>> but they sound different becuase the uwave and xt use half cycle
>>>>> waves then they compute the other half as a mirror image
>>>>>
>>>>> which is impossible to do with additive synthesis
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jammie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never used an Emax I think Francis Cote who post's on here
>>>>> has
>>>>> an Emax or 2 so he'd be a good guy to talk to.
>>>>> I'd love a DSS1 again but I havn't got the space now sadly (I used
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep all my gear around a friends house at the time) those things
>>>>> are
>>>>> f**king huge.
>>>>> Can you do a similar trick with a wavestation/prophet VS?
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:33, jammie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> and single cycle waves are the way to go with theses samplers the
>>>>>> k3
>>>>>> k5 k5000 ppg dss1 and the fz1 range all have additive sin  
>>>>>> synthesis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but the neat trick on both the dss1 and the fz range is that you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> link mix the additive waves to create a moving wavetable
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a bit like the emax spectral synth generation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: jammie
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:29 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes you can fit scsi its the card fitted to the fz20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but you need a copy of the scsi floppy access software
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and charlie still needs to get a good working floppy drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the floppy emulator is cheaper than a replacement drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the FZ1/10m/20m is worth the effort the synth section
>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>> superb,my friend used to use that all the time,the only other
>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>> sampler I have used which had the a similar function was the Korg
>>>>>> DSS-1 (just usiing a slider) although there are a few programs  
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Atari which allow you to draw a waveform as does the Roland
>>>>>> samplers
>>>>>> and the Fairlight of course.
>>>>>> I think a PPG and possibly the Kawai K5 could do additive drawing
>>>>>> using a slider too.
>>>>>> I know the FZ10m could be fitted with scsi because I saw one in a
>>>>>> studio in Islington London and I asked the engineer if I could
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> look around the back because he was loading sounds to it from a  
>>>>>> Jaz
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 00:18, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> im sure the technicians will love me $$$ ,
>>>>>>> and by now the prices of a
>>>>>>> shugart to scsi adaptor has sky rocketed.....
>>>>>>> so the raw image is it 1.68 Mb?
>>>>>>> please go on jammie , do you use some of this technology
>>>>>>> personally?
>>>>>>> i am interested adapting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>>>>>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't agree,I think the FZ10m had a scsi option too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2012, at 19:43, jammie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> its the floppy emulator image software that does a raw image  
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> cant
>>>>>>>>> be read by anything except the fz1/fz10/fz20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there is no other programs that can write the floppy image  
>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the floppy becuase its a different speed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only the fz20 had scsi and its useless with out the floppy as
>>>>>>>>> its a
>>>>>>>>> floppy disk access program has to be loaded sop that the fz20
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> use the scsi
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Adkins
>>>>>>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] casio fz10m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't there a PC program that will image FZ1/10m/20m floppies?
>>>>>>>>> Is your FZ10m fitted with SCSI?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2012, at 00:11, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so a little o.t.
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> anybody tell me what drive will work in a fz10m ,
>>>>>>>>>> (cross reference the matsushita ju-255 )
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i can't find suitable drive or a indentical one to repair the
>>>>>>>>>> fz10m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> charles
>>>>>>>>>>
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