Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

On 1 Sep, 2013, at 12:15 AM, jammie wrote:

> really daniel forro who always thinks he is right and likes to  
> corect everybody to his perspective

I know a lot but not everything. I don't think I'm always right. And  
when I correct somebody's mistake it's based on the obvious facts, not  
on my personal opinion. That's a small difference.

>
> do you own an s2 or a fusion if you did you would know

I don't own them. But as I don't like when somebody just say  
something, I like to check info, not just trust to anybody's saying or  
writing. Because my experience is people are often lazy to check  
facts, and just repeat mistakes they read somewhere.

So after reading your statement I downloaded manual for GEM S series  
and  there's written clearly they have SysEx.

> i create ctrlr and sounddiver adaptions
>
> and you cant make sysex editors for these synths
>
> if you read the manuals

That's exactly what I did.

> you would see that they can record and send sysex from there  
> sequencer but that is for other synths

SysEx commands written in S series manual have GEM ID, so it's their  
native data, not just data from other manufacturers recordable and  
playable by internal sequencer.
It's possible that GEM didn't publish detailed MIDI implementation  
with parameter addresses - I know more such cases (for example Yamaha  
PSR9000 Pro, Korg PA80, CX3...). Sometimes it's necessary to ask  
manufacturer and they send it, and sometimes they keep it secret from  
unknown reason. In such case it's necessary to do reverse engineering  
and private research if you need SysEx control. It's quite possible  
that a person with deep knowledge and experience with SysEx can find  
the format. I'm not bad in cryptology and solving similar rebuses...
>
> the fusion cant read sysex for it engine as we tried to make panels  
> and editors for them and even contacted alesis direct for the sysex  
> manual and was told there is not one

That's possible, I don't know this instrument. But if I have it, for  
sure I would try to find secret codes by trial and error, and on the  
base of other known SysEx data formats from the same manufacturer -  
usually they keep the same format for various instruments.

> as some one tried to make a dx7 syx conversion to fusion fm and its  
> impossible the same as people wanted to use the micron sysex and  
> convert to the fusion va and it cant be done as told by alesis them  
> selfs in there q and a section
>
> so before saying they do find out first

I didn't say they do, read carefully my message. I have written "Right  
now I can't remember even simple one without this ability". Slightly  
different meaning, isn't it? I'm not ashamed not to know everything or  
not to be able to remember. There's a lot of other work in my life, I  
haven't enough time and concentration to think about such details  
right now or search relevant info.

> ax80 does not do sysex and there are many others

Yes, that's possible. Thanks for this info, I will check its MIDI  
implementation. And write me please which are those "many others".  
Such vague statements need clarification. I have published two books  
on MIDI (beside more others), such info will help me in writing the  
next one.

> just because you cant think of any does not mean that they dont exist

Of course, that's obvious. And when you read carefully and without  
bias my message you can see clearly I didn't say "they don't exist".  
Don't add to my message what's not there.

Daniel Forro


>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Daniel Forró
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:47 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Sysex and USB MIDI
>
>
>
>
>  On 31 Aug, 2013, at 6:14 PM, jammie wrote:
>
>> some synths never implemented sysex
>
>  Really? Right now I can't remember even simple one without this
>  ability...
>
>> gem s2/s3 never had sysex so front panel editing only the alesis
>> fusion no sysex
>
>  Manual says there is SysEx control and shows lot of SysEx commands...
>>
>>
>> but for blanket preset dumps in find that change it is the quickest
>> utility
>>
>> it has a few synths added with editors
>>
>> but also has a generic conection you add your midi id channel and
>> interface that your cz is attached and add the delay you want and
>> then just open a sysex file and send
>>
>> http://www.mossgrabers.de/Software/ChangeIt/ChangeIt.html
>>
>> this is were the program is
>
>  Only Windows....
>
>  Daniel Forro



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