Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

ok daneil i await your sysex editor for both and myself and others will praise you to the ends of the earth if you can do such a thing as alesis has clearly said no sysex implementation

and i have not managed to get a clrtr panel working for either or an adaption would love to be proved wrong 

as would many others as an editor would make patch creation qucker than diving through menus
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Sysex and USB MIDI


    

  On 1 Sep, 2013, at 12:15 AM, jammie wrote:

  > really daniel forro who always thinks he is right and likes to 
  > corect everybody to his perspective

  I know a lot but not everything. I don't think I'm always right. And 
  when I correct somebody's mistake it's based on the obvious facts, not 
  on my personal opinion. That's a small difference.

  >
  > do you own an s2 or a fusion if you did you would know

  I don't own them. But as I don't like when somebody just say 
  something, I like to check info, not just trust to anybody's saying or 
  writing. Because my experience is people are often lazy to check 
  facts, and just repeat mistakes they read somewhere.

  So after reading your statement I downloaded manual for GEM S series 
  and there's written clearly they have SysEx.

  > i create ctrlr and sounddiver adaptions
  >
  > and you cant make sysex editors for these synths
  >
  > if you read the manuals

  That's exactly what I did.

  > you would see that they can record and send sysex from there 
  > sequencer but that is for other synths

  SysEx commands written in S series manual have GEM ID, so it's their 
  native data, not just data from other manufacturers recordable and 
  playable by internal sequencer.
  It's possible that GEM didn't publish detailed MIDI implementation 
  with parameter addresses - I know more such cases (for example Yamaha 
  PSR9000 Pro, Korg PA80, CX3...). Sometimes it's necessary to ask 
  manufacturer and they send it, and sometimes they keep it secret from 
  unknown reason. In such case it's necessary to do reverse engineering 
  and private research if you need SysEx control. It's quite possible 
  that a person with deep knowledge and experience with SysEx can find 
  the format. I'm not bad in cryptology and solving similar rebuses...
  >
  > the fusion cant read sysex for it engine as we tried to make panels 
  > and editors for them and even contacted alesis direct for the sysex 
  > manual and was told there is not one

  That's possible, I don't know this instrument. But if I have it, for 
  sure I would try to find secret codes by trial and error, and on the 
  base of other known SysEx data formats from the same manufacturer - 
  usually they keep the same format for various instruments.

  > as some one tried to make a dx7 syx conversion to fusion fm and its 
  > impossible the same as people wanted to use the micron sysex and 
  > convert to the fusion va and it cant be done as told by alesis them 
  > selfs in there q and a section
  >
  > so before saying they do find out first

  I didn't say they do, read carefully my message. I have written "Right 
  now I can't remember even simple one without this ability". Slightly 
  different meaning, isn't it? I'm not ashamed not to know everything or 
  not to be able to remember. There's a lot of other work in my life, I 
  haven't enough time and concentration to think about such details 
  right now or search relevant info.

  > ax80 does not do sysex and there are many others

  Yes, that's possible. Thanks for this info, I will check its MIDI 
  implementation. And write me please which are those "many others". 
  Such vague statements need clarification. I have published two books 
  on MIDI (beside more others), such info will help me in writing the 
  next one.

  > just because you cant think of any does not mean that they dont exist

  Of course, that's obvious. And when you read carefully and without 
  bias my message you can see clearly I didn't say "they don't exist". 
  Don't add to my message what's not there.

  Daniel Forro

  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Daniel Forró
  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:47 AM
  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RE: Sysex and USB MIDI
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 31 Aug, 2013, at 6:14 PM, jammie wrote:
  >
  >> some synths never implemented sysex
  >
  > Really? Right now I can't remember even simple one without this
  > ability...
  >
  >> gem s2/s3 never had sysex so front panel editing only the alesis
  >> fusion no sysex
  >
  > Manual says there is SysEx control and shows lot of SysEx commands...
  >>
  >>
  >> but for blanket preset dumps in find that change it is the quickest
  >> utility
  >>
  >> it has a few synths added with editors
  >>
  >> but also has a generic conection you add your midi id channel and
  >> interface that your cz is attached and add the delay you want and
  >> then just open a sysex file and send
  >>
  >> http://www.mossgrabers.de/Software/ChangeIt/ChangeIt.html
  >>
  >> this is were the program is
  >
  > Only Windows....
  >
  > Daniel Forro

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