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Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-29 by euporia420

Hey guys, just joined the list a week or so ago, when I picked up a
beautiful condition CZ-101.  I just saw an add for a CZ1000, and was
wondering if the full sized keys justify me going through the effort
of buying the 1000 and selling the 101 on eBay.  The size of the 101
is pretty sweet, but those mini-keys are annoying as hell, and I
couldn't imagine playing anything acurately during a live performance.
 Maybe that will change with some practice?

Fulls size keys sound nice, but I'm wondering if I should just keep
the 101 and get another keyboard controller in the future.  I
currently use my K5000S as my main controller.  I'm not sure the build
and key quality of the 1000 can really give me a much better
controller than the 101, after all, it's a cheep old synth.  I don't
think Juno's make the best controller either....lol.  Should I keep my
101, and get a nice newer contoller later; or go ahead and replace my
101 with a full sized 1000.

Any suggestions, thanks,
David Beckman

Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-30 by Alan Probandt

Hello,

*** Is it worth it to trade in a CZ-101 for a CZ1000?

>>>>>>>>> No

Why not?

1) Any synthesizer that is sixteen years old is way
behind the curve in terms of its ability to make cool
and interesting sounds.  You're paying for the limited
range of sounds that a 16 year old synth can give. 
You current have every sound possiblity that the CZ
family can give in the CZ101.

2)  Any old piece of consumer electronics will lose
95% of its value after 16 years. It will fall to a
certain price and not much lower.  A synth that cost
$2500 in 1985 and one that cost $250 will both fall to
the same price: $50.  The value of the electronics
goes down, down, down but all of the other costs, such
as shipping, transporting, repairing, ect. go up with
time.

3)   You mentioned that you would be using the CZ1000
primarilly for its large keys.  Allow me to suggest,
get an old, but very high quality MIDI keyboard
controller for the same or slightly more cost than the
CZ1000.  Get something with a professional keyboard
feel (and MIDI velocity sensors on each key (which I
strongly doubt that the CZ1000 has) ).  Research and
ask around about which is the best keyboard controller
on a synth made in the 1980-1990 period and you might
find that they are selling for the same price (when
you include the shipping and repair charges) as the
CZ1000. 
In other words, the value of a synthesizer is
primarily the value of the electronics and then the
value of the keyboard and case.  The price/performance
ratio of the electronics goes up every year (the
sounds keep getting better and cheaper every year as
the electronics improve).

 For the price (selling the 101, buying and shipping
the CZ1000), I suggest getting an old but excellent
quality keyboard and one or two tone modules that are
about five years old.  The more tone modules that you
have (and the more varied they are in their sound
generating techniques), then the more interesting that
you sound in your performances and recordings.  The
better quality keyboard controller that you have
(remember velocity sensors on each key?), then the
better that you play and sound.  

 Don't get tricked into thinking that mediocre
mass-market consumer items like the Casio CZ family
will become collector's items just because they're
old.

Thank you,


--- euporia420 <euporia420@...> wrote:
> Hey guys, just joined the list a week or so ago,
> when I picked up a
> beautiful condition CZ-101.  I just saw an add for a
> CZ1000, and was
> wondering if the full sized keys justify me going
> through the effort
> of buying the 1000 and selling the 101 on eBay.  The
> size of the 101
> is pretty sweet, but those mini-keys are annoying as
> hell, and I
> couldn't imagine playing anything acurately during a
> live performance.
>  Maybe that will change with some practice?
> 
> Fulls size keys sound nice, but I'm wondering if I
> should just keep
> the 101 and get another keyboard controller in the
> future.  I
> currently use my K5000S as my main controller.  I'm
> not sure the build
> and key quality of the 1000 can really give me a
> much better
> controller than the 101, after all, it's a cheep old
> synth.  I don't
> think Juno's make the best controller either....lol.
>  Should I keep my
> 101, and get a nice newer contoller later; or go
> ahead and replace my
> 101 with a full sized 1000.
> 
> Any suggestions, thanks,
> David Beckman
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-30 by Alan Probandt

Hello,

*** Is it worth it to trade in a CZ-101 for a CZ1000?

>>>>>>>>> No

Why not?

1) Any synthesizer that is sixteen years old is way
behind the curve in terms of its ability to make cool
and interesting sounds.  You're paying for the limited
range of sounds that a 16 year old synth can give. 
You current have every sound possiblity that the CZ
family can give in the CZ101.

2)  Any old piece of consumer electronics will lose
95% of its value after 16 years. It will fall to a
certain price and not much lower.  A synth that cost
$2500 in 1985 and one that cost $250 will both fall to
the same price: $50.  The value of the electronics
goes down, down, down but all of the other costs, such
as shipping, transporting, repairing, ect. go up with
time.

3)   You mentioned that you would be using the CZ1000
primarilly for its large keys.  Allow me to suggest,
get an old, but very high quality MIDI keyboard
controller for the same or slightly more cost than the
CZ1000.  Get something with a professional keyboard
feel (and MIDI velocity sensors on each key (which I
strongly doubt that the CZ1000 has) ).  Research and
ask around about which is the best keyboard controller
on a synth made in the 1980-1990 period and you might
find that they are selling for the same price (when
you include the shipping and repair charges) as the
CZ1000. 
In other words, the value of a synthesizer is
primarily the value of the electronics and then the
value of the keyboard and case.  The price/performance
ratio of the electronics goes up every year (the
sounds keep getting better and cheaper every year as
the electronics improve).

 For the price (selling the 101, buying and shipping
the CZ1000), I suggest getting an old but excellent
quality keyboard and one or two tone modules that are
about five years old.  The more tone modules that you
have (and the more varied they are in their sound
generating techniques), then the more interesting that
you sound in your performances and recordings.  The
better quality keyboard controller that you have
(remember velocity sensors on each key?), then the
better that you play and sound.  

 Don't get tricked into thinking that mediocre
mass-market consumer items like the Casio CZ family
will become collector's items just because they're
old.

Thank you,


--- euporia420 <euporia420@...> wrote:
> Hey guys, just joined the list a week or so ago,
> when I picked up a
> beautiful condition CZ-101.  I just saw an add for a
> CZ1000, and was
> wondering if the full sized keys justify me going
> through the effort
> of buying the 1000 and selling the 101 on eBay.  The
> size of the 101
> is pretty sweet, but those mini-keys are annoying as
> hell, and I
> couldn't imagine playing anything acurately during a
> live performance.
>  Maybe that will change with some practice?
> 
> Fulls size keys sound nice, but I'm wondering if I
> should just keep
> the 101 and get another keyboard controller in the
> future.  I
> currently use my K5000S as my main controller.  I'm
> not sure the build
> and key quality of the 1000 can really give me a
> much better
> controller than the 101, after all, it's a cheep old
> synth.  I don't
> think Juno's make the best controller either....lol.
>  Should I keep my
> 101, and get a nice newer contoller later; or go
> ahead and replace my
> 101 with a full sized 1000.
> 
> Any suggestions, thanks,
> David Beckman
> 
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-30 by Simon Beck

For about 10 years I used a CZ-101 both live and in my home studio. For the first 3 years I had no other MIDI equipment and therefore HAD to use the mini keys. Yes, I got used to them (although it was always easier to use for single lines than chords). My setup then was a Hohner Pianet T, a Casio CT-202 with full-size keys and the CZ-101, all held together with Velcro! The Pianet got stolen in 1988, and I replaced it with a Casio CPS-101 electronic (not sampled) piano with MIDI. The first result of this was that I effectively retired the non-MIDI 202, since I could now play the CZ either from the piano or from its own keyboard, using the MIDI send channel as a coupler. In this way I could choose to layer sounds or play the two keyboards separately. If I were you, I'd use your full-size controller as a master keyboard and keep my options open. The ONLY difference between the 101 and the 1000 is the keyboard size. By the way, my CZ-101 died a few years ago and I replaced it with a CZ-1!

Simon Beck
London, UK
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  Hey guys, just joined the list a week or so ago, when I picked up a
  beautiful condition CZ-101.  I just saw an add for a CZ1000, and was
  wondering if the full sized keys justify me going through the effort
  of buying the 1000 and selling the 101 on eBay.  The size of the 101
  is pretty sweet, but those mini-keys are annoying as hell, and I
  couldn't imagine playing anything acurately during a live performance.
  Maybe that will change with some practice?

  Fulls size keys sound nice, but I'm wondering if I should just keep
  the 101 and get another keyboard controller in the future.  I
  currently use my K5000S as my main controller.  I'm not sure the build
  and key quality of the 1000 can really give me a much better
  controller than the 101, after all, it's a cheep old synth.  I don't
  think Juno's make the best controller either....lol.  Should I keep my
  101, and get a nice newer contoller later; or go ahead and replace my
  101 with a full sized 1000.

  Any suggestions, thanks,
  David Beckman



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Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-30 by Andrew Bohachewsky

Funny, my CZ101 makes plenty of cool and interesting sounds... it is 
usually perched on top of my 20 year old Fender Rhodes, maybe that makes a 
difference....

Andy
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>1) Any synthesizer that is sixteen years old is way
>behind the curve in terms of its ability to make cool
>and interesting sounds.

Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-09-30 by Summa

Same here, I still use my CZ-1 every now an then. At least when it comes to PPG 
like digital like stuff, voices, percussions, fx and bass sounds...
I know some newer quite popular softsynths with even less impressive synthesis 
enginges...

...Summa



On 30 Sep 2003 at 9:03, Andrew Bohachewsky wrote:

> Funny, my CZ101 makes plenty of cool and interesting sounds... it is
> usually perched on top of my 20 year old Fender Rhodes, maybe that
> makes a difference....
> 
> Andy
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> >1) Any synthesizer that is sixteen years old is way
> >behind the curve in terms of its ability to make cool
> >and interesting sounds.
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Re: [CZsynth] Have CZ-101, is it worth getting a CZ1000?

2003-10-01 by john w.

I must say that I quite disagree with this whole
"sixteen years old = no good" concept.  A stunning
example (aside from the CZ1000 I use all the time) is
the Moog Prodigy sitting on the top of my keyboard
rack.  Built in 1979 (24 years ago) it hold sooo many
sound that I could not create with any of my new
synths.

yup.

jw

--- Alan Probandt <alan_probandt@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> *** Is it worth it to trade in a CZ-101 for a
> CZ1000?
> 
> >>>>>>>>> No
> 
> Why not?
> 
> 1) Any synthesizer that is sixteen years old is way
> behind the curve in terms of its ability to make
> cool
> and interesting sounds.  You're paying for the
> limited
> range of sounds that a 16 year old synth can give. 
> You current have every sound possiblity that the CZ
> family can give in the CZ101.
> 
> 2)  Any old piece of consumer electronics will lose
> 95% of its value after 16 years. It will fall to a
> certain price and not much lower.  A synth that cost
> $2500 in 1985 and one that cost $250 will both fall
> to
> the same price: $50.  The value of the electronics
> goes down, down, down but all of the other costs,
> such
> as shipping, transporting, repairing, ect. go up
> with
> time.
> 
> 3)   You mentioned that you would be using the
> CZ1000
> primarilly for its large keys.  Allow me to suggest,
> get an old, but very high quality MIDI keyboard
> controller for the same or slightly more cost than
> the
> CZ1000.  Get something with a professional keyboard
> feel (and MIDI velocity sensors on each key (which I
> strongly doubt that the CZ1000 has) ).  Research and
> ask around about which is the best keyboard
> controller
> on a synth made in the 1980-1990 period and you
> might
> find that they are selling for the same price (when
> you include the shipping and repair charges) as the
> CZ1000. 
> In other words, the value of a synthesizer is
> primarily the value of the electronics and then the
> value of the keyboard and case.  The
> price/performance
> ratio of the electronics goes up every year (the
> sounds keep getting better and cheaper every year as
> the electronics improve).
> 
>  For the price (selling the 101, buying and shipping
> the CZ1000), I suggest getting an old but excellent
> quality keyboard and one or two tone modules that
> are
> about five years old.  The more tone modules that
> you
> have (and the more varied they are in their sound
> generating techniques), then the more interesting
> that
> you sound in your performances and recordings.  The
> better quality keyboard controller that you have
> (remember velocity sensors on each key?), then the
> better that you play and sound.  
> 
>  Don't get tricked into thinking that mediocre
> mass-market consumer items like the Casio CZ family
> will become collector's items just because they're
> old.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> --- euporia420 <euporia420@...> wrote:
> > Hey guys, just joined the list a week or so ago,
> > when I picked up a
> > beautiful condition CZ-101.  I just saw an add for
> a
> > CZ1000, and was
> > wondering if the full sized keys justify me going
> > through the effort
> > of buying the 1000 and selling the 101 on eBay. 
> The
> > size of the 101
> > is pretty sweet, but those mini-keys are annoying
> as
> > hell, and I
> > couldn't imagine playing anything acurately during
> a
> > live performance.
> >  Maybe that will change with some practice?
> > 
> > Fulls size keys sound nice, but I'm wondering if I
> > should just keep
> > the 101 and get another keyboard controller in the
> > future.  I
> > currently use my K5000S as my main controller. 
> I'm
> > not sure the build
> > and key quality of the 1000 can really give me a
> > much better
> > controller than the 101, after all, it's a cheep
> old
> > synth.  I don't
> > think Juno's make the best controller
> either....lol.
> >  Should I keep my
> > 101, and get a nice newer contoller later; or go
> > ahead and replace my
> > 101 with a full sized 1000.
> > 
> > Any suggestions, thanks,
> > David Beckman
> > 
> > 
> > 
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