Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hello my friends,

I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?

THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
  Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,


  --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
  > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  > 
  > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
  > 


  maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!

  Peter

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  > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  > > 
  > > Peter
  > > 
  > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power over midi
  > > cable one the best.


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Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?

On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:

> Hello my friends,
> 
> I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
> MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
> 
> THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm 
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
>   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
> 
> 
>   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
>   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
>   > 
>   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
>   > 
> 
> 
>   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
> 
>   Peter
> 
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>   > ---
>   > > 
>   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
>   > > 
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Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to 
the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
i lost some messages.
Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ? 
I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
many files but not the original manual . :(
If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
for the inconvinience !
thanks, Reno

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  From: Summa 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE


  Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?

  On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:

  > Hello my friends,
  > 
  > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
  > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
  > 
  > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm 
  >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
  >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
  > 
  > 
  >   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
  >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  >   > 
  >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
  >   > 
  > 
  > 
  >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
  > 
  >   Peter
  > 
  >   > 
  >   > ---
  >   > > 
  >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  >   > > 
  >   > > Peter
  >   > > 
  >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power over midi
  >   > > cable one the best.
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It's on the files section yes. It's a scan of an old VZ book that isn't avaiable 
anymore, should be an equivalent to the manual, probably even better. 

On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:48, Renô wrote:

> Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to 
> the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
> i lost some messages.
> Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ? 
> I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
> many files but not the original manual . :(
> If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
> for the inconvinience !
> thanks, Reno
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Summa 
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
> 
> 
>   Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?
> 
>   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:
> 
>   > Hello my friends,
>   > 
>   > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
>   > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
>   > 
>   > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm 
>   >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
>   >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
>   >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
>   >   > 
>   >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
>   >   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
>   > 
>   >   Peter
>   > 
>   >   > 
>   >   > ---
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > Peter
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power over midi
>   >   > > cable one the best.
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Ok, thanks ..

so i've already printed it to our synth player ! 

He says that the problem is that those docs always refer to the
digital display that is not available in his VZ-1 ! So it is helpfull,
but not enough.

What he really needs is a list of functions with all combinations
like

A1 - organ (for example)
A2 - strings (just another example)

so he will find easier what he wants instead of keep searching for
all the possible combinations, till he finds a display to buy.

That's it !!!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!

Reno

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  From: Summa 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE


  It's on the files section yes. It's a scan of an old VZ book that isn't avaiable 
  anymore, should be an equivalent to the manual, probably even better. 

  On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:48, Renô wrote:

  > Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to 
  > the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
  > i lost some messages.
  > Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ? 
  > I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
  > many files but not the original manual . :(
  > If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
  > for the inconvinience !
  > thanks, Reno
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Summa 
  >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
  > 
  > 
  >   Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?
  > 
  >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:
  > 
  >   > Hello my friends,
  >   > 
  >   > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
  >   > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
  >   > 
  >   > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
  >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm 
  >   >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  >   >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
  >   >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   >   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
  >   >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
  >   >   > 
  >   > 
  >   > 
  >   >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
  >   > 
  >   >   Peter
  >   > 
  >   >   > 
  >   >   > ---
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > Peter
  >   >   > > 
  >   >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power over midi
  >   >   > > cable one the best.
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Hi, Reno,

I think it will be difficult that someone breaks up his/her original manual 
and scans it... it would take a long time.

But the community will be happy to answer specific questions.

What follows is a list of the patch names for the internal memory (INTERNAL 
key) and the RC100 rom card (CARD key, once for bank A, twice for bank B):

Internal memory
11 VZ EP                51 FUSION LEAD
12 VZ PIANO     52 DISTORTAR FB
13 VZ PIANO 2   53 HEAVY LEAD
14 VZ EP 2      54 VZ PERC PAD
15 VZ EP 3      55 WHINING LEAD
16 GITIANO      56 PIPE LEAD
17 CLAVI                57 SEQ BASS
18 CLAVI 2      58 BASS-SYNTH
21 R/B BRASS    61 RICH ORCH
22 BRASSECTION  62 SERENE ORCH
23 RESO-BRASS   63 DIGIVOICE
24 MELLOW BRASS         64 SPACE ORCH
25 VELO ORCH    65 FLUTE JUICE
26 VZ STRINGS   66 CRYSTAL PAD
27 ORCHESTRA    67 ETHEREAL
28 HORN/STRINGS         68 NEW RAGE
31 VZ TRUMPET   71 SYNBRASSES
32 THE SAX      72 BRASS CHORUS
33 VZ-MONICA    73 BRASS BALLS
34 FLUTE                74 BRASS CHORUS
35 STRINGATTACK         75 PRIMALSCREAM
36 WARM ORGAN   76 VZ TOUCH
37 COOL ORGAN   77 CINEMA
38 PIPE SYNTH   78 CEREMONY
41 VZ BASS      81 VZ VIBES
42 BASS GUITAR  82 VZ VIBES 2
43 FRETLESS BS  83 VIBIANO
44 60S BASS     84 TOI-TOY
45 STEEL STRING         85 VZ MARIMBA
46 NYLON STRING         86 STEEL DRUM
47 HARP                 87 BELLS
48 KOTO                 88 BELL TREE

RC100 ROM card, bank A
11 DYN VZ PIANO         51 SYNTH FLUTE
12 VZ PIANO 3   52 FLUTISH LEAD
13 SHARP VIBES  53 SYNC LEAD
14 VZ VIBES 3   54 LIVE SYNTH
15 MELLOW VIBES         55 DISTORTAR
16 COOL CLAVI   56 DISTORTAR 2
17 HEAVY CLAVI  57 SYNTHLEAD FB
18 CLAVI PIANO  58 HEAVY LEAD 2
21 CZ BRASS     61 PRETTY
22 ANALOG BRASS         62 RICH ORCH 2
23 BRASS LICKS  63 BELL/STRINGS
24 FUNK BRASS   64 BIG ORCH
25 HORN SWELL   65 PASTORALE
26 ORCHESTRA 2  66 TUBIANO
27 PIANO/STRING         67 MIDEASTMARKT
28 SLOPHASESTR  68 ETHNICBREATH
31 JAZZ SAX     71 GEN PURPOSE
32 JAZZ FLUTE   72 PLUCKED ATCK
33 RECORDER     73 PLUCKED ATK2
34 VIOLIN               74 ANALOGUE
35 CELLO                75 DIGIVOICE 2
36 PIPE ORGAN   76 VOICES
37 PIPE ORGAN 2         77 CHAMBER ENS
38 CHURCH ORGAN         78 ETHEREAL 2
41 ACOUSTAR     81 TOI PERCUSS
42 ACOUSTAR 2   82 COWBELL
43 JAZZ GUITAR  83 CHURCH BELL
44 KOTO 2               84 GAMELAN BELL
45 VZ BASS 2    85 TRAIN/BELL
46 DIRTY BASS   86 CAR HORN
47 JAZZ BASS    87 EXPLOSION A
48 WOOD BASS    88 EXPLOSION B

RC100 ROM card, bank B
11 BRIGHT EP    51 GTR LEAD
12 WARM EP      52 GTR LEAD 2
13 MELLOW EP    53 HARMO LEAD
14 DREAMY EP    54 PERCEPTION
15 DIGIPIANO    55 CHORUS
16 DIGIPIANO 2  56 ABOVE CLOUD
17 WARM CLAVI   57 VOICE ENS
18 CLAVICHORD   58 MODEST VOICE
21 BRASSMIX     61 FESTIVAL
22 BRASSMIX 2   62 EMERALD BLUE
23 OVER BRASS X         63 XMAS PIANO
24 BRASS ENS    64 BELL/STRNGS2
25 AFRO BRASS   65 MELLIFLUENCE
26 HIGH STRINGS         66 QUIETUDE
27 LIGHT STRING         67 DELAY MIX
28 SYN STRINGS  68 TEAR DROPS
31 OBOE-FORMIDI         71 ORCHESTRA 3
32 CLA-FOR MIDI         72 BRASTRINGS
33 PAN FLUTE    73 CLAVI-BRASS
34 BRIDAL ORGAN         74 SOFT ENS
35 ORGAN                75 BREATH ATACK
36 ORGAN 2      76 SYNTH PICK
37 CHURCH ORG 2         77 FEINT OF HIT
38 MAZE                 78 SCRATCH
41 FUNK BASS    81 THE NEWS
42 PIANO BASS   82 BELLS 2
43 EP BASS      83 MUSIC BOX
44 SYNTH BASS   84 ETHNIC
45 DISTORTAR 3  85 TASTY MALLET
46 BACKING GTR  86 SYN MARIMBA
47 HAPSICLAVI   87 STEEL DRUM 2
48 KOTO 3               88 INIT VOICE

As you will guess, 11 means A1, 21 means B1, and so on.

This list has been extracted from the file "Alle VZ-Bänke.htm" that I found 
on the web some time ago. There are many more patches available, that could 
be downloaded to the VZ-1 with Steve Gutteridge's vzpatch.exe 
(<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>http://casio.sallyandsteve.com<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>/) 
(haven't you visited that site yet???)

This program - VZpatch - is a must (it's a little inconvenient that it only 
works well with Win95/98).

When you have it running, you *must* check Freds Fee's patches (freds.vz1) 
... those ones really outperform the Casio originals and take the VZ-1 to 
another dimension...

Good luck to you and your band,


pdi







At 15:51 15/06/2004 -0300, you wrote:
>Ok, thanks ..
>
>so i've already printed it to our synth player !
>
>He says that the problem is that those docs always refer to the
>digital display that is not available in his VZ-1 ! So it is helpfull,
>but not enough.
>
>What he really needs is a list of functions with all combinations
>like
>
>A1 - organ (for example)
>A2 - strings (just another example)
>
>so he will find easier what he wants instead of keep searching for
>all the possible combinations, till he finds a display to buy.
>
>That's it !!!
>
>THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!
>
>Reno
>   ----- Original Message -----
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>   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
>
>
>   It's on the files section yes. It's a scan of an old VZ book that isn't 
> avaiable
>   anymore, should be an equivalent to the manual, probably even better..
>
>   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:48, Renô wrote:
>
>   > Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to
>   > the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
>   > i lost some messages.
>   > Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ?
>   > I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
>   > many files but not the original manual . :(
>   > If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
>   > for the inconvinience !
>   > thanks, Reno
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Summa
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>   >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
>   >
>   >
>   >   Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?
>   >
>   >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:
>   >
>   >   > Hello my friends,
>   >   >
>   >   > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
>   >   > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
>   >   >
>   >   > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
>   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm
>   >   >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>   >   >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
>   >   >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
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> <http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm>http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
>   >   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
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>   >   >   > >
>   >   >   > > Peter
>   >   >   > >
>   >   >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power 
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>   >   >   > > cable one the best.
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PDI ... sorry, i don't know your name !

I'm really thanksfull for all these informations you gave and í'll try or make
the synth player try to understand a little bit more about all you explained
here and also the other friends.

This list you sent is a must and will be VERY helpfull, i'm sure !
Again, thank you very much.

best regards from Brasil,

Reno

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ProDigInfo 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE


  Hi, Reno,

  I think it will be difficult that someone breaks up his/her original manual 
  and scans it... it would take a long time.

  But the community will be happy to answer specific questions.

  What follows is a list of the patch names for the internal memory (INTERNAL 
  key) and the RC100 rom card (CARD key, once for bank A, twice for bank B):

  Internal memory
  11 VZ EP                51 FUSION LEAD
  12 VZ PIANO     52 DISTORTAR FB
  13 VZ PIANO 2   53 HEAVY LEAD
  14 VZ EP 2      54 VZ PERC PAD
  15 VZ EP 3      55 WHINING LEAD
  16 GITIANO      56 PIPE LEAD
  17 CLAVI                57 SEQ BASS
  18 CLAVI 2      58 BASS-SYNTH
  21 R/B BRASS    61 RICH ORCH
  22 BRASSECTION  62 SERENE ORCH
  23 RESO-BRASS   63 DIGIVOICE
  24 MELLOW BRASS         64 SPACE ORCH
  25 VELO ORCH    65 FLUTE JUICE
  26 VZ STRINGS   66 CRYSTAL PAD
  27 ORCHESTRA    67 ETHEREAL
  28 HORN/STRINGS         68 NEW RAGE
  31 VZ TRUMPET   71 SYNBRASSES
  32 THE SAX      72 BRASS CHORUS
  33 VZ-MONICA    73 BRASS BALLS
  34 FLUTE                74 BRASS CHORUS
  35 STRINGATTACK         75 PRIMALSCREAM
  36 WARM ORGAN   76 VZ TOUCH
  37 COOL ORGAN   77 CINEMA
  38 PIPE SYNTH   78 CEREMONY
  41 VZ BASS      81 VZ VIBES
  42 BASS GUITAR  82 VZ VIBES 2
  43 FRETLESS BS  83 VIBIANO
  44 60S BASS     84 TOI-TOY
  45 STEEL STRING         85 VZ MARIMBA
  46 NYLON STRING         86 STEEL DRUM
  47 HARP                 87 BELLS
  48 KOTO                 88 BELL TREE

  RC100 ROM card, bank A
  11 DYN VZ PIANO         51 SYNTH FLUTE
  12 VZ PIANO 3   52 FLUTISH LEAD
  13 SHARP VIBES  53 SYNC LEAD
  14 VZ VIBES 3   54 LIVE SYNTH
  15 MELLOW VIBES         55 DISTORTAR
  16 COOL CLAVI   56 DISTORTAR 2
  17 HEAVY CLAVI  57 SYNTHLEAD FB
  18 CLAVI PIANO  58 HEAVY LEAD 2
  21 CZ BRASS     61 PRETTY
  22 ANALOG BRASS         62 RICH ORCH 2
  23 BRASS LICKS  63 BELL/STRINGS
  24 FUNK BRASS   64 BIG ORCH
  25 HORN SWELL   65 PASTORALE
  26 ORCHESTRA 2  66 TUBIANO
  27 PIANO/STRING         67 MIDEASTMARKT
  28 SLOPHASESTR  68 ETHNICBREATH
  31 JAZZ SAX     71 GEN PURPOSE
  32 JAZZ FLUTE   72 PLUCKED ATCK
  33 RECORDER     73 PLUCKED ATK2
  34 VIOLIN               74 ANALOGUE
  35 CELLO                75 DIGIVOICE 2
  36 PIPE ORGAN   76 VOICES
  37 PIPE ORGAN 2         77 CHAMBER ENS
  38 CHURCH ORGAN         78 ETHEREAL 2
  41 ACOUSTAR     81 TOI PERCUSS
  42 ACOUSTAR 2   82 COWBELL
  43 JAZZ GUITAR  83 CHURCH BELL
  44 KOTO 2               84 GAMELAN BELL
  45 VZ BASS 2    85 TRAIN/BELL
  46 DIRTY BASS   86 CAR HORN
  47 JAZZ BASS    87 EXPLOSION A
  48 WOOD BASS    88 EXPLOSION B

  RC100 ROM card, bank B
  11 BRIGHT EP    51 GTR LEAD
  12 WARM EP      52 GTR LEAD 2
  13 MELLOW EP    53 HARMO LEAD
  14 DREAMY EP    54 PERCEPTION
  15 DIGIPIANO    55 CHORUS
  16 DIGIPIANO 2  56 ABOVE CLOUD
  17 WARM CLAVI   57 VOICE ENS
  18 CLAVICHORD   58 MODEST VOICE
  21 BRASSMIX     61 FESTIVAL
  22 BRASSMIX 2   62 EMERALD BLUE
  23 OVER BRASS X         63 XMAS PIANO
  24 BRASS ENS    64 BELL/STRNGS2
  25 AFRO BRASS   65 MELLIFLUENCE
  26 HIGH STRINGS         66 QUIETUDE
  27 LIGHT STRING         67 DELAY MIX
  28 SYN STRINGS  68 TEAR DROPS
  31 OBOE-FORMIDI         71 ORCHESTRA 3
  32 CLA-FOR MIDI         72 BRASTRINGS
  33 PAN FLUTE    73 CLAVI-BRASS
  34 BRIDAL ORGAN         74 SOFT ENS
  35 ORGAN                75 BREATH ATACK
  36 ORGAN 2      76 SYNTH PICK
  37 CHURCH ORG 2         77 FEINT OF HIT
  38 MAZE                 78 SCRATCH
  41 FUNK BASS    81 THE NEWS
  42 PIANO BASS   82 BELLS 2
  43 EP BASS      83 MUSIC BOX
  44 SYNTH BASS   84 ETHNIC
  45 DISTORTAR 3  85 TASTY MALLET
  46 BACKING GTR  86 SYN MARIMBA
  47 HAPSICLAVI   87 STEEL DRUM 2
  48 KOTO 3               88 INIT VOICE

  As you will guess, 11 means A1, 21 means B1, and so on.

  This list has been extracted from the file "Alle VZ-Bänke.htm" that I found 
  on the web some time ago. There are many more patches available, that could 
  be downloaded to the VZ-1 with Steve Gutteridge's vzpatch.exe 
  (<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>http://casio.sallyandsteve.com<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>/) 
  (haven't you visited that site yet???)

  This program - VZpatch - is a must (it's a little inconvenient that it only 
  works well with Win95/98).

  When you have it running, you *must* check Freds Fee's patches (freds.vz1) 
  ... those ones really outperform the Casio originals and take the VZ-1 to 
  another dimension...

  Good luck to you and your band,


  pdi







  At 15:51 15/06/2004 -0300, you wrote:
  >Ok, thanks ..
  >
  >so i've already printed it to our synth player !
  >
  >He says that the problem is that those docs always refer to the
  >digital display that is not available in his VZ-1 ! So it is helpfull,
  >but not enough.
  >
  >What he really needs is a list of functions with all combinations
  >like
  >
  >A1 - organ (for example)
  >A2 - strings (just another example)
  >
  >so he will find easier what he wants instead of keep searching for
  >all the possible combinations, till he finds a display to buy.
  >
  >That's it !!!
  >
  >THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!
  >
  >Reno
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Summa
  >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:25 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
  >
  >
  >   It's on the files section yes. It's a scan of an old VZ book that isn't 
  > avaiable
  >   anymore, should be an equivalent to the manual, probably even better..
  >
  >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:48, Renô wrote:
  >
  >   > Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to
  >   > the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
  >   > i lost some messages.
  >   > Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ?
  >   > I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
  >   > many files but not the original manual . :(
  >   > If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
  >   > for the inconvinience !
  >   > thanks, Reno
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: Summa
  >   >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
  >   >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?
  >   >
  >   >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:
  >   >
  >   >   > Hello my friends,
  >   >   >
  >   >   > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
  >   >   > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
  >   >   >
  >   >   > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm
  >   >   >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >   >   >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
  >   >   >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@y...> wrote:
  >   >   >   > > 
  > <http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm>http://www.chrisandcosey.com/pages/cz_mods.htm
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Peter
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   >
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  >   >   >   > > 
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  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > Peter
  >   >   >   > >
  >   >   >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power 
  > over midi
  >   >   >   > > cable one the best.
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By the way,
i have already visited http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/ more than once and
printed the Service manual (all those gifs) ! It's also helpfull.
thanks again, Reno

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ProDigInfo 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE


  Hi, Reno,

  I think it will be difficult that someone breaks up his/her original manual 
  and scans it... it would take a long time.

  But the community will be happy to answer specific questions.

  What follows is a list of the patch names for the internal memory (INTERNAL 
  key) and the RC100 rom card (CARD key, once for bank A, twice for bank B):

  Internal memory
  11 VZ EP                51 FUSION LEAD
  12 VZ PIANO     52 DISTORTAR FB
  13 VZ PIANO 2   53 HEAVY LEAD
  14 VZ EP 2      54 VZ PERC PAD
  15 VZ EP 3      55 WHINING LEAD
  16 GITIANO      56 PIPE LEAD
  17 CLAVI                57 SEQ BASS
  18 CLAVI 2      58 BASS-SYNTH
  21 R/B BRASS    61 RICH ORCH
  22 BRASSECTION  62 SERENE ORCH
  23 RESO-BRASS   63 DIGIVOICE
  24 MELLOW BRASS         64 SPACE ORCH
  25 VELO ORCH    65 FLUTE JUICE
  26 VZ STRINGS   66 CRYSTAL PAD
  27 ORCHESTRA    67 ETHEREAL
  28 HORN/STRINGS         68 NEW RAGE
  31 VZ TRUMPET   71 SYNBRASSES
  32 THE SAX      72 BRASS CHORUS
  33 VZ-MONICA    73 BRASS BALLS
  34 FLUTE                74 BRASS CHORUS
  35 STRINGATTACK         75 PRIMALSCREAM
  36 WARM ORGAN   76 VZ TOUCH
  37 COOL ORGAN   77 CINEMA
  38 PIPE SYNTH   78 CEREMONY
  41 VZ BASS      81 VZ VIBES
  42 BASS GUITAR  82 VZ VIBES 2
  43 FRETLESS BS  83 VIBIANO
  44 60S BASS     84 TOI-TOY
  45 STEEL STRING         85 VZ MARIMBA
  46 NYLON STRING         86 STEEL DRUM
  47 HARP                 87 BELLS
  48 KOTO                 88 BELL TREE

  RC100 ROM card, bank A
  11 DYN VZ PIANO         51 SYNTH FLUTE
  12 VZ PIANO 3   52 FLUTISH LEAD
  13 SHARP VIBES  53 SYNC LEAD
  14 VZ VIBES 3   54 LIVE SYNTH
  15 MELLOW VIBES         55 DISTORTAR
  16 COOL CLAVI   56 DISTORTAR 2
  17 HEAVY CLAVI  57 SYNTHLEAD FB
  18 CLAVI PIANO  58 HEAVY LEAD 2
  21 CZ BRASS     61 PRETTY
  22 ANALOG BRASS         62 RICH ORCH 2
  23 BRASS LICKS  63 BELL/STRINGS
  24 FUNK BRASS   64 BIG ORCH
  25 HORN SWELL   65 PASTORALE
  26 ORCHESTRA 2  66 TUBIANO
  27 PIANO/STRING         67 MIDEASTMARKT
  28 SLOPHASESTR  68 ETHNICBREATH
  31 JAZZ SAX     71 GEN PURPOSE
  32 JAZZ FLUTE   72 PLUCKED ATCK
  33 RECORDER     73 PLUCKED ATK2
  34 VIOLIN               74 ANALOGUE
  35 CELLO                75 DIGIVOICE 2
  36 PIPE ORGAN   76 VOICES
  37 PIPE ORGAN 2         77 CHAMBER ENS
  38 CHURCH ORGAN         78 ETHEREAL 2
  41 ACOUSTAR     81 TOI PERCUSS
  42 ACOUSTAR 2   82 COWBELL
  43 JAZZ GUITAR  83 CHURCH BELL
  44 KOTO 2               84 GAMELAN BELL
  45 VZ BASS 2    85 TRAIN/BELL
  46 DIRTY BASS   86 CAR HORN
  47 JAZZ BASS    87 EXPLOSION A
  48 WOOD BASS    88 EXPLOSION B

  RC100 ROM card, bank B
  11 BRIGHT EP    51 GTR LEAD
  12 WARM EP      52 GTR LEAD 2
  13 MELLOW EP    53 HARMO LEAD
  14 DREAMY EP    54 PERCEPTION
  15 DIGIPIANO    55 CHORUS
  16 DIGIPIANO 2  56 ABOVE CLOUD
  17 WARM CLAVI   57 VOICE ENS
  18 CLAVICHORD   58 MODEST VOICE
  21 BRASSMIX     61 FESTIVAL
  22 BRASSMIX 2   62 EMERALD BLUE
  23 OVER BRASS X         63 XMAS PIANO
  24 BRASS ENS    64 BELL/STRNGS2
  25 AFRO BRASS   65 MELLIFLUENCE
  26 HIGH STRINGS         66 QUIETUDE
  27 LIGHT STRING         67 DELAY MIX
  28 SYN STRINGS  68 TEAR DROPS
  31 OBOE-FORMIDI         71 ORCHESTRA 3
  32 CLA-FOR MIDI         72 BRASTRINGS
  33 PAN FLUTE    73 CLAVI-BRASS
  34 BRIDAL ORGAN         74 SOFT ENS
  35 ORGAN                75 BREATH ATACK
  36 ORGAN 2      76 SYNTH PICK
  37 CHURCH ORG 2         77 FEINT OF HIT
  38 MAZE                 78 SCRATCH
  41 FUNK BASS    81 THE NEWS
  42 PIANO BASS   82 BELLS 2
  43 EP BASS      83 MUSIC BOX
  44 SYNTH BASS   84 ETHNIC
  45 DISTORTAR 3  85 TASTY MALLET
  46 BACKING GTR  86 SYN MARIMBA
  47 HAPSICLAVI   87 STEEL DRUM 2
  48 KOTO 3               88 INIT VOICE

  As you will guess, 11 means A1, 21 means B1, and so on.

  This list has been extracted from the file "Alle VZ-Bänke.htm" that I found 
  on the web some time ago. There are many more patches available, that could 
  be downloaded to the VZ-1 with Steve Gutteridge's vzpatch.exe 
  (<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>http://casio.sallyandsteve.com<http://casio.sallyandsteve.com/>/) 
  (haven't you visited that site yet???)

  This program - VZpatch - is a must (it's a little inconvenient that it only 
  works well with Win95/98).

  When you have it running, you *must* check Freds Fee's patches (freds.vz1) 
  ... those ones really outperform the Casio originals and take the VZ-1 to 
  another dimension...

  Good luck to you and your band,


  pdi







  At 15:51 15/06/2004 -0300, you wrote:
  >Ok, thanks ..
  >
  >so i've already printed it to our synth player !
  >
  >He says that the problem is that those docs always refer to the
  >digital display that is not available in his VZ-1 ! So it is helpfull,
  >but not enough.
  >
  >What he really needs is a list of functions with all combinations
  >like
  >
  >A1 - organ (for example)
  >A2 - strings (just another example)
  >
  >so he will find easier what he wants instead of keep searching for
  >all the possible combinations, till he finds a display to buy.
  >
  >That's it !!!
  >
  >THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!
  >
  >Reno
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Summa
  >   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:25 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
  >
  >
  >   It's on the files section yes. It's a scan of an old VZ book that isn't 
  > avaiable
  >   anymore, should be an equivalent to the manual, probably even better..
  >
  >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:48, Renô wrote:
  >
  >   > Sorry, i had a problem on an email program and now i changed to
  >   > the outlook express (the other one was the incredimail) and maybe
  >   > i lost some messages.
  >   > Where are those powerplay VZ pdf's ? At the CZsynth yahoo groups files ?
  >   > I downloaded everything from this group, if is that what you mean ! So
  >   > many files but not the original manual . :(
  >   > If it's on another address, could you pls show the way again.. and sorry
  >   > for the inconvinience !
  >   > thanks, Reno
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
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  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:16 PM
  >   >   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] PLEASE
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   Have you tried the powerplay VZ PDF Files as I recommended?
  >   >
  >   >   On 15 Jun 2004 at 13:11, Renô wrote:
  >   >
  >   >   > Hello my friends,
  >   >   >
  >   >   > I REALLY NEED THE ORIGINAL MANUAL FOR THE VZ-1
  >   >   > MODEL ! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND IT ?
  >   >   >
  >   >   > THANKS, RENO FROM BRASIL !!!
  >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm
  >   >   >   To: CZsynth@...m
  >   >   >   Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:56 PM
  >   >   >   Subject: [CZsynth] Re: No Internal Memory.....at all,
  >   >   >
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  >   >   >   > I just wish that had been scanned large enough to read.
  >   >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   maybe its my browser, but I can read it fine... and my eyes suck!
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  >   >   >   > > Tons of other cool mods there as well. I like the power 
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Dear all,

after reading all the postings about the Mellotron patches for CZ-1, I was 
wondering if it would be possible that somebody had something similar for 
the VZ-1.

Alternatively, would there be a possibility to 'translate' a patch 
definition from the CZ architecture to the VZ one? I think they are similar 
'phase distortion' synths, but the VZ has more features... Maybe somebody 
knows some tricks to do that conversion.

There are some excerpts from keyboard geniuses that I would like to emulate 
(think of Tony Banks on Watcher of the Skies)


Thanks!

pdi

Hi pdi,

the VZ architecture is much closer to the DX7 than to the CZ-1, so it would be 
much easier to convert a DX version of that sound...

...Summa


On 28 Jun 2004 at 12:08, ProDigInfo wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> after reading all the postings about the Mellotron patches for CZ-1, I was 
> wondering if it would be possible that somebody had something similar for 
> the VZ-1.
> 
> Alternatively, would there be a possibility to 'translate' a patch 
> definition from the CZ architecture to the VZ one? I think they are similar 
> 'phase distortion' synths, but the VZ has more features... Maybe somebody 
> knows some tricks to do that conversion.
> 
> There are some excerpts from keyboard geniuses that I would like to emulate 
> (think of Tony Banks on Watcher of the Skies)
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> pdi
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hello, Summa,

thanks for your reply.

I've done some search on the net about 'Mellotron', 'patch' and 'DX7', and 
the results are overwhelming... too much to look, not too much time... So I 
guess it could be faster to ask.

I use to play also with NI's superb FM7, so I could enjoy directly the DX7 
patch. Do you (or anybody listening out there) know of a patch collection 
or a site where I can find it? I've browsed the 640 patches collection from 
DX-PEOPLE, compiled by Glenn Scott, but I'm afraid there is nothing there 
about 'tron.

Cheers!


pdi








At 13:33 28/06/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi pdi,
>
>the VZ architecture is much closer to the DX7 than to the CZ-1, so it 
>would be
>much easier to convert a DX version of that sound...
>
>...Summa
>
>
>On 28 Jun 2004 at 12:08, ProDigInfo wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > after reading all the postings about the Mellotron patches for CZ-1, I was
> > wondering if it would be possible that somebody had something similar for
> > the VZ-1.
> >
> > Alternatively, would there be a possibility to 'translate' a patch
> > definition from the CZ architecture to the VZ one? I think they are 
> similar
> > 'phase distortion' synths, but the VZ has more features... Maybe somebody
> > knows some tricks to do that conversion.
> >
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> emulate
> > (think of Tony Banks on Watcher of the Skies)
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > pdi
> >
> >
> >
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Hi, people,

I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I have 
already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and also as a 
master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.

Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life there are 
drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, another 
important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).

So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards for years 
and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also for those 
who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... is it 
worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG 
keyboard on the studio???

By the way, what do you think about the D10?

Thanks for your reflections.

Best regards,


pdi

Yes, yes and thrice, yes! If you want, for example to have a full-keyboard piano sound in a song and play an organ solo halfway through, a single split keyboard just doesn't cut it. Sure, you can overdub the solo, but then you lose the spontaneity. I have a Studiologic SL-880 MIDI keyboard (88 keys, weighted, hammer action) driving an Alesis NanoPiano module, with a Danelectro "Tuna Melt" pedal for electric piano tremolo, and above it a Casio CZ-1 synthesiser (61 keys, synth action) for organ and synth sounds running into a Danelectro "Rocky Road" Leslie simulator. It works well, and you can couple the CZ to the 88-note keyboard via MIDI for layers.

Simon Beck
London, UK
  > ... is it 
  worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG 
  keyboard on the studio???


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Hi,

I don't know since I hardly use synth sounds I haven't programmed myself but I 
would expect to find quite some mellotron sounds for the DX7, maybe named by a 
song title. Since the Mellotron simply using tapes, I still think it would make 
more sense using a sampler...

Here are some melotron samples as download...

http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html

...Summa


On 28 Jun 2004 at 17:04, ProDigInfo wrote:

> Hello, Summa,
> 
> thanks for your reply.
> 
> I've done some search on the net about 'Mellotron', 'patch' and 'DX7', and 
> the results are overwhelming... too much to look, not too much time... So I 
> guess it could be faster to ask.
> 
> I use to play also with NI's superb FM7, so I could enjoy directly the DX7 
> patch. Do you (or anybody listening out there) know of a patch collection 
> or a site where I can find it? I've browsed the 640 patches collection from 
> DX-PEOPLE, compiled by Glenn Scott, but I'm afraid there is nothing there 
> about 'tron.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> pdi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 13:33 28/06/2004 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi pdi,
> >
> >the VZ architecture is much closer to the DX7 than to the CZ-1, so it 
> >would be
> >much easier to convert a DX version of that sound...
> >
> >...Summa
> >
> >
> >On 28 Jun 2004 at 12:08, ProDigInfo wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > after reading all the postings about the Mellotron patches for CZ-1, I was
> > > wondering if it would be possible that somebody had something similar for
> > > the VZ-1.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, would there be a possibility to 'translate' a patch
> > > definition from the CZ architecture to the VZ one? I think they are 
> > similar
> > > 'phase distortion' synths, but the VZ has more features... Maybe somebody
> > > knows some tricks to do that conversion.
> > >
> > > There are some excerpts from keyboard geniuses that I would like to 
> > emulate
> > > (think of Tony Banks on Watcher of the Skies)
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > pdi
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Not for me.
I bought the CZ1 because it's 61 keys + I liked the sound
+ not available in rack and my mW XTk has only 49 keys.
I don't think I'll ever buy a third keyboard...
Regards:
    Darth

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ProDigInfo" <prodiginfo@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Buying a 2nd keyboard... your opinion


> Hi, people,
>
> I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I have
> already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and also as a
> master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.
>
> Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life there are
> drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, another
> important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).
>
> So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards for
years

> and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also for those
> who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... is it
> worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG
> keyboard on the studio???
>
> By the way, what do you think about the D10?
>
> Thanks for your reflections.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> pdi
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I suppose it all depends.  I like collecting vintage keyboards, but because
of the space issue you mentioned, I had to sell most of mine.  I feel
computers are an advantage, but then again, it's nice to play around with
the old analog systems and create your own sounds.  I once had a Maxi-Korg.
It was the same exact keyboard that was used in REO Speedwagon's live
performance of Riding the storm out.  Somehow, it ended up in a music store
a friend of mine owned.  I was able to replicate the same filter sweep you
hear in the first few seconds of the song.  That's probably the one keyboard
I miss the most.   FWIW I just bought a DX7 on Ebay, and it rocks!!  The 'ol
CZ1000 was good for special effects and such, but the DX7 is much more
dynamic.   I've never played the D10, but Roland makes a pretty good
keyboard, it has it's own unique sound.
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Hi, people,

I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I have
already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and also as a
master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.

Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life there are
drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, another
important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).

So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards for years
and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also for those
who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... is it
worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG
keyboard on the studio???

By the way, what do you think about the D10?

Thanks for your reflections.

Best regards,


pdi





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Okay, just to make my previous statement of not buying a third keyboard
I got in the funny situation where somebody proposed me a Kawai K-1
(don't know if it's mkII or not...) for USD.
If somebody could tell me about this synth from user point of view
I would be happy. Also, how "good" is to have a synth with 8 bit D/A
converters....
(btw: nobody could answer my question about the D/A converter bit depth
in Casio CZ-1 ????)
And how special is the sound ? Especially for techno, dnb, break, hip-hop
and
before all AMBIENT music ...
Regards:
    Darth


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Rodenbach" <yooper@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Buying a 2nd keyboard... your opinion


> I suppose it all depends.  I like collecting vintage keyboards, but
because
> of the space issue you mentioned, I had to sell most of mine.  I feel
> computers are an advantage, but then again, it's nice to play around with
> the old analog systems and create your own sounds.  I once had a
Maxi-Korg.
> It was the same exact keyboard that was used in REO Speedwagon's live
> performance of Riding the storm out.  Somehow, it ended up in a music
store
> a friend of mine owned.  I was able to replicate the same filter sweep you
> hear in the first few seconds of the song.  That's probably the one
keyboard
> I miss the most.   FWIW I just bought a DX7 on Ebay, and it rocks!!  The
'ol
> CZ1000 was good for special effects and such, but the DX7 is much more
> dynamic.   I've never played the D10, but Roland makes a pretty good
> keyboard, it has it's own unique sound.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --
>
> Hi, people,
>
> I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I have
> already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and also as a
> master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.
>
> Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life there are
> drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, another
> important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).
>
> So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards for
years

> and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also for those
> who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... is it
> worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG
> keyboard on the studio???
>
> By the way, what do you think about the D10?
>
> Thanks for your reflections.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> pdi
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

The Kawai K-1 is good for pads and ethereal sounds but the comment 
that inevitably comes up about the Kawai K-1 is that it doesn't have 
a filter...not even something similar to the CZ series' DCW envelope 
and key follow.  It all comes down to whether that is an issue for 
you or not.  Call me a traditionalist but I prefer my main synths to 
have some sort of filter or "filter-like" implementation.  e.g. I 
have a Yamaha TG33 and even though there are workarounds to emulate 
filter sweeps, I still feel like something is missing.  It's a nice 
extra synth to have on hand but personally I wouldn't want a 
workhorse synth without a filter.  (I don't count the DX7 as being in 
this category though because you can add and remove harmonics to 
emulate a filter.) [...if you're a better programmer than I am which 
isn't saying much!] 



  --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Darth" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> Okay, just to make my previous statement of not buying a third 
keyboard
> I got in the funny situation where somebody proposed me a Kawai K-1
> (don't know if it's mkII or not...) for USD.
> If somebody could tell me about this synth from user point of view
> I would be happy. Also, how "good" is to have a synth with 8 bit D/A
> converters....
> (btw: nobody could answer my question about the D/A converter bit 
depth
> in Casio CZ-1 ????)
> And how special is the sound ? Especially for techno, dnb, break, 
hip-hop
> and
> before all AMBIENT music ...
> Regards:
>     Darth
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Rodenbach" <yooper@t...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Buying a 2nd keyboard... your opinion
> 
> 
> > I suppose it all depends.  I like collecting vintage keyboards, 
but
> because
> > of the space issue you mentioned, I had to sell most of mine.  I 
feel
> > computers are an advantage, but then again, it's nice to play 
around with
> > the old analog systems and create your own sounds.  I once had a
> Maxi-Korg.
> > It was the same exact keyboard that was used in REO Speedwagon's 
live
> > performance of Riding the storm out.  Somehow, it ended up in a 
music
> store
> > a friend of mine owned.  I was able to replicate the same filter 
sweep you
> > hear in the first few seconds of the song.  That's probably the 
one
> keyboard
> > I miss the most.   FWIW I just bought a DX7 on Ebay, and it 
rocks!!  The
> 'ol
> > CZ1000 was good for special effects and such, but the DX7 is much 
more
> > dynamic.   I've never played the D10, but Roland makes a pretty 
good
> > keyboard, it has it's own unique sound.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> --
> > --
> >
> > Hi, people,
> >
> > I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I 
have
> > already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and 
also as a
> > master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.
> >
> > Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life 
there are
> > drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, 
another
> > important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).
> >
> > So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards 
for
> years
> > and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also 
for those
> > who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... 
is it
> > worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more 
than one BIG

> > keyboard on the studio???
> >
> > By the way, what do you think about the D10?
> >
> > Thanks for your reflections.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > pdi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

As mentioned, I received a DX7 from an online auction, and I've heard
how difficult it is to program.  I got a ton of real good about on the
subject from the person that sold it to me, so I thought I'd give it a try.
Needless to say, I got a few pages in to it and realized it was WAY over my
head!!  And I'm a techy person, who used to own several synths at one time.
But enough of the DX7 talk, this is a CZ list. :)  I'll be posting some of
my homemade patches I made on the CZ1000 here soon, enjoy.


" (I don't count the DX7 as being in
this category though because you can add and remove harmonics to
emulate a filter.) [...if you're a better programmer than I am which
isn't saying much!] "

>So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards for years
>and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also for those
>who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... is it
>worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more than one BIG
>keyboard on the studio???
>
>By the way, what do you think about the D10?

In the interest of keeping things compact, I think it's much better to have 
one keyboard (reasonably versitile, maybe with a sequencer, etc.) and a 
bunch of modules.  I have 3 full-size keyboards right now (well, 3 that 
work- Ensoniq EPS, Keytek CTS-2000, and Casio HT-6000) and I have to say 
that the lack of space presents a bit of a problem.  For me at least, I 
don't think there's much benefit of having two big keyboards (and the midi 
complexity that goes with it) unless you're playing live or something and 
need access to more sounds (or you just want to look cool on stage).

I don't know how well the D-10 works as a controller, but I don't think the 
VZ-1 is the best in that department (nice keyboard, but no local off, if I'm 
not mistaken).

Anyway, as for the D-10, from what I've read, it's not badl, BUT I would 
strongly reccomend the Kawai K4 (or K4m) as an alternative- it's a similar 
package, but more versitile synthesis-wise.

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>Okay, just to make my previous statement of not buying a third keyboard
>I got in the funny situation where somebody proposed me a Kawai K-1
>(don't know if it's mkII or not...) for USD.
>If somebody could tell me about this synth from user point of view
>I would be happy. Also, how "good" is to have a synth with 8 bit D/A
>converters....

I've never had a K1 so I'm just theorizing- but I think it's the waveforms 
in ROM which are 8-bit, not the DAC.  That would just sound too raw, with 
lots of quantization noise.

(actually some things do have 8-bit DACs, but other factors improve the 
sound quality- the ESQ-1 has filters, the Fairlight CMI has a DAC for each 
voice, etc.)

>(btw: nobody could answer my question about the D/A converter bit depth
>in Casio CZ-1 ????)

guess not, I'd be very interested to hear that too..

>And how special is the sound ? Especially for techno, dnb, break, hip-hop
>and
>before all AMBIENT music ...

I've heard it sounds good- the lack of a filter limits it a lot, but 
stacking 4 oscillators per voice gives a lot of depth and motion.

It should also be noted that the K-1 II is a lot different from the K-1:
http://homepage.mac.com/synth_seal/html/gmega.html

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Dear list,

Thanks everybody for your opinions. Simon Beck's reply brings an 
interesting thought: it seems a good idea to have a hammer action, 88 keys 
keyboard to play piano, while having another synth action keyb to play 
synths and organ emulation.

It seems we all love to collect old gear and 'resurrect' those monsters 
(Yamaha DX7, Roland D10/D50, Casio...) from oblivion. After all, they sound 
the same as they did in the late '80s, and they do pack an enormous amount 
of engineering and musicians work and background... you can feel it! But, 
at least in my case, I have no room in my house for a synth museum. I'd 
rather invest in a modern home studio.

For the moment, I think I'll stay with my VZ-1 and wait for an opportunity 
to buy a 88 keys keyboard. IMHO, the VZ-1 has a nice keyboard action, 
professional, not too plastic, and it seems hard like a rock. For me, it is 
enough as a midi controller and it is, of course, a really interesting 
synthesizer.

Best regards,

pdi

Summa,

thanks for the link.

This thread started with an interesting idea: to convert patches from DX7 
to VZ, as opposed to trying to convert from CZ to VZ. There are hundreds of 
patches for the DX7 on the 'net, while not so many for the VZ. It would be 
nice to be able to take those patches, at least as starting points to 
program new ones for the VZ.

Has someone any ideas about that? Does somebody knows both architectures, 
at least to give some clues? How many hours would it take to start with that?

Best regards,


pdi



At 20:02 28/06/2004 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I don't know since I hardly use synth sounds I haven't programmed myself 
>but I
>would expect to find quite some mellotron sounds for the DX7, maybe named 
>by a
>song title. Since the Mellotron simply using tapes, I still think it would 
>make
>more sense using a sampler...
>
>Here are some melotron samples as download...
>
><http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html
>
>...Summa
>
>
>7700aa.jpg


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Hi pdi,

I did a tutorial (VZ-Tutorial.txt) for this. It's in the files section of this 
list, not quite finished and thus probably only interesting for ppl. with FM 
experience...

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/

...Summa


On 29 Jun 2004 at 10:16, ProDigInfo wrote:

> Summa,
> 
> thanks for the link.
> 
> This thread started with an interesting idea: to convert patches from DX7 
> to VZ, as opposed to trying to convert from CZ to VZ. There are hundreds of 
> patches for the DX7 on the 'net, while not so many for the VZ. It would be 
> nice to be able to take those patches, at least as starting points to 
> program new ones for the VZ.
> 
> Has someone any ideas about that? Does somebody knows both architectures, 
> at least to give some clues? How many hours would it take to start with that?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> pdi
> 
> 
> 
> At 20:02 28/06/2004 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I don't know since I hardly use synth sounds I haven't programmed myself 
> >but I
> >would expect to find quite some mellotron sounds for the DX7, maybe named 
> >by a
> >song title. Since the Mellotron simply using tapes, I still think it would 
> >make
> >more sense using a sampler...
> >
> >Here are some melotron samples as download...
> >
> ><http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html
> >
> >...Summa
> >
> >
> >7700aa.jpg
> 
> 
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I second this. I only have two actual keyboards, and a bunch of modules 
(VZ10 being one of 'em). The ergonomics can be a little bit better as you 
can (for example) have the keyboard right in front of you and then a rack 
(or two) on either side within reach. Another plus is if your life 
situation is such that you're moving your place of residence often, it's 
much easier (and better for the gear) to just bundle up the rack instead of 
having to box several keyboards.

Plus a rack full of gear looks really cool in the dark, that warm "Mission 
Control" feeling ;-)


At 07:05 PM 6/28/2004, you wrote:

>In the interest of keeping things compact, I think it's much better to have
>one keyboard (reasonably versitile, maybe with a sequencer, etc.) and a
>bunch of modules.  I have 3 full-size keyboards right now (well, 3 that
>work- Ensoniq EPS, Keytek CTS-2000, and Casio HT-6000) and I have to say
>that the lack of space presents a bit of a problem.  For me at least, I
>don't think there's much benefit of having two big keyboards (and the midi
>complexity that goes with it) unless you're playing live or something and
>need access to more sounds (or you just want to look cool on stage).




------------------------------------------------------------
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  "Complexity is easy; Simplicity is hard."
    -- Edmund Keane
------------------------------------------------------------

(1) With the VZ envelope architecture, it should be possible to 
manually design Mellotron-style patches.
(2) About 10 years ago, I started to explore a software design to 
convert CZ patches to VZ architecture, but
--(a) early on I ran into problems with not being able to modify 
white/pink noise on the VZ, and
--(b) it was more fruitful to recreate/approximate desired patches by 
hand (and more fun to create totally new sounds).
(3) If someone really wants to tackle automation of CZ patches for 
the VZ:
--(a) I would think the first step is to design specifc VZ waveform 
algorithms that approximate the different CZ waveforms.
--(b) The next step could be to standardize all the other VZ 
parameters that have no counterpart on the CZ.
--(c) Then, one might make correlation tables of what VZ values mimic 
CZ values for parameters where there is a counterpart.
--(d) Timbre envelope might be a problem since on the VZ you have to 
do that using the line architecture and the DCAs.

If you have the desire and patience to do all that (assuming my 
methodology is sound), my hat goes off to you.  As time permits, I 
would be willing to add my two cents to the project.

Once the correlations and algorithms are figured out, I might have 
some thoughts on how to (1) parse/disassemble the CZ preset sysex 
file and (2) assemble a VZ preset sysex file.

I think it would be an excellent project given the renewed interest 
in the CZ and VZ sound.  Of course another good project might be to 
develop a conversion process for other ROMpler-based synth engines.

Finally, if anyone has figured out a way to simulate the filtering of 
noise on the VZ so you can do what the CZ architecture can, please 
let me know.

Hope this helps.
--Dr. Steve 

PS: If there are enough people willing to tackle this, tasks could be 
broken up and done piecemeal. For example:
 
--task 1: make a list of parameters with direct counterparts
--task 2: make a list of VZ parameters with no CZ counterpart
--task 3: make a list of CZ parameters with indirect counterparts.
--task 4: design a CZ patch that only uses parameters with a direct 
counterpart in the VZ.
--task 5: design a VZ template that standardizes all parameters.
--task 6: design a standardized speadsheet based on the above.
--task 7: design routines to (a) parse/disassemble and (b) display CZ 
patch sysex file data and (c) convert the data to a csv [or other]
file.
--task 8: design routines to assemble a VZ patch sysex file from a 
data list.
etc.    


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, ProDigInfo <prodiginfo@y...> wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> after reading all the postings about the Mellotron patches for CZ-
1, I was 
> wondering if it would be possible that somebody had something 
similar for 
> the VZ-1.
> 
> Alternatively, would there be a possibility to 'translate' a patch 
> definition from the CZ architecture to the VZ one? I think they are 
similar 
> 'phase distortion' synths, but the VZ has more features... Maybe 
somebody 
> knows some tricks to do that conversion.

I would think that the process I outlined for the CZ-->VZ conversion 
would work well with the DX-->VZ conversion.  I haven't played a DX 
since the late 1980s, but I do have the sysex format in the MIDI 
System Exclusive Book.  As time permits, I can add my two cents to 
this project.

Hope this helps.
--Dr. Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, ProDigInfo <prodiginfo@y...> wrote:
> Summa,
> 
> thanks for the link.
> 
> This thread started with an interesting idea: to convert patches 
from DX7 
> to VZ, as opposed to trying to convert from CZ to VZ. There are 
hundreds of 
> patches for the DX7 on the 'net, while not so many for the VZ. It 
would be 
> nice to be able to take those patches, at least as starting points 
to 
> program new ones for the VZ.
> 
> Has someone any ideas about that? Does somebody knows both 
architectures, 
> at least to give some clues? How many hours would it take to start 
with that?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> pdi
> 
> 
> 
> At 20:02 28/06/2004 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I don't know since I hardly use synth sounds I haven't programmed 
myself 
> >but I
> >would expect to find quite some mellotron sounds for the DX7, 
maybe named 
> >by a
> >song title. Since the Mellotron simply using tapes, I still think 
it would 
> >make
> >more sense using a sampler...
> >
> >Here are some melotron samples as download...
> >
> 
><http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html>http://www.hol
lowsun.com/vintage/mellotron/index.html

> >
> >...Summa
> >
> >
> >7700aa.jpg
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 29 Jun 2004 at 16:45, steve_the_composer wrote:

> (1) With the VZ envelope architecture, it should be possible to 
> manually design Mellotron-style patches.

Not sure what the envelope has to do with this, even so I prefere using multi 
stage envelopes...

> (2) About 10 years ago, I started to explore a software design to 
> convert CZ patches to VZ architecture, but
> --(a) early on I ran into problems with not being able to modify 
> white/pink noise on the VZ, and
> --(b) it was more fruitful to recreate/approximate desired patches by 
> hand (and more fun to create totally new sounds).

Understabdable :-)

> (3) If someone really wants to tackle automation of CZ patches for 
> the VZ:
> --(a) I would think the first step is to design specifc VZ waveform > algorithms that approximate the different CZ waveforms.

Not that complicated except the duo ones, I did this for the FM7 and VAZ Modular 
(not needed anymore since the VAZ now has hardcoded CZ-DCOs), should be easy to 
convert to the VZ as well.
Well, that would be the knowledge I could share for this project, other than that 
I'm pretty busy... 

> --(b) The next step could be to standardize all the other VZ 
> parameters that have no counterpart on the CZ.

Well, the major problem will be CZ parameters that don't have Counterparts on the 
VZ, like the two pitch envelopes. The VZ is imho simply closer to the DX than to 
the CZ...

> --(c) Then, one might make correlation tables of what VZ values mimic 
> CZ values for parameters where there is a counterpart.
> --(d) Timbre envelope might be a problem since on the VZ you have to 
> do that using the line architecture and the DCAs.

Well, another problem will be that the VZ base sound is completely different...

> I think it would be an excellent project given the renewed interest 
> in the CZ and VZ sound.  Of course another good project might be to 
> develop a conversion process for other ROMpler-based synth engines.
> 
> Finally, if anyone has figured out a way to simulate the filtering of 
> noise on the VZ so you can do what the CZ architecture can, please 
> let me know.

I think the noise is the least problem, I hardly did patches using that parameter 
except a few drum sounds...

...Summa


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One important element of the Mellotron is that it is effectively a sampler without loops. You have the attack stage (essential for convincing sounds, as the Roland D-50 proved 20 years later) and the 8-second-maximum sustain/decay stage (depending on the actual instrument recorded), followed by a dead cutoff, tempered only by the possible addition of a reverb unit. There is no release phase, as this is also a dead cutoff. The result is that the Mellotron MAKES you play it in a certain way to cover or exploit its limitations. Reverb helps, but you still can't hold a note for more than 8 seconds, so you tend to stagger note attacks and releases when playing chords, which covers the instantaneous release. Listen to "Days" by the Kinks for a good example of chordal Mellotron "string" playing.

Simon Beck
London, UK

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Summa 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ patch conversion to VZ format


  On 29 Jun 2004 at 16:45, steve_the_composer wrote:

  > (1) With the VZ envelope architecture, it should be possible to 
  > manually design Mellotron-style patches.

  Not sure what the envelope has to do with this, even so I prefere using multi 
  stage envelopes...

  > (2) About 10 years ago, I started to explore a software design to 
  > convert CZ patches to VZ architecture, but
  > --(a) early on I ran into problems with not being able to modify 
  > white/pink noise on the VZ, and
  > --(b) it was more fruitful to recreate/approximate desired patches by 
  > hand (and more fun to create totally new sounds).

  Understabdable :-)

  > (3) If someone really wants to tackle automation of CZ patches for 
  > the VZ:
  > --(a) I would think the first step is to design specifc VZ waveform > algorithms that approximate the different CZ waveforms.

  Not that complicated except the duo ones, I did this for the FM7 and VAZ Modular 
  (not needed anymore since the VAZ now has hardcoded CZ-DCOs), should be easy to 
  convert to the VZ as well.
  Well, that would be the knowledge I could share for this project, other than that 
  I'm pretty busy... 

  > --(b) The next step could be to standardize all the other VZ 
  > parameters that have no counterpart on the CZ.

  Well, the major problem will be CZ parameters that don't have Counterparts on the 
  VZ, like the two pitch envelopes. The VZ is imho simply closer to the DX than to 
  the CZ...

  > --(c) Then, one might make correlation tables of what VZ values mimic 
  > CZ values for parameters where there is a counterpart.
  > --(d) Timbre envelope might be a problem since on the VZ you have to 
  > do that using the line architecture and the DCAs.

  Well, another problem will be that the VZ base sound is completely different...

  > I think it would be an excellent project given the renewed interest 
  > in the CZ and VZ sound.  Of course another good project might be to 
  > develop a conversion process for other ROMpler-based synth engines.
  > 
  > Finally, if anyone has figured out a way to simulate the filtering of 
  > noise on the VZ so you can do what the CZ architecture can, please 
  > let me know.

  I think the noise is the least problem, I hardly did patches using that parameter 
  except a few drum sounds...

  ...Summa


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Great!

This is gettin' hotter for moments!

I'm not very experienced with synths, I'm a newbie on all this stuff. All 
this operators, algorithms, DCOs, DCAs, sound very funny to me, but I still 
have to learn a lot. But I think I could contribute to the community with 
some programming skills.

So, if someone from the list designs a procedure to translate patches, as 
Dr. Steve outlined, I think the tasks could be shared among the community.

I don't know if the VZ series synth can sound like a DX7, but it would be 
nice to try some of the hundreds of patches for the FM architecture that 
are floating around, and see -hear- what happens. Maybe some new, cool 
sound can make our speakers thrill once more.

Best regards,


pdi

No probs on that, here's an AKAI MFC-42 waiting for it :))))
Regards:
    Darth


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Dan" <dxalgorithm18@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Buying a 2nd keyboard... your opinion


> The Kawai K-1 is good for pads and ethereal sounds but the comment 
> that inevitably comes up about the Kawai K-1 is that it doesn't have 
> a filter...not even something similar to the CZ series' DCW envelope 
> and key follow.  It all comes down to whether that is an issue for 
> you or not.  Call me a traditionalist but I prefer my main synths to 
> have some sort of filter or "filter-like" implementation.  e.g. I 
> have a Yamaha TG33 and even though there are workarounds to emulate 
> filter sweeps, I still feel like something is missing.  It's a nice 
> extra synth to have on hand but personally I wouldn't want a 
> workhorse synth without a filter.  (I don't count the DX7 as being in 
> this category though because you can add and remove harmonics to 
> emulate a filter.) [...if you're a better programmer than I am which 
> isn't saying much!] 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Darth" <d_a_r_t_h@g...> wrote:
> > Okay, just to make my previous statement of not buying a third 
> keyboard
> > I got in the funny situation where somebody proposed me a Kawai K-1
> > (don't know if it's mkII or not...) for USD.
> > If somebody could tell me about this synth from user point of view
> > I would be happy. Also, how "good" is to have a synth with 8 bit D/A
> > converters....
> > (btw: nobody could answer my question about the D/A converter bit 
> depth
> > in Casio CZ-1 ????)
> > And how special is the sound ? Especially for techno, dnb, break, 
> hip-hop
> > and
> > before all AMBIENT music ...
> > Regards:
> >     Darth
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Rodenbach" <yooper@t...>
> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Buying a 2nd keyboard... your opinion
> > 
> > 
> > > I suppose it all depends.  I like collecting vintage keyboards, 
> but
> > because
> > > of the space issue you mentioned, I had to sell most of mine.  I 
> feel
> > > computers are an advantage, but then again, it's nice to play 
> around with
> > > the old analog systems and create your own sounds.  I once had a
> > Maxi-Korg.
> > > It was the same exact keyboard that was used in REO Speedwagon's 
> live
> > > performance of Riding the storm out.  Somehow, it ended up in a 
> music
> > store
> > > a friend of mine owned.  I was able to replicate the same filter 
> sweep you
> > > hear in the first few seconds of the song.  That's probably the 
> one
> > keyboard
> > > I miss the most.   FWIW I just bought a DX7 on Ebay, and it 
> rocks!!  The
> > 'ol
> > > CZ1000 was good for special effects and such, but the DX7 is much 
> more
> > > dynamic.   I've never played the D10, but Roland makes a pretty 
> good
> > > keyboard, it has it's own unique sound.
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> > --
> > > --
> > >
> > > Hi, people,
> > >
> > > I have the opportunity to buy a Roland D10, not too expensive. I 
> have
> > > already a Casio VZ-1. I use it mainly for keyboard training and 
> also as a
> > > master keyboard -midi- to play virtual synths.
> > >
> > > Of course, in an ideal world, I wouldn't doubt. But in this life 
> there are
> > > drawbacks. The most important ones are about space. And, sure, 
> another
> > > important one is the SWMBO factor (She Who Must Be Obeyed).
> > >
> > > So, my question is for all of you who have been playing keyboards 
> for
> > years
> > > and have a nice studio and love to play on two manuals, but also 
> for those
> > > who have been obliged to sell their gear for the lack of space... 
> is it
> > > worth, today with computers and vst's and so on, to have more 
> than one BIG
> > > keyboard on the studio???
> > >
> > > By the way, what do you think about the D10?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reflections.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > pdi
> > >
> > >
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