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Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

2004-08-09 by noisykelly2004

Casio CZ 5000 1985
No function,LEDs or LCD display
The only convenient 0V point for the TTL I could 
find was the -ve pin of the ps bridge rectifier. 
No 5V for the TTL. It looks as though the keyboard had been 
dropped as the large electrolytic on the ps had moved and 
consequently the track continuity to the 5V regulator part of 
the ps was broken under the capacitor pin,not obvious at al.
With all 3 connectors unplugged and PA order on main pcb 
not the ps end which is different order.
PA 0,15.3,-16,0,5.6,0,5.2,0,5.2
PC 0,0.03,5.2
PD 0,16,15.3,0,0

I found the above on a website...it sounds almost identical to my 
problem...can anyone spell it out a bit more as to where i should be 
looking for this capacitor pin..as i am no expert in these maters. 
Any help would lift my day.thanks.....
*NK

RE: [CZsynth] Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

2004-08-10 by Scott Nordlund

>Hi everyone,
>This is my first post here. I recently picked up a second hand CZ5000.
>I have been trying to get it working. I noticed that a couple of the
>fuses on the PCB near the power supply in were missing so I have
>replaced those with the correct value and checked the other fuses.
>All the boards seem to be in pretty good shape with no sign of
>missing, broken or fried components. Also the fuse thing on the
>bottom is set to the correct voltage (240V for the UK).
>At the moment when I turn the thing on none of the led's on the
>control surface (including the mod/pitch wheel led) come on and the
>only thing that comes to life is the lcd display which faintly shows
>a row of pixel blocks where presumably the edit parameters and patch
>name should be. If anyone has any speculative ideas about what is
>wrong with the synth I would love to hear them as I am keen to try
>and fix it. Even if you think that it is beyond repair please let me
>know. If it is truly screwed then I will happily take it to pieces
>and send out any spares that anyone here might need ie:
>buttons/switches etc.
>Also what is the battery compartment for on the bottom of the
>synth..is this to save patches in the memory when it's disconnected
>from the mains?
>Thanks for reading this...I'd love to hear from you. *NK

Yes, the battery is for patch memory.

The first thing you do for a broken synth is check all of the connectors to 
make sure they're not loose or corroded and reseat all of the socketed chips 
(carefully), then do a hard reset.  If you can manage, check the power 
supply.  After that it gets a bit more difficult...

>Casio CZ 5000 1985
>No function,LEDs or LCD display
>The only convenient 0V point for the TTL I could
>find was the -ve pin of the ps bridge rectifier.
>No 5V for the TTL. It looks as though the keyboard had been
>dropped as the large electrolytic on the ps had moved and
>consequently the track continuity to the 5V regulator part of
>the ps was broken under the capacitor pin,not obvious at al.
>With all 3 connectors unplugged and PA order on main pcb
>not the ps end which is different order.
>PA 0,15.3,-16,0,5.6,0,5.2,0,5.2
>PC 0,0.03,5.2
>PD 0,16,15.3,0,0
>
>I found the above on a website...it sounds almost identical to my
>problem...can anyone spell it out a bit more as to where i should be
>looking for this capacitor pin..as i am no expert in these maters.
>Any help would lift my day.thanks.....

He's saying..he tested the power supply (using the pin of the bridge 
rectifier as a ground point) and found that there was no +5V supply for the 
digital logic (generally power supplies generate different voltages for 
different parts of the device to use- for example +5V for digital parts, 
+12V, and -12V for analog).  The circuit board trace under the largest 
capacitor was broken.  If you want, you can look on the bottom of the power 
supply board to see if anything is messed up, but as you said there's a line 
on the LCD, I would imagine that the digital circuits are getting power.  
Anyway it's pretty unusual to have a broken trace like that..

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Re: Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

2004-08-10 by noisykelly2004

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Nordlund" <gsn10@h...> wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >This is my first post here. I recently picked up a second hand 
CZ5000.
> >I have been trying to get it working. I noticed that a couple of 
the
> >fuses on the PCB near the power supply in were missing so I have
> >replaced those with the correct value and checked the other fuses.
> >All the boards seem to be in pretty good shape with no sign of
> >missing, broken or fried components. Also the fuse thing on the
> >bottom is set to the correct voltage (240V for the UK).
> >At the moment when I turn the thing on none of the led's on the
> >control surface (including the mod/pitch wheel led) come on and the
> >only thing that comes to life is the lcd display which faintly 
shows
> >a row of pixel blocks where presumably the edit parameters and 
patch
> >name should be. If anyone has any speculative ideas about what is
> >wrong with the synth I would love to hear them as I am keen to try
> >and fix it. Even if you think that it is beyond repair please let 
me
> >know. If it is truly screwed then I will happily take it to pieces
> >and send out any spares that anyone here might need ie:
> >buttons/switches etc.
> >Also what is the battery compartment for on the bottom of the
> >synth..is this to save patches in the memory when it's disconnected
> >from the mains?
> >Thanks for reading this...I'd love to hear from you. *NK
> 
> Yes, the battery is for patch memory.
> 
> The first thing you do for a broken synth is check all of the 
connectors to 
> make sure they're not loose or corroded and reseat all of the 
socketed chips 
> (carefully), then do a hard reset.  If you can manage, check the 
power 
> supply.  After that it gets a bit more difficult...
> 
> >Casio CZ 5000 1985
> >No function,LEDs or LCD display
> >The only convenient 0V point for the TTL I could
> >find was the -ve pin of the ps bridge rectifier.
> >No 5V for the TTL. It looks as though the keyboard had been
> >dropped as the large electrolytic on the ps had moved and
> >consequently the track continuity to the 5V regulator part of
> >the ps was broken under the capacitor pin,not obvious at al.
> >With all 3 connectors unplugged and PA order on main pcb
> >not the ps end which is different order.
> >PA 0,15.3,-16,0,5.6,0,5.2,0,5.2
> >PC 0,0.03,5.2
> >PD 0,16,15.3,0,0
> >
> >I found the above on a website...it sounds almost identical to my
> >problem...can anyone spell it out a bit more as to where i should 
be
> >looking for this capacitor pin..as i am no expert in these maters.
> >Any help would lift my day.thanks.....
> 
> He's saying..he tested the power supply (using the pin of the 
bridge 
> rectifier as a ground point) and found that there was no +5V supply 
for the 
> digital logic (generally power supplies generate different voltages 
for 
> different parts of the device to use- for example +5V for digital 
parts, 
> +12V, and -12V for analog).  The circuit board trace under the 
largest 
> capacitor was broken.  If you want, you can look on the bottom of 
the power 
> supply board to see if anything is messed up, but as you said 
there's a line 
> on the LCD, I would imagine that the digital circuits are getting 
power.  
> Anyway it's pretty unusual to have a broken trace like that..

Thanks for your help Scott...You are right..my CZ probably isn't 
broken the same way as his, but the symptons are pretty close...the 
LCD display on mine is very faint when i power up so maybe the 
digital circuits are not getting enough power..Is there a good 
website anywhere with tips on the basic tests you mention like re-
setting chips and testing components...I have a couple of testers..a 
logic? tester (has a screwdriver tip and two contacts for different 
readings (voltage tests i think). the other has a crocodile clip at 
one end and a probe with a bulb in. As you can tell I am no expert at 
this stuff..would like to know what i'm doing before i start mucking 
around inside that thing and making it more screwed up.
thanks for reading
*NK
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

2004-08-10 by Rocky Rodenbach

Sounds similar to my problem as well.  I need to take the thing apart
one of these days and see if I can do anything with it.  What is the input
voltage requirements for the CZ1000?  I'm using an adaptor that may be
slightly over the voltage that's used, I no longer have the original
adaptor.  I think it's something like 9V.
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Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??


Casio CZ 5000 1985
No function,LEDs or LCD display
The only convenient 0V point for the TTL I could
find was the -ve pin of the ps bridge rectifier.
No 5V for the TTL. It looks as though the keyboard had been
dropped as the large electrolytic on the ps had moved and
consequently the track continuity to the 5V regulator part of
the ps was broken under the capacitor pin,not obvious at al.
With all 3 connectors unplugged and PA order on main pcb
not the ps end which is different order.
PA 0,15.3,-16,0,5.6,0,5.2,0,5.2
PC 0,0.03,5.2
PD 0,16,15.3,0,0

I found the above on a website...it sounds almost identical to my
problem...can anyone spell it out a bit more as to where i should be
looking for this capacitor pin..as i am no expert in these maters.
Any help would lift my day.thanks.....
*NK





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RE: [CZsynth] Re: Broken CZ5000 part 2...can anyone translate this??

2004-08-13 by Scott Nordlund

>Thanks for your help Scott...You are right..my CZ probably isn't
>broken the same way as his, but the symptons are pretty close...the
>LCD display on mine is very faint when i power up so maybe the
>digital circuits are not getting enough power..Is there a good
>website anywhere with tips on the basic tests you mention like re-
>setting chips and testing components...I have a couple of testers..a
>logic? tester (has a screwdriver tip and two contacts for different
>readings (voltage tests i think). the other has a crocodile clip at
>one end and a probe with a bulb in. As you can tell I am no expert at
>this stuff..would like to know what i'm doing before i start mucking
>around inside that thing and making it more screwed up.
>thanks for reading
>*NK

I don't know offhand of any site you can go to for information, but sites 
offering basic electronics knowledge shouldn't be too hard to find.  And you 
can learn as much as you need to...

If you want to do serious testing on it then you need a multimeter (which 
reads voltage, resistance, and various other things depending on how nice a 
model you get).

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