Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Has anyone used a VZ8M with a midi Windcontroller (specifically a Yamaha WX7)?

The VZ8M is supposed to have a "WX mode". What is this? What makes it
particularly suited to being a Windcontroller module?

I have used it with the Casio DH-100. Does the WX7 output aftertouch 
data? If so, the VZ-8m has a few extra sensitivity "S" curves that 
wind players might benefit from. Of course, more recent synths may 
also have S curve controller shaping that would also benefit wind 
players. Hope this helps. --Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jez <jezosaurus@g...> wrote:
> Has anyone used a VZ8M with a midi Windcontroller (specifically a 
Yamaha WX7)?

> 
> The VZ8M is supposed to have a "WX mode". What is this? What makes it
> particularly suited to being a Windcontroller module?

Get yourself a copy of the "Power Play VZ" book. This goes through the
various 
velocity settings and using the VZ8M with wind controllers. I believe a copy
of the book (no longer in print) can be found in the CZ Group files section.
The
book also details programming the VZ series, and is very helpful.

Tim Servo
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein

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From: Jez [mailto:jezosaurus@...] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:12 PM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CZsynth] VZ8M as a WindController module

Has anyone used a VZ8M with a midi Windcontroller (specifically a Yamaha
WX7)?

The VZ8M is supposed to have a "WX mode". What is this? What makes it
particularly suited to being a Windcontroller module?


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Jez,

About an hour ago I posted a message in the wind controller group on 
the emulation issue with special attention to how I have used the 
Casio DH-100 and the ART X-15 foot controller.  I followed that up in 
a separate post with some comments on DHBaily's non-responsiveness to 
your request for info. (That dude was way off base in my opinion.)

Unfortunately, I did not save copies of the posts, and as of a few 
minutes ago, neither of my posts were there. (I hope they weren't 
censored.) My earlier post specifically about the VZ is still there. I 
will repost it here.

--Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jez <jezosaurus@g...> wrote:
> Has anyone used a VZ8M with a midi Windcontroller (specifically a 
Yamaha WX7)?

> 
> The VZ8M is supposed to have a "WX mode". What is this? What makes it
> particularly suited to being a Windcontroller module?

Here's the post to the wind controller group that wasn't censored.
=============================================================

I have been lurking here for a few weeks, but there is much more
discussion than I can handle. It is of interest to me, but I just
don't have the time to devote to it.

I can tell you a little bit about the VZ-8M, having had the unit for
a couple of decades. Over the past year, a few VZ enthusasts have
breathed new life into it with some new patches--available at the CZ-
VZ Yahoo group. The new patches designed by users blow the factory
sounds away. 
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20Sounds/

The VZ synth architecture is like a cross between the Yamaha DX (and
offspring) line and Casio's CZ line. The sounds are definitely bona
fide digitally controlled synth sounds. By today's standards it is
not a rompler with synth samples. For documentation on VZ
programming, see
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/

The CZ/VZ uses iPD -- "interactive Phase Distortion." Basic
waveforms are read from ROM, but the sound shaping devices
(DCO/DCF/DCA on the CZ and the algorithms on the VZ) modify the way
basic wavform(s). Hence, iPD.

The VZ line allows you to create your own algorithm--the arrangement
of the oscilators. There are 8 oscilators per voice which can be set
up in different configurations (mix, ring modulation, and phase
modulation).

The VZ-8m does indeed have a special wind controller mode which
makes the synth engine more suited to wind controller performance.
Most notably, the sensitivity curve of aftertouch data for values 92-
99 are variations of an S curve. (More recent synths may also have S
curve data sensitivities.)

Hope this helps.

Evidently my posts are being censored by the owner of the wind 
controller group. From what I gather, he is a vendor of electronic 
wind instruments and related synth modules. See the plugs for the 
MDT (Morrison Digital Trumpet), approx. $2500.

From that perspective, it makes sense that my comments on the VZ-8m, 
DH-100, etc. got me onto a "must be approved to post" list.

Of course, I may be mistaken--perhaps all posts need to be approved. 
Jez, did you have any problems with your initial post? Do you have 
problems now? Thanks.

Summa, do you know if Yahoo allows commercial vendors to use groups 
primarily a vehicles for promoting their business interests?  Thanks.

--Steve

==============================================
Message sent to windcontrollers group: 

I sent two messages to this group that have not been posted. One was 
on the emulation issue, the other was on the VZ-8m OT issue. This is 
a test to see if my messages are being posted or not. 

Aha!!!!!! I just noticed see that my messages must be approved by 
the group owner before being sent to the group.

=================

Matt, please send me back a copy of the two posts. I spend a lot of 
time on the emulation post and would like to post it elsewhere--
whether you deem it appropriate for your site or not.  Thanks.

i think all posts there have to be approved. my synth mags for sale ad 
didn't make it. too bad as there is windsynth info contained in them. in 
my opinion lists suffer when moderation gets too anal. i didn't even get 
a "sorry, too off topic..." reply. it was the only list that didn't post 
my ad. hey i can understand the need to keep out the nigerian spammers, 
but come on...

shayne

>Message: 8         
>   Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:45:26 -0000
>   From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...>
>Subject: Censorship in the WindController group
>
>Evidently my posts are being censored by the owner of the wind 
>controller group. From what I gather, he is a vendor of electronic 
>wind instruments and related synth modules. See the plugs for the 
>MDT (Morrison Digital Trumpet), approx. $2500.
>
>>From that perspective, it makes sense that my comments on the VZ-8m, 
>DH-100, etc. got me onto a "must be approved to post" list.
>
>Of course, I may be mistaken--perhaps all posts need to be approved. 
>Jez, did you have any problems with your initial post? Do you have 
>problems now? Thanks.
>
>Summa, do you know if Yahoo allows commercial vendors to use groups 
>primarily a vehicles for promoting their business interests?  Thanks.
>
>--Steve
>



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Thanks for the reply.  You may be right.  My messages have now been 
posted there.  Glad I am not lumped in with nigerian spammers and 
nefarious synth mag sellers.  :-)

(Actually, I have a bunch of Keyboard and Electronic Musician mags 
myself that I would glady give to someone for the cost of shipping. 
I would hate to just throw them out.)

--Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Shayne Cafferata <scafferata@s...> 
wrote:
> i think all posts there have to be approved. my synth mags for 
sale ad 
> didn't make it. too bad as there is windsynth info contained in 
them. in 
> my opinion lists suffer when moderation gets too anal. i didn't 
even get 
> a "sorry, too off topic..." reply. it was the only list that 
didn't post 
> my ad. hey i can understand the need to keep out the nigerian 
spammers, 

> but come on...
> 
> shayne

I was about to block it too... ;)

On 21 May 2005 at 10:40, Shayne Cafferata wrote:

> i think all posts there have to be approved. my synth mags for sale ad
> didn't make it. too bad as there is windsynth info contained in them.
> in my opinion lists suffer when moderation gets too anal. i didn't
> even get a "sorry, too off topic..." reply. it was the only list that
> didn't post my ad. hey i can understand the need to keep out the
> nigerian spammers, but come on...
> 
> shayne
> 
> >Message: 8         
> >   Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:45:26 -0000
> >   From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...>
> >Subject: Censorship in the WindController group
> >
> >Evidently my posts are being censored by the owner of the wind 
> >controller group. From what I gather, he is a vendor of electronic
> >wind instruments and related synth modules. See the plugs for the MDT
> >(Morrison Digital Trumpet), approx. $2500.
> >
> >>From that perspective, it makes sense that my comments on the VZ-8m,
> >>
> >DH-100, etc. got me onto a "must be approved to post" list.
> >
> >Of course, I may be mistaken--perhaps all posts need to be approved.
> >Jez, did you have any problems with your initial post? Do you have
> >problems now? Thanks.
> >
> >Summa, do you know if Yahoo allows commercial vendors to use groups
> >primarily a vehicles for promoting their business interests?  Thanks.
> >
> >--Steve
> >
> 
> 
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Thanks for your help Steve. I did appreciate it - it was exactly the
sort of feedback I was looking for.

I find the WindController group quite hard to communicate with. They
seem to be more intererested in blowing their own trumpet than in
synthesis (sorry - couldn't resist that:-).

I'm a synth player looking for control. I'm not a wind player looking
for new sounds, I'm not a pianist or organist - I don't "play"
keyboards or wind instruments - I use a number of different
controllers to "play" synthesizers.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jez <jezosaurus@g...> wrote:
> Thanks for your help Steve. I did appreciate it - it was exactly the
> sort of feedback I was looking for.

It was clear to me, but evidently there;s that long-standing issue 
they have.

> I find the WindController group quite hard to communicate with. They
> seem to be more intererested in blowing their own trumpet than in
> synthesis (sorry - couldn't resist that:-).

I like the word play!!!! BTW, tonight I saw a number of posts that 
were sympathetic to an open philosophy--whatever sound works 
musically. One former emulation advocate even admitted to being more 
accepting of others.

> I'm a synth player looking for control. I'm not a wind player looking
> for new sounds, I'm not a pianist or organist - I don't "play"
> keyboards or wind instruments - I use a number of different
> controllers to "play" synthesizers.