Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hey All!

First of all I'm new here so hi to anybody reading this! Okay, about
a month ago I bought a CZ101 from a guy in a musician's forum. The
synth was sight-unseen by me, I didn't know a thing about Casio
synths, but the price was right and the guy said it worked fine.
Well it does, it looks and works like brand new in fact. I love it!
But here's my issue; Ya know those tiny little keys, their all cute
and funky and everything? Well they drive me nuts! My fingers are
kind of longish (guitar player!) and I have the hardest time playing 
chords on the 101. I know it was probably meant more for leads, but 
I even have trouble with those. Well, the only other synth I have is 
a Yamaha SO3, so I thought I would use it for double duty as a midi
controller for the 101. And it works fine except for one thing; the
SO3 keyboard plays the 101 one note flat. If I play the "f" key on
the SO3, the "e" note sounds on the 101.(B.T.W., in this setup, if I 
play the "f" key on the Casio, the "f" note sounds...wierd,huh?). 
Okay, so I just transposthe Casio one note sharp and problem solved. 
I did it, it worked.But this bugs me so what I'm asking is, does 
anybody know why? Did I set one of the midi settings wrong or what? 
Can I fix it? Even though it will play on key in this setup it still 
bugs the crap outta me, so if anybody has any answers I'd sure 
appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Joe

Hello,

Just one question: Are you sure the problem is in the Casio synth? Could be
possible your S03 has a bad tune -half tone higher-?
In my opinion this seems more possible than a wrong midi meesage or
something similar.

Regards,

Joan M.


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-> De: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com]En nombre de
-> jtbaddog
-> Enviado el: mi\ufffdrcoles, 28 de septiembre de 2005 15:01
-> Para: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
-> Asunto: [CZsynth] Controller ?
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-> Hey All!
->
-> First of all I'm new here so hi to anybody reading this! Okay, about
-> a month ago I bought a CZ101 from a guy in a musician's forum. The
-> synth was sight-unseen by me, I didn't know a thing about Casio
-> synths, but the price was right and the guy said it worked fine.
-> Well it does, it looks and works like brand new in fact. I love it!
-> But here's my issue; Ya know those tiny little keys, their all cute
-> and funky and everything? Well they drive me nuts! My fingers are
-> kind of longish (guitar player!) and I have the hardest time playing
-> chords on the 101. I know it was probably meant more for leads, but
-> I even have trouble with those. Well, the only other synth I have is
-> a Yamaha SO3, so I thought I would use it for double duty as a midi
-> controller for the 101. And it works fine except for one thing; the
-> SO3 keyboard plays the 101 one note flat. If I play the "f" key on
-> the SO3, the "e" note sounds on the 101.(B.T.W., in this setup, if I
-> play the "f" key on the Casio, the "f" note sounds...wierd,huh?).
-> Okay, so I just transposthe Casio one note sharp and problem solved.
-> I did it, it worked.But this bugs me so what I'm asking is, does
-> anybody know why? Did I set one of the midi settings wrong or what?
-> Can I fix it? Even though it will play on key in this setup it still
-> bugs the crap outta me, so if anybody has any answers I'd sure
-> appreciate hearing from you.
->
-> Thanks,
-> Joe
->
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Hi Joe,
 
            One thing that MIGHT be worth looking into is the CZ's
rather vague general tuning buttons.  if you hold either of them down,
the pitch will slowly rise or fall.  perhaps give it a ride up and down
and see if this "resets" it. the other possibility is to check into the
S03 to see if it is sending out a transpose message. thinking about it
now, why don't you try any other keyboard or module you can borrow (or a
friendly music store) and see if the S03 makes the slave keyboard also
play sharp.  You could also try making the CZ the master and the S03 the
slave to see how this affects pitch.  well, just a few thoughts, I've
owned a CZ since '84!!!  -- JGJGJG

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Of jtbaddog
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:01 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CZsynth] Controller ?
 
Hey All!

First of all I'm new here so hi to anybody reading this! Okay, about
a month ago I bought a CZ101 from a guy in a musician's forum. The
synth was sight-unseen by me, I didn't know a thing about Casio
synths, but the price was right and the guy said it worked fine.
Well it does, it looks and works like brand new in fact. I love it!
But here's my issue; Ya know those tiny little keys, their all cute
and funky and everything? Well they drive me nuts! My fingers are
kind of longish (guitar player!) and I have the hardest time playing 
chords on the 101. I know it was probably meant more for leads, but 
I even have trouble with those. Well, the only other synth I have is 
a Yamaha SO3, so I thought I would use it for double duty as a midi
controller for the 101. And it works fine except for one thing; the
SO3 keyboard plays the 101 one note flat. If I play the "f" key on
the SO3, the "e" note sounds on the 101.(B.T.W., in this setup, if I 
play the "f" key on the Casio, the "f" note sounds...wierd,huh?). 
Okay, so I just transposthe Casio one note sharp and problem solved. 
I did it, it worked.But this bugs me so what I'm asking is, does 
anybody know why? Did I set one of the midi settings wrong or what? 
Can I fix it? Even though it will play on key in this setup it still 
bugs the crap outta me, so if anybody has any answers I'd sure 
appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Joe







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I am agreeing with Joan M
.   JGJGJGJG

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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joan Martínez
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:25 PM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Controller ?
 
Hello,

Just one question: Are you sure the problem is in the Casio synth? Could
be
possible your S03 has a bad tune -half tone higher-?
In my opinion this seems more possible than a wrong midi meesage or
something similar.

Regards,

Joan M.


-> -----Mensaje original-----
-> De: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com]En nombre
de
-> jtbaddog
-> Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de septiembre de 2005 15:01
-> Para: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
-> Asunto: [CZsynth] Controller ?
->
->
-> Hey All!
->
-> First of all I'm new here so hi to anybody reading this! Okay, about
-> a month ago I bought a CZ101 from a guy in a musician's forum. The
-> synth was sight-unseen by me, I didn't know a thing about Casio
-> synths, but the price was right and the guy said it worked fine.
-> Well it does, it looks and works like brand new in fact. I love it!
-> But here's my issue; Ya know those tiny little keys, their all cute
-> and funky and everything? Well they drive me nuts! My fingers are
-> kind of longish (guitar player!) and I have the hardest time playing
-> chords on the 101. I know it was probably meant more for leads, but
-> I even have trouble with those. Well, the only other synth I have is
-> a Yamaha SO3, so I thought I would use it for double duty as a midi
-> controller for the 101. And it works fine except for one thing; the
-> SO3 keyboard plays the 101 one note flat. If I play the "f" key on
-> the SO3, the "e" note sounds on the 101.(B.T.W., in this setup, if I
-> play the "f" key on the Casio, the "f" note sounds...wierd,huh?).
-> Okay, so I just transposthe Casio one note sharp and problem solved.
-> I did it, it worked.But this bugs me so what I'm asking is, does
-> anybody know why? Did I set one of the midi settings wrong or what?
-> Can I fix it? Even though it will play on key in this setup it still
-> bugs the crap outta me, so if anybody has any answers I'd sure
-> appreciate hearing from you.
->
-> Thanks,
-> Joe
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
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Hey all !
 
Thanks to all for replying. And thanks Joan, you solved it ! And John G., you helped. It was the SO3 all along. When I first got it, the Yami was my first real synth ( I had/still have a Yami psr-170 keyboard, more about it in a minute) so I didn't know much about keyboard transposition or mastertuning. But I did know right out of the box that the SO3 wasn't in proper tune ! So I read the manual a "little" bit, enough to know to go into "utility" and find master tune, not kbd transpose mind you. Master was set at all 0's, so I ran that sucker up to something like 1034, until it was in tune with my electric guitar tuner, and never thought about it again ! Until I read you guys' advice tonight. First thing I did, as per John's advice, was hook the SO3 to the psr-170. Sure enough, the SO3 played the 170 flat. So thinking of Joan's advice, I dug a little deeper into the SO3's utility mode. There I found "kbd transpose" which was set, apparently from the factory, to +11. So I ran this
 down to +0 and found that the keyboard was now roughly one note sharp. I went to master tune, still right where I put it at 1034 and started running it back down. When I got to exactly zero VIOLA, the keyboard was in perfect tune ! I hooked it back up to the Casio, now transposed to it's proper key of "c" and they matched like twins !
So thank you guys for a job well done ! I opened this subject to get my Casio fixed and ended up getting my Yamaha fixed instead ! You know your stuff. I haven't had the CZ long but I'm really growing attached to the little monster ! And it's great that there's a group like this to come to. Thanks again guys !
 
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Joan Martínez <piniflopa@...> wrote:
Hello,

Just one question: Are you sure the problem is in the Casio synth? Could be
possible your S03 has a bad tune -half tone higher-?
In my opinion this seems more possible than a wrong midi meesage or
something similar.

Regards,

Joan M.


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-> Para: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
 
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