Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi all,

Right, I've had a CZ-1000 sitting here for a few months and done
practically nothing with it.  I find I don't have the patience to
program it as-is, and have had no luck with software
patch-librarians/programmers.

My question is this.  Does anyone here use a controller such as the
Behringer BCR2000 knob box to program patches on their CZ?  Is it even
possible?  Searching back through the archive I see there are some
handshake issues and certain programming info isn't readily supported
in CZ sysex.  *But* BCR has midi-learn.  Can anyone confirm that this
will get around the problem?

Cheers,
-Josh

Hi Josh
The CZ doesn't use MIDI RPN or NRPN for its tone parameter changes but uses
system exclusive tone request and receive messages that are unique to the
CZs. I think it is probably impossible that a MIDI learn option will come up
with the right numbers.
But you don't have the patience to program a CZ?! Come on. They are one of
the simplest digitals to program. Download a manual from somewhere and you
will find that they are p*ss-easy )
/Tim
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Josh" <basicj@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:39 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] The wackiness of CZ sysex


> Hi all,
>
> Right, I've had a CZ-1000 sitting here for a few months and done
> practically nothing with it.  I find I don't have the patience to
> program it as-is, and have had no luck with software
> patch-librarians/programmers.
>
> My question is this.  Does anyone here use a controller such as the
> Behringer BCR2000 knob box to program patches on their CZ?  Is it even
> possible?  Searching back through the archive I see there are some
> handshake issues and certain programming info isn't readily supported
> in CZ sysex.  *But* BCR has midi-learn.  Can anyone confirm that this
> will get around the problem?
>
> Cheers,
> -Josh
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Afaik the complete patch has to be send on every parameter change, 
what makes realtime or knob control via sysex virtually impossible...

On 8 Sep 2007 at 14:16, Tim Stevens wrote:

> Hi Josh
> The CZ doesn't use MIDI RPN or NRPN for its tone parameter changes but uses
> system exclusive tone request and receive messages that are unique to the
> CZs. I think it is probably impossible that a MIDI learn option will come up
> with the right numbers.
> But you don't have the patience to program a CZ?! Come on. They are one of
> the simplest digitals to program. Download a manual from somewhere and you
> will find that they are p*ss-easy )
> /Tim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Josh" <basicj@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:39 AM
> Subject: [CZsynth] The wackiness of CZ sysex
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Right, I've had a CZ-1000 sitting here for a few months and done
> > practically nothing with it.  I find I don't have the patience to
> > program it as-is, and have had no luck with software
> > patch-librarians/programmers.
> >
> > My question is this.  Does anyone here use a controller such as the
> > Behringer BCR2000 knob box to program patches on their CZ?  Is it even
> > possible?  Searching back through the archive I see there are some
> > handshake issues and certain programming info isn't readily supported
> > in CZ sysex.  *But* BCR has midi-learn.  Can anyone confirm that this
> > will get around the problem?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Josh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


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http://www.summasounds.de/

Hi,

Thanks for the replies.  It's not that programming them is hard
per-se, but it is time consuming compared to the analogue & virtual
analogues I'm used to.  Programming a sound is, as you say, easy, but
getting the most out of the three filter envelopes per DCO is a bit of
a chore.  I might come up with an okay sound by manually programming
it, where I could come up with something far greater if I had software
control, where all the parameters are visible at once.  Even if I have
to change paramters then load the entire patch.

Anyway, now that I know, I'll just have to soldier on ;)  I imagine
I'll get used to it.  It does sound nice.

Cheers,
-Josh

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:

>
> Afaik the complete patch has to be send on every parameter change, 
> what makes realtime or knob control via sysex virtually impossible...
>

Josh

I believe that this has been mentioned before, but consider using a
member of the Atari ST family of computers.  There were several CZ
editors that worked GREAT!  Optionally there is software emulation of
the Atari ST family using STEem on a PC
(http://tamw.atari-users.net/steem.htm).  In either case, you can get
several different CZ editors that are now public domain and they are
well worth the time to get.  Check out Tim's Atari MIDI World
(http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm) for a raft of down loadable
software, including the Hybrid Arts CZ editor.

Larry T.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Josh" <basicj@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for the replies.  It's not that programming them is hard
> per-se, but it is time consuming compared to the analogue & virtual
> analogues I'm used to.  Programming a sound is, as you say, easy, but
> getting the most out of the three filter envelopes per DCO is a bit of
> a chore.  I might come up with an okay sound by manually programming
> it, where I could come up with something far greater if I had software
> control, where all the parameters are visible at once.  Even if I have
> to change paramters then load the entire patch.
> 
> Anyway, now that I know, I'll just have to soldier on ;)  I imagine
> I'll get used to it.  It does sound nice.
> 
> Cheers,
> -Josh
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote:
> >
> > Afaik the complete patch has to be send on every parameter change, 
> > what makes realtime or knob control via sysex virtually impossible...
> >
>