MIDI output problem
2008-09-30 by jdcx64
Hi, I'm using the CZ-1 keyboard with other devices via MIDI. Octave up/down on the CZ-1 does not affect the MIDI output notes. How do you guys play the lower/higher octaves via MIDI?
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MIDI output problem
Re: [CZsynth] MIDI output problem
2008-10-01 by Summa
On 30 Sep 2008 at 23:52, jdcx64 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using the CZ-1 keyboard with other devices via MIDI. > Octave up/down on the CZ-1 does not affect the MIDI output notes. How > do you guys play the lower/higher octaves via MIDI? I simply transpose the receiving device ;) MIDI Octave Up/Down is pretty unusual for an 80s Synth... -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-01 by jdcx64
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > I simply transpose the receiving device ;) MIDI Octave Up/Down is > pretty unusual for an 80s Synth... The receiving devices I use do not have MIDI-IN octave up/down (Roland JX-8P, MC-505, Korg MS2000, Garage Band)
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-01 by Summa
On 1 Oct 2008 at 1:59, jdcx64 wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > I simply transpose the receiving device ;) MIDI Octave Up/Down is > > pretty unusual for an 80s Synth... > > The receiving devices I use do not have MIDI-IN octave up/down > (Roland JX-8P, MC-505, Korg MS2000, Garage Band) But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I know for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a microKorg) can do that... Hardly used garage band so far, but Cubase 1.0 from 1989 (ATARI ST) was already able to transpose MIDI notes... -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-01 by jdcx64
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I know > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a microKorg) can > do that... I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another guy on the MC-505 group:
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> The octave up/dwn only work with the 505 keyboard. > If you use an external keyboard, it should have > its own up/down. If not, one way it's to play > (record) normal and then transpose your recording. > > Also, you can play both keyboards, leaving 505 > for the lowest octaves and the external keyboard > for the mid/high ones.
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-01 by Summa
On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I know > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a microKorg) > > can do that... > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another guy > on the MC-505 group: I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a difference to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the part settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-04 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jdcx64" <jdcx64@...> wrote: > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I know > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a microKorg) can > > do that... > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another guy > on the MC-505 group: > Well if you don't like transposing the receiving gear, your only other option is to get a midi patchbay that allows for transposing to be inserted in the MIDI stream, such as the JL Cooper Nexus Plus, MSB+, Roland A800, etc, or run through a computer with MIDI OX doing it for you..
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-04 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@...m, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I know > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a microKorg) > > > can do that... > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another guy > > on the MC-505 group: > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a difference > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the part > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to any receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you would have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck).
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-04 by Summa
Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical and no general question... ;) On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I > know > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > microKorg) > > > > can do that... > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another > guy > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > difference > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the > part > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI > rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to any > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you would > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck). -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-04 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical and no > general question... ;) > Actually it was neither rhetorical nor general. You specifically said that you didn't understand why MIDI transposition would be necessary to a device (in this case, the MC-505) that allows for transposition of its internal sound generator, and I explained why it would be necessary in a particular circumstance. Though why we are discussing MC-505 features here is a question worth pondering. > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their soundgeneration, I > > know > > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > > microKorg) > > > > > can do that... > > > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time octave > > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from another > > guy > > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > > difference > > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the > > part > > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI > > rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to any > > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you would > > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck). > > -- > > CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list > Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-04 by Summa
I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... I just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they don't want alternatives... On 4 Oct 2008 at 22:45, zoinky420 wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical and > no > > general question... ;) > > > > Actually it was neither rhetorical nor general. You specifically said > that you didn't understand why MIDI transposition would be necessary > to a device (in this case, the MC-505) that allows for transposition > of its internal sound generator, and I explained why it would be > necessary in a particular circumstance. Though why we are discussing > MC-505 features here is a question worth pondering. > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their > soundgeneration, I > > > know > > > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > > > microKorg) > > > > > > can do that... > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time > octave > > > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > > > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from > another > > > guy > > > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > > > difference > > > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the > > > part > > > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI > > > rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to > any > > > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you > would > > > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > > > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck). > > > > -- > > > > CZ/VZ mailing list : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth > > FMHeaven mailing list : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ > > FS1R mailing list : > http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list > > Vokator mailing list : > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator > > FM-Synthesis mailing list : > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ > > > > http://www.summasounds.de/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-05 by jdcx64
I think I do need a hardware MIDI transposer. As an example, the first bassdrum patch on the MC-505 is on the B note to the left of the leftmost C on the CZ-1. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:
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> > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... > I just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they > don't want alternatives... > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 22:45, zoinky420 wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical and > > no > > > general question... ;) > > > > > > > Actually it was neither rhetorical nor general. You specifically said > > that you didn't understand why MIDI transposition would be necessary > > to a device (in this case, the MC-505) that allows for transposition > > of its internal sound generator, and I explained why it would be > > necessary in a particular circumstance. Though why we are discussing > > MC-505 features here is a question worth pondering. > > > > > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their > > soundgeneration, I > > > > know > > > > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > > > > microKorg) > > > > > > > can do that... > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time > > octave > > > > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > > > > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from > > another > > > > guy > > > > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > > > > difference > > > > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the > > > > part > > > > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI > > > > rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to > > any > > > > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you > > would > > > > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > > > > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck). > > > > > > -- > > >
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-05 by jdcx64
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "zoinky420" <zoinky420@...> wrote: > (...) > inserted in the MIDI stream, such as the JL Cooper Nexus Plus, MSB+, > Roland A800, etc I couldn't find those on Ebay, any alternatives? > or run through a computer with MIDI OX doing it for > you.. I'd rather not use a computer
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-06 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jdcx64" <jdcx64@...> wrote: > > I think I do need a hardware MIDI transposer. As an example, the first > bassdrum patch on the MC-505 is on the B note to the left of the > leftmost C on the CZ-1. > Actually it sounds like you need a MIDI re-mapper. Transposing will only shift all notes up or down, whereas if you re-map you can surgically change specific notes on various channels. Unfortunately MIDI re-mapping capability is only implimented on expensive gear (and MIDI-OX). Some MIDI footpedal boxes can probably do it, and the JL Cooper Synaapse can, but they rarely come up on Ebay and when they do they sell for over $200. You might be able to get by with transposition, as long as you are clever about it and your sequencing. > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... > > I just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they > > don't want alternatives... > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 22:45, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical and > > > no > > > > general question... ;) > > > > > > > > > > Actually it was neither rhetorical nor general. You specifically said > > > that you didn't understand why MIDI transposition would be necessary > > > to a device (in this case, the MC-505) that allows for transposition > > > of its internal sound generator, and I explained why it would be > > > necessary in a particular circumstance. Though why we are discussing > > > MC-505 features here is a question worth pondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their > > > soundgeneration, I > > > > > know > > > > > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > > > > > microKorg) > > > > > > > > can do that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real- time > > > octave > > > > > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do it, I > > > > > > > couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response from > > > another > > > > > guy > > > > > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > > > > > difference > > > > > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be the > > > > > part > > > > > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the MIDI > > > > > rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that MIDI to > > > any > > > > > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you > > > would > > > > > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > > > > > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of luck).
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Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-06 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jdcx64" <jdcx64@...> wrote: > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "zoinky420" <zoinky420@> wrote: > > (...) > > inserted in the MIDI stream, such as the JL Cooper Nexus Plus, MSB+, > > Roland A800, etc > > I couldn't find those on Ebay, any alternatives? > Those are the only ones I can think of off hand, but pretty much any MIDI switchbox with a processor usually can transpose. Any box with a 'merge' function between two inputs will have a processor. but I would recommend waiting for a Nexus Plus to appear on Ebay, they show up about once a month and in my experience they're the easiest to program, though there is no visual feedback about its settings (you press the transpose button then press keys on the keyboard to set it). It also holds two different transpose settings in memory that you can switch between, and it has some other useful features (channel bump, channel filter). In my opinion anyone with more than few MIDI modules would benefit from one.
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-06 by Summa
The MC-505 can save up to 20 User drumsets, shifting keys shouldn't be a major problem... On 5 Oct 2008 at 18:35, jdcx64 wrote: > I think I do need a hardware MIDI transposer. As an example, the first > bassdrum patch on the MC-505 is on the B note to the left of the > leftmost C on the CZ-1. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... I > > just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they > > don't want alternatives... > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 22:45, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, you might haven't recognised, but this was an rhetorical > > > > and > > > no > > > > general question... ;) > > > > > > > > > > Actually it was neither rhetorical nor general. You specifically > > > said that you didn't understand why MIDI transposition would be > > > necessary to a device (in this case, the MC-505) that allows for > > > transposition of its internal sound generator, and I explained why > > > it would be necessary in a particular circumstance. Though why we > > > are discussing MC-505 features here is a question worth pondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 Oct 2008 at 5:26, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2008 at 10:27, jdcx64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > But most synths are able to transpose their > > > soundgeneration, I > > > > > know > > > > > > > > for sure that MC-505 (I own a D2) and MS2000 (having a > > > > > microKorg) > > > > > > > > can do that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean afterwords note transposing, I mean real-time > > > > > > > > > > octave > > > > > > > shift of the MIDI input. I don't think the MC-505 can do > > > > > > > it, I couldn't find a way to do it and this is a response > > > > > > > from > > > another > > > > > guy > > > > > > > on the MC-505 group: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand, since result wise this doesn't make a > > > > > difference > > > > > > to shift the internal soundgeneration instead. It should be > > > > > > the > > > > > part > > > > > > settings/coarse tune parameter for the MC505... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference, if you are transposing the > > > > > MIDI rather than the receiving device, then you can jack that > > > > > MIDI to > > > any > > > > > receiving device with the correct transposition, otherwise you > > > > > > > > would > > > > > have to transpose each receiving device seperately (and if the > > > > > receiving device has no transpose function, you're out of > > > > > luck). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-06 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... I can't tell if you're trying to say that my argument was well- constructed, or contrived, meaning that it referred to a narrow, and unlikely senario. If the latter is the case, then I suggest that you simply haven't experienced the joys of manipulating MIDI in realtime. A MIDI fader box connected to a MIDI patchbay with a processor in it, inbetween a sequencer and a bank of synthesizers/samplers, is a lot of fun because you can do anything your warped imagination comes up with, immediately before losing inspiration trying to figure out ways around rigid topology. > I just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they > don't want alternatives... > Indeed, so why are you fixed on one particular solution?
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-06 by Summa
On 6 Oct 2008 at 8:58, zoinky420 wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... > > I can't tell if you're trying to say that my argument was well- > constructed, or contrived, meaning that it referred to a narrow, and > unlikely senario. Never occoured to me in almost 25 years and I have plenty of synth here... > If the latter is the case, then I suggest that you > simply haven't experienced the joys of manipulating MIDI in realtime. I don't have problems with your solution, even so I think it's pretty much overkill for a problem you can solve otherwise easily. You're the one who tampered with my rhetorical question. > A MIDI fader box connected to a MIDI patchbay with a processor in it, > inbetween a sequencer and a bank of synthesizers/samplers, is a lot of > fun because you can do anything your warped imagination comes up with, > immediately before losing inspiration trying to figure out ways around > rigid topology. > > > I just think that some ppl. are so fixed in one solution that they > > don't want alternatives... > > > > Indeed, so why are you fixed on one particular solution? Sounds as if you don't think that a good knowledge of the hardware you use is in general helpfull ;) It's not that I aked him to program his own soundset for the MC505 ;) ...Summa -- CZ/VZ mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth FMHeaven mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fmheaven/ FS1R mailing list : http://www.ampfea.org/mailman/listinfo/fss-list Vokator mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vokator FM-Synthesis mailing list : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/fm-synthesis/ http://www.summasounds.de/
Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-07 by zoinky420
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote: > > On 6 Oct 2008 at 8:58, zoinky420 wrote: > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your arguments > > > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in reality... > > > > I can't tell if you're trying to say that my argument was well- > > constructed, or contrived, meaning that it referred to a narrow, and > > unlikely senario. > > Never occoured to me in almost 25 years and I have plenty of synth > here... > Well it never occured to me in 15 years until recently mainly because I could not afford the hardware. Nowadays people are ditching all their old MIDI gear cheaply for all-in-the-box software studios. Personally, I don't understand the appeal of turning your studio into something that resembles an office. Now that I can pick up all this old MIDI hardware cheaply, I have a gas chaining it all up and running wild. I mean, I could mix all my audio with a mouse, too, but why use a control surface with faders instead, since that is far more enjoyable. The other day I was adding up what all my gear would have cost 15 years ago (excluding computers that didn't exist then), and it came out to over $50,000. To me that's pretty exciting, because I never could afford anything like that. I've spent around $3000 over the past 15 years on music gear, and that represents most of my income over that period, minus food and shelter. Anyway, I digress, but my point is that there are often many ways to solve a problem, and when doing so the two most important factors in my opinion are cost and enjoyment. Often the most enjoyable solution is the most expensive, and often too expensive. But when it isn't too expensive, I say opt for the most enjoyable solution! > > Sounds as if you don't think that a good knowledge of the hardware > you use is in general helpfull ;) > It's not that I aked him to program his own soundset for the MC505 ;) > > Well if he chooses to add an external MIDI box to transpose with he'll have added another piece of gear to figure out, with more options, thus increasing complexity of the overall system. I really doubt anyone would choose a more complex solution because of being too lazy to employ an simpler solution. The reason someone would choose a more complex solution would be due to an anticipation of greater productivity with the more complex solution, by utilizing processes that would not be available if the simpler solution to the original problem were employed. Quantifying the benefit of something that hasn't been experienced is a dilemma the anaylsis of which is currently in vogue in certain circles. This would be related to the decision analysis concept of known unknowns and unknown unknowns, so really what I'm saying here is that it would be better to buy MIDI gear than to invade Iraq, if you had to choose between the two.
Re: [CZsynth] Re: MIDI output problem
2008-10-07 by jeff bornhoeft
"This would be related to the decision analysis concept of known unknowns and unknown unknowns, so really what I'm saying here is that it would be better to buy MIDI gear than to invade Iraq, if you had to choose between the two." ^^ absolutely hilarious, and spot on! On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:19 AM, zoinky420 <zoinky420@...> wrote: > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>, "Summa" > <flotorian@...> wrote: > > > > On 6 Oct 2008 at 8:58, zoinky420 wrote: > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>, "Summa" > <flotorian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see a problem to tamper/pondering with and your > arguments > > > > seemd pretty constructed to me, never occured to me in > reality... > > > > > > I can't tell if you're trying to say that my argument was well- > > > constructed, or contrived, meaning that it referred to a narrow, > and > > > unlikely senario. > > > > Never occoured to me in almost 25 years and I have plenty of synth > > here... > > > > Well it never occured to me in 15 years until recently mainly because > I could not afford the hardware. Nowadays people are ditching all > their old MIDI gear cheaply for all-in-the-box software studios. > Personally, I don't understand the appeal of turning your studio into > something that resembles an office. Now that I can pick up all this > old MIDI hardware cheaply, I have a gas chaining it all up and > running wild. I mean, I could mix all my audio with a mouse, too, > but why use a control surface with faders instead, since that is far > more enjoyable. The other day I was adding up what all my gear would > have cost 15 years ago (excluding computers that didn't exist then), > and it came out to over $50,000. To me that's pretty exciting, > because I never could afford anything like that. I've spent around > $3000 over the past 15 years on music gear, and that represents most > of my income over that period, minus food and shelter. Anyway, I > digress, but my point is that there are often many ways to solve a > problem, and when doing so the two most important factors in my > opinion are cost and enjoyment. Often the most enjoyable solution is > the most expensive, and often too expensive. But when it isn't too > expensive, I say opt for the most enjoyable solution! > > > > > Sounds as if you don't think that a good knowledge of the hardware > > you use is in general helpfull ;) > > It's not that I aked him to program his own soundset for the > MC505 ;) > > > > > > Well if he chooses to add an external MIDI box to transpose with > he'll have added another piece of gear to figure out, with more > options, thus increasing complexity of the overall system. I really > doubt anyone would choose a more complex solution because of being > too lazy to employ an simpler solution. The reason someone would > choose a more complex solution would be due to an anticipation of > greater productivity with the more complex solution, by utilizing > processes that would not be available if the simpler solution to the > original problem were employed. Quantifying the benefit of something > that hasn't been experienced is a dilemma the anaylsis of which is > currently in vogue in certain circles. This would be related to the > decision analysis concept of known unknowns and unknown unknowns, so > really what I'm saying here is that it would be better to buy MIDI > gear than to invade Iraq, if you had to choose between the two. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]