Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm selling my CZ-1 and VZ-8m. I've already put the CZ-1 with an RA-6 cart up on craigslist, but I figured I'd let everyone here get a crack at the VZ-8m before I list it (I'm still keeping my VZ-10m though!)
Please E-mail me privately if you're interested.

Thanks!!
Troy

Hi CZ-fellows,
 
 
Just wanna ask some really simple questions. I own a CZ-1000 but plan to acquire 
this year one of its bigger brothers, too. Soooo...

 
1. Does the CZ-1000 has got an internal backup-battery, in order to keep the oversaved "internal" patches? I noticed, that my gear even "forgets" the internals....
 
2. Does the RA-3 fits all the CZ-s? How many patches can be stored into this in case of the:
CZ-1000
CZ-3000
CZ-5000
CZ-1?
 
3. Taking out the sequencer of the CZ-5000, the aftertouch keyboard and the extra memory of the CZ-1, can we state, that the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 & CZ-1 are basically the 
same synths?
 
4. Are the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 and CZ-1 multitimbral?
 
5. Has anybody got any idea/suggestion how can I make my CZ-1000 respond to a sustain pedal? I tried this thru another keyboard (via midi) but the CZ-1000 didn't delivered the desired effect (which of course all my other synths do in such manner). Being sad about this :(
 
6. There are some hard to find mystical CZ/PD synthesis books out. Any sharing suggestion, any offer, guys?
 
7. And the last silly one :) Pictures on the web are inexact in this way, so:
Is the CZ-3000 black-colored?
Is the CZ-5000 black or gray-colored ?
Is the CZ-1 black-colored?
 
Thanks for paying attention to these boring questions of a CZ-newbie :)
 
Have a fine new year full of nice synthesis :)
Yours truly, 
Y


      

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Hello Ye Di:

 

I only have a CZ-5000 so I just can give you some answers to your questions:

 

1- The CZ-5000 has a patch backup power, thanks to 3 AA batteries. They are
not rechargeable, but they last for years (not just 1 year as specified in
the specs). Just check them sometimes to avoid leaking!

 

2- Yes, the RA-3 cartridge can be used with the CZ-5000. It can store 32
patches. But remember that you cannot access the cartridge patches directly,
you must load them in the "memory" patches (16 patches at a time, not
individually), replacing the actual ones in the memory. I do not think it is
a good way to store patches, unless you have several cartridges.

I had no luck using CZ editors, so I save the patches to my old PC via
MidiOx and sysex messages. Thanks to "Summa", who explained me years ago how
to deal with those sysex.

 

3- I do not know the CZ-1, but you are right: CZ-3000 and CZ-5000 are
identical if you forget the sequencer. And the sequencer is VERY poor.
Unless you are an absolute beginner, do not pay more for a 5000 if you can
find a   3000 cheaper.

 

4- The CZ-5000 is multi-timbral, but remeber that poliphony is only 16
voices. If you remember that most patches use 2 voices, you have only 8
voices to share in multi-timbral mode. You can assign the number of voices
(poliphony) for each channel.

 

5- Sorry but I have no answer. The CZ-5000 has specific connectors for a
sustain pedal and a foot volume pedal.

 

6- Please check the old messages in the Group. There was a link to a PDF
version of the little book supplied with the CZ titled "A quick approach to
sound synthesis". It is just some 20 pages explaining the basics of PD
synthesis. I have the original book in english / spanish, but I think it is
still sold by some web shops, and I wouldn't like to disturb anyone's
business. Please correct me if the book has become "free" and I can make a
copy.

 

7- The CZ-5000 cover is made in a very dark grey, practically black color.

 

Hope the answers may help you.

Happy new year !

 

Alfons

 

  _____  

De: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de YE
DI
Enviado el: domingo, 03 de enero de 2010 11:28
Para: czseries@yahoogroups.com; CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [CZsynth] Some very simple CZ-related questions :)

 

  

Hi CZ-fellows,
 
 
Just wanna ask some really simple questions. I own a CZ-1000 but plan to
acquire 
this year one of its bigger brothers, too. Soooo...

 
1. Does the CZ-1000 has got an internal backup-battery, in order to keep the
oversaved "internal" patches? I noticed, that my gear even "forgets" the
internals....
 
2. Does the RA-3 fits all the CZ-s? How many patches can be stored into this
in case of the:
CZ-1000
CZ-3000
CZ-5000
CZ-1?
 
3. Taking out the sequencer of the CZ-5000, the aftertouch keyboard and the
extra memory of the CZ-1, can we state, that the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 & CZ-1 are
basically the 
same synths?
 
4. Are the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 and CZ-1 multitimbral?
 
5. Has anybody got any idea/suggestion how can I make my CZ-1000 respond to
a sustain pedal? I tried this thru another keyboard (via midi) but the
CZ-1000 didn't delivered the desired effect (which of course all my other
synths do in such manner). Being sad about this :(
 
6. There are some hard to find mystical CZ/PD synthesis books out. Any
sharing suggestion, any offer, guys?
 
7. And the last silly one :) Pictures on the web are inexact in this way,
so:
Is the CZ-3000 black-colored?
Is the CZ-5000 black or gray-colored ?
Is the CZ-1 black-colored?
 
Thanks for paying attention to these boring questions of a CZ-newbie :)
 
Have a fine new year full of nice synthesis :)
Yours truly, 
Y






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Just to add a few footnotes to an excellent reply.

> 3. Taking out the sequencer of the CZ-5000, the aftertouch keyboard and the extra memory of the CZ-1, can we state, that the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 & CZ-1 are> basically the same synths?

a. The CZ-1 has velocity sensitivity. (That is, it sends and receives velocity information from 0 to 127 as part of each note on command. As far as I know, the CZ-1 does not have aftertouch. (That is, pressing harder on the keys after they have been pushed down does not send aftertouch or pressure data, nor does the synth engine receive this.)

b. My CZ-3000 even has the memory space of the CZ-5000. (That is, you can transfer via sysex sequencer dumps.) I am not sure if all CZ-3000s have this, though. Of course, without a sequencer, this is not really useful.

c. I believe someone checked some CZ synths with an oscilloscope and found some differences (possibly phase inversion), but I don't remember the spcific models tested. The discussion may be in the archives.

d. I agree: between a CZ-3000 and a CZ-5000 do not pay a premium for the 5000 just for the sequencer.

> 4. Are the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 and CZ-1 multitimbral?

As noted, yes. However, I seem to recall that while the CZ-3000/5000 can play 16 1-osc. notes, via midi (and the sequencer on the 5000), you are limited to 8. 

> 5. Has anybody got any idea/suggestion how can I make my CZ-1000 respond to a sustain pedal? I tried this thru another keyboard (via midi) but the CZ-1000 didn't delivered the desired effect (which of course all my other synths do in such manner). Being sad about this :(

I don't know about the CZ-1000, but the CZ-5000 and CZ-1 have an input for a momentary contact sustain pedal. The CZ-1000's midi implementation chart should tell you if it responds to CC 64 (sustain).  

Hope this helps.

--Steve

The CZ3000, CZ5000, and CZ-1 will accept and send CC64 for sustain. The CZ101/1000 do not support the sustain pedal.
The CZ-1 keyboard does have aftertouch (channel pressure) and will also accept it through midi. It only controls vibrato though. 

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

>
> Just to add a few footnotes to an excellent reply.
> 
> > 3. Taking out the sequencer of the CZ-5000, the aftertouch keyboard and the extra memory of the CZ-1, can we state, that the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 & CZ-1 are> basically the same synths?
> 
> a. The CZ-1 has velocity sensitivity. (That is, it sends and receives velocity information from 0 to 127 as part of each note on command. As far as I know, the CZ-1 does not have aftertouch. (That is, pressing harder on the keys after they have been pushed down does not send aftertouch or pressure data, nor does the synth engine receive this.)
> 
> b. My CZ-3000 even has the memory space of the CZ-5000. (That is, you can transfer via sysex sequencer dumps.) I am not sure if all CZ-3000s have this, though. Of course, without a sequencer, this is not really useful.
> 
> c. I believe someone checked some CZ synths with an oscilloscope and found some differences (possibly phase inversion), but I don't remember the spcific models tested. The discussion may be in the archives.
> 
> d. I agree: between a CZ-3000 and a CZ-5000 do not pay a premium for the 5000 just for the sequencer.
> 
> > 4. Are the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 and CZ-1 multitimbral?
> 
> As noted, yes. However, I seem to recall that while the CZ-3000/5000 can play 16 1-osc. notes, via midi (and the sequencer on the 5000), you are limited to 8. 
> 
> > 5. Has anybody got any idea/suggestion how can I make my CZ-1000 respond to a sustain pedal? I tried this thru another keyboard (via midi) but the CZ-1000 didn't delivered the desired effect (which of course all my other synths do in such manner). Being sad about this :(
> 
> I don't know about the CZ-1000, but the CZ-5000 and CZ-1 have an input for a momentary contact sustain pedal. The CZ-1000's midi implementation chart should tell you if it responds to CC 64 (sustain).  
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --Steve
>

Thanks for the confirmation and for the correction, Fran. I stand corrected on the CZ-1 aftertouch. I probably had no occasion to use it and had totally forgotten it existed. --Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "narfman96" <narfman96@...> wrote:

>
> The CZ3000, CZ5000, and CZ-1 will accept and send CC64 for sustain. The CZ101/1000 do not support the sustain pedal.
> The CZ-1 keyboard does have aftertouch (channel pressure) and will also accept it through midi. It only controls vibrato though. 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Just to add a few footnotes to an excellent reply.
> > 
> > > 3. Taking out the sequencer of the CZ-5000, the aftertouch keyboard and the extra memory of the CZ-1, can we state, that the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 & CZ-1 are> basically the same synths?
> > 
> > a. The CZ-1 has velocity sensitivity. (That is, it sends and receives velocity information from 0 to 127 as part of each note on command. As far as I know, the CZ-1 does not have aftertouch. (That is, pressing harder on the keys after they have been pushed down does not send aftertouch or pressure data, nor does the synth engine receive this.)
> > 
> > b. My CZ-3000 even has the memory space of the CZ-5000. (That is, you can transfer via sysex sequencer dumps.) I am not sure if all CZ-3000s have this, though. Of course, without a sequencer, this is not really useful.
> > 
> > c. I believe someone checked some CZ synths with an oscilloscope and found some differences (possibly phase inversion), but I don't remember the spcific models tested. The discussion may be in the archives.
> > 
> > d. I agree: between a CZ-3000 and a CZ-5000 do not pay a premium for the 5000 just for the sequencer.
> > 
> > > 4. Are the CZ-3000, CZ-5000 and CZ-1 multitimbral?
> > 
> > As noted, yes. However, I seem to recall that while the CZ-3000/5000 can play 16 1-osc. notes, via midi (and the sequencer on the 5000), you are limited to 8. 
> > 
> > > 5. Has anybody got any idea/suggestion how can I make my CZ-1000 respond to a sustain pedal? I tried this thru another keyboard (via midi) but the CZ-1000 didn't delivered the desired effect (which of course all my other synths do in such manner). Being sad about this :(
> > 
> > I don't know about the CZ-1000, but the CZ-5000 and CZ-1 have an input for a momentary contact sustain pedal. The CZ-1000's midi implementation chart should tell you if it responds to CC 64 (sustain).  
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > --Steve
> >
>

Just a bit of clarification about the CZ-1 keyboard's features: It does 
have velocity and aftertouch. The aftertouch can be used to modify the 
pitch, volume and modulation of a note. These three variable are 
individually adjustable via the control buttons. The CZ-1 has a very 
good aftertouch sensitivity, needing much less pressure on the keys to 
activate than say a Roland keyboard for example.

Regards,
Jazzmaster


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from what i remember the control change 64 doesn't work for note sustain on
the cz101
 but the other one does
control change #66 sustain
or
 control change #69 hold2

ok help is for those who ask .

charles



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From: "Gary H. Dunford" <garyd@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Some very simple CZ-related questions :)


> Just a bit of clarification about the CZ-1 keyboard's features: It does
> have velocity and aftertouch. The aftertouch can be used to modify the
> pitch, volume and modulation of a note. These three variable are
> individually adjustable via the control buttons. The CZ-1 has a very
> good aftertouch sensitivity, needing much less pressure on the keys to
> activate than say a Roland keyboard for example.
>
> Regards,
> Jazzmaster
>
>
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