Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

      From: "tk3811@aol.com [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2016, 1:30
 Subject: [CZsynth] Transmit SysEx via PedalBoard to CZ-101
   
    Hi, all!
Thanks for existing!  This is my first post here.  I have owned and loved my CZ-101 since the mid-80's but, I have not played it in a (startup) band until now.
My request for advice is:
I want to send SysEx messages TO a CZ-101 to change the patch and other setting including KEY TRANSPOSE via a MIDI pedalboard (like a guitarist) and NOT use a computer on stage (programming it at home is fine), what brand/model programmable MIDI controller system would you recommend I use and why?
If you don't know how to solve the pedal board aspect of the problem, any suggestions would be appreciated (since I haven't yet learned how to send my CZ101 any SysEx data).
Thank you for reading!
Sacha
From the following webpage, I learned that it is possible to change settings like KEY TRANSPOSE via SysEx messages:http://www.youngmonkey.ca/nose/audio_tech/synth/Casio-CZ.html
Voodoo Lab - Ground Control Pro??? (guitar)
Voodoo Lab - MX-8 MIDI Patchbay??? (discontinued)
Encore Electronics - Knobby??? (discontinued)Coffeeshopped LLC - Sysex Base??? 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On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:30 AM, tk3811@... [CZsynth] wrote:
> I want to send SysEx messages TO a CZ-101 to change the patch and  
> other setting including KEY TRANSPOSE via a MIDI pedalboard (like a  
> guitarist) and NOT use a computer on stage (programming it at home  
> is fine), what brand/model programmable MIDI controller system would  
> you recommend I use and why?
>
> If you don't know how to solve the pedal board aspect of the problem,
> any suggestions would be appreciated (since I haven't yet learned  
> how to send my CZ101 any SysEx data).
>
> From the following webpage, I learned that it is possible to change  
> settings like KEY TRANSPOSE via SysEx messages:
>
> http://www.youngmonkey.ca/nose/audio_tech/synth/Casio-CZ.html

On Apr 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, smw-mail@... [CZsynth] wrote:

> If you want to trigger the key transpose (or other CZ sysex) only  
> from the pedalboard, that could probably be done by having a device  
> between the pedalboard midi out and the CZ.  What I am thinking is  
> that the box could  monitor what the pedalboard sends out and could  
> be programmed to send key transpose (or other sysex) commands when  
> certain midi data is received.
>

>
>
> I was looking at VL Ground control without noticing you've mentioned  
> it. Not figure out if this fits the bill.
>
> I also came across this:
>
> Yamaha MFC10
>
> but I can't tell if it implements programmable sysx (think not).

On 15 Apr 2016, at 14:13, "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, this would be possible. MIDI foot pedals usually have limited functions. But all of them can send Program Change and select memories on some more advanced processor connected between the MIDI foot pedal and the instrument. Something like Yamaha MEP-4 or Peavey 1600/1600x. 
> 
> Still all this is unnecessarily complex (and also expensive) solution in the comparison with just simple pressing buttons directly on the CZ, when we want to select patches, do transposition or even change some parameter value.
> 
> Daniel Forro
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, smw-mail@... [CZsynth] wrote:
> 
>> If you want to trigger the key transpose (or other CZ sysex) only from the pedalboard, that could probably be done by having a device between the pedalboard midi out and the CZ.  What I am thinking is that the box could  monitor what the pedalboard sends out and could be programmed to send key transpose (or other sysex) commands when certain midi data is received.
>> 
> 
>

On 18 Apr 2016, at 01:00, "tk3811@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you all for writing!
> 
> Steve,
> I found the the GUIDEBOOK FOR MIDI (Casio CZ Sysex.pdf) in the files section.  While I knew about KEY TRANSPOSE, there is a lot more to read about.
> 
> Steve & Lee B.,
> The kind of pedalboard to which I am referring is not a musical one like below an organ but, rather, a box of buttons that a guitarist might position on the floor by his microphone stand to control his effects.
> 
> Lee B.,
> Thank you for also recommending the Yamaha MFC10.  I'll read the article.  It would be great if the Ground Control could do it.
> 
> Daniel,
> Programing transposition directly in the Patch with Detune parameter (and using more memory locations) seems like a good idea but, I would also want to be able to change other parameters like PITCH BEND RANGE, PORTAMENTO RANGE, SOLO ON/OFF, TONE MIX, etc.  I've been trying to make do with using the front panel to make these changes but, our songs are continious like a giant medley and I'm finding it difficult to read the changes that need to be done and make them with no mistakes in enough time.  Yes, this would be expensive but, maybe I can use the same pedalboard for other guitar stuff, etc.
> 
> Lee T.,
> I would like to know more about what you mean by "extending the existing controls with a couple of wires."
> 
> I am going to call around to determine which pedalboards can send specific predefined SysEx commands.
> 
> I would still love to know if anyone here is already doing this on stage.
> 
> Thanks again!  I went from worrying that neither of my posts were going show up in this Yahoo Group to having all you helpful guys giving me a good place to start.
> 
> Please keep it coming and I'll let you know what I find out.
> 
> Sacha
> 
>

On 29 Apr 2016, at 17:08, "Gordonjcp gordon@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 06:02:55AM -0700, smw-mail@... [CZsynth] wrote:
> > Just a couple of thoughts: (1) Would you consider a tablet (such as an android device) with an app that can do sysex via Wi-Fi? (2) Would you consider building your own sysex sending controller with a low-cost micro processor, say something like a arduino or a pi--or maybe modifying/adding on to something like an old ART? foot controller? (3) I recall reading about one (other that the BCF/BCR 2000s), but will have to look for the reference--I think I might know someone with a programmable foot pedal. 
> > Steve
> > 
> 
> One of the difficulties with USB interfaces and the CZ family is that they expect to send and receive acknowledgement messages to and from the host device when doing sysex transfers, and these don't line up with multiples of three bytes. Because of the way the USB protocol works, most devices seem to want to use this three byte mode for sysex although some allegedly have a byte-at-a-time mode. Mostly you can't send "byte-at-a-time" messages which is what you need.
> 
> I've had an inkling to do an STM32-based interface that will get around this and other usb-midi issues. I've got loads of STM32F107 boards that have USB interfaces and the rest is just two transistors and an optoisolator.
> 
> -- 
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>

On 9 May 2016, at 02:18, "'350ypvs@...' 350ypvs@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Very sad news. RIP Tomita, may you dance with the snowflakes in eternal happiness.
> 
> On May 8, 2016 20:58, "Daniel Forró danforcz@yahoo.com [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Sad news - another great personality, important synthesizer performer 
>> and one of my heros has died - according to today's The Japan Times: 
>> Isao Tomita...
>> 
>> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2016/05/08/music/isao-tomita-japanese-pioneer-of-synthesizer-music-dies-at-84/
>> 
>> He was connected with CZ series and took part in promotion it...
>> 
>> Daniel Forro
> 
>