Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

> The Andromeda keyboard is very nice indeed so it bodes well. This synth will
> be a classic! 

Man, I love the Evolver sound, and could really use a nice keyboard...

The prob is that I live in Japan and I'm _sure_ the local price will
be some absurd multiple of the real price -- e.g. figure on _double_
the U.S. list price!  Music instrument importers here are greedy as
all hell, and apparently have enough of a captive market that they can
add an enormous markup to any instrument that's desirable/fashionable,
and the Poly Evolver Keyboard is definitely looking to be both of
those...

Grumble, !@$# importers....

-Miles

> Music instrument importers here are greedy as
> all hell, and apparently have enough of a captive market that they can
> add an enormous markup to any instrument that's desirable/fashionable,
> and the Poly Evolver Keyboard is definitely looking to be both of
> those...
>
well, remember you don't need to deal with importers when you buy DSI
gear.....
just shipping companies.



julian

> > Music instrument importers here are greedy as
> > all hell, and apparently have enough of a captive market that they can
> > add an enormous markup to any instrument that's desirable/fashionable,
> > and the Poly Evolver Keyboard is definitely looking to be both of
> > those...
>
> well, remember you don't need to deal with importers when you buy DSI
> gear..... just shipping companies.

Hmmm, good point; I hope DSI continues this tradition with the keyboard!

I suppose for a 5-octave keyboard synth the international shipping fee
is going to be a lot more painful than with the original Evolver --
but it's almost certainly a fraction of the insane Japanese importer's
markup.

Thanks,

-Miles

p.s. I have absolutely nothing against paying a little extra for local
service, I'm fine with that, it's just that in the case of Japan, it's
beyond all reason.  As far as I can figure, a fair amount of the fault
lies with consumers who are willing to pay exorbitant prices for gear
that's fashionable/trendy/&c.

p.p.s. Sorry for all the complaining!

On 5 janv. 05, at 02:26, Miles Bader wrote:

> p.s. I have absolutely nothing against paying a little extra for local
> service, I'm fine with that, it's just that in the case of Japan, it's
> beyond all reason.  As far as I can figure, a fair amount of the fault
> lies with consumers who are willing to pay exorbitant prices for gear
> that's fashionable/trendy/&c.

I agree with that wholeheartedly...  I was surprised that you were even 
interested in buying that "luxurious foreign wonder synth" locally.  
It's amazing how the little island mentality never dies over there.  
Lame.

-Yutaka

Yutaka Nakamura <liquidbrain@n...> wrote:
> 
> On 5 janv. 05, at 02:26, Miles Bader wrote:
> 
> > p.s. I have absolutely nothing against paying a little extra for 
local
> > service, I'm fine with that, it's just that in the case of Japan, 
it's
> > beyond all reason.  As far as I can figure, a fair amount of the 
fault
> > lies with consumers who are willing to pay exorbitant prices for 
gear
> > that's fashionable/trendy/&c.
> 
> I agree with that wholeheartedly...  I was surprised that you were 
even 
> interested in buying that "luxurious foreign wonder synth" 
locally.  
> It's amazing how the little island mentality never dies over 
there.  
> Lame.
> 
> -Yutaka

That's kind of funny, as I've heard that many of the 
desirable 'vintage' synths can be found for cheap in Japanese second-
hand stores.  But maybe that only seemed relevant to me, as 'vintage' 
synths seem to be trendy in the States.

DSI Evolver- The new synth that's an instant classic

Hi all,

I'm currently trying to develop an Evolver module for the free BorgLib 
librarian ( http://www.borgstation.com ).

All is going well, but I've come across some behaviour that is confusing 
me....

If I send program data to the Edit Buffer, it seems that the Clock 
Divide and BPM parameters are not updated dynamically. I can see the 
values change when I send in the new data (so the Evolver has definaely 
recieved the new values), but the sequencers continue to run at the 
previous settings, even if stopped and started again.

I suppose I am writing to you to see if this is normal behaviour. I 
don't have any of the existing software editors to test against, so this 
is my only experience of the problem. Perhaps its a bug in BorgLib 
somewhere. I have Use Prgm Tempo enabled, and I am not receiving any 
midi clock.

I hope I'm just being stupid :)

regards,
Rory


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Just noticed there seems to be a new Evolver manual available at Dave 
Smith's website!!

http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/downloads/Evolver_manual_2-0-2.pdf

I've had a scan through, and I see that Start/Stop, Reset and Shift 
buttons will now send/recieve a midi (sysex) message, and there's also a 
new sysex string for Program Name!!! My guess is that this is for the 
forthcoming Psicraft.editor, so that names can be stored with patches, 
even though they can't be displayed on the Evolver itself.... Nice :)


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Rory Dow <rory@...> writes:
> I've had a scan through, and I see that Start/Stop, Reset and Shift 
> buttons will now send/recieve a midi (sysex) message, and there's also a 
> new sysex string for Program Name!!! My guess is that this is for the 
> forthcoming Psicraft.editor, so that names can be stored with patches, 
> even though they can't be displayed on the Evolver itself.... Nice :)

That's been there for a while; I think the new sysex is for the
poly-evolver (the new button events allow editing poly-evolver patches
using the controls of a normal evolver).

-Miles
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I'd rather be consing.

I am noticing a similar problem when using the Sound Tower Library
feature.  It seems that once I store a patch into the libray, that the
tempo and clock divide will change to the program default settings not
the actual patch settings.  Is this normal? 

Thomas


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Rory Dow <rory@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm currently trying to develop an Evolver module for the free BorgLib 
> librarian ( http://www.borgstation.com ).
> 
> All is going well, but I've come across some behaviour that is
confusing 
> me....
> 
> If I send program data to the Edit Buffer, it seems that the Clock 
> Divide and BPM parameters are not updated dynamically. I can see the 
> values change when I send in the new data (so the Evolver has definaely 
> recieved the new values), but the sequencers continue to run at the 
> previous settings, even if stopped and started again.
> 
> I suppose I am writing to you to see if this is normal behaviour. I 
> don't have any of the existing software editors to test against, so
this 

> is my only experience of the problem. Perhaps its a bug in BorgLib 
> somewhere. I have Use Prgm Tempo enabled, and I am not receiving any 
> midi clock.
> 
> I hope I'm just being stupid :)
> 
> regards,
> Rory
> 


> 
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>

Actually, what seems to be happening is that if I load a patch from
the library it will play at the edit buffer tempo and note division. 
This doesn't happen if I load the patch into the synth.  This seems
like a bug, should I email soundtower?

Thomas

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@...> wrote:
>
> I am noticing a similar problem when using the Sound Tower Library
> feature.  It seems that once I store a patch into the libray, that the
> tempo and clock divide will change to the program default settings not
> the actual patch settings.  Is this normal? 
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Rory Dow <rory@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm currently trying to develop an Evolver module for the free
BorgLib 
> > librarian ( http://www.borgstation.com ).
> > 
> > All is going well, but I've come across some behaviour that is
> confusing 
> > me....
> > 
> > If I send program data to the Edit Buffer, it seems that the Clock 
> > Divide and BPM parameters are not updated dynamically. I can see the 
> > values change when I send in the new data (so the Evolver has
definaely 

> > recieved the new values), but the sequencers continue to run at the 
> > previous settings, even if stopped and started again.
> > 
> > I suppose I am writing to you to see if this is normal behaviour. I 
> > don't have any of the existing software editors to test against, so
> this 
> > is my only experience of the problem. Perhaps its a bug in BorgLib 
> > somewhere. I have Use Prgm Tempo enabled, and I am not receiving any 
> > midi clock.
> > 
> > I hope I'm just being stupid :)
> > 
> > regards,
> > Rory
> > 
> 
> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005
> >
>

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the question. Let me post a response and save you time on 
an email.

I suspect your problem here is more of a missed step in your use of 
the software than anything ware related. 

I'll start by noting that the Librarian function does not alter the 
evolver patch parmeters in anyway. That being said we of course are 
going to check the source code to see if there is anything that may 
cause the Tempo/Note Division change. 

Also, you might want to check Evolver's MAIN settings parameters 
like "Use Program tempo ON/OFF" for additional clues.

If you have anyother information or if after you check the "Tempo 
ON/OFF" and you haven't sorted through it please let us know. I hope 
this at least helps a bit.

all the best
Derek
SoundTower Team.





--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@...> 
wrote:
>
> Actually, what seems to be happening is that if I load a patch from
> the library it will play at the edit buffer tempo and note 
division. 
> This doesn't happen if I load the patch into the synth.  This seems
> like a bug, should I email soundtower?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@> 
wrote:
> >
> > I am noticing a similar problem when using the Sound Tower 
Library
> > feature.  It seems that once I store a patch into the libray, 
that the
> > tempo and clock divide will change to the program default 
settings not
> > the actual patch settings.  Is this normal? 
> > 
> > Thomas
> > 
>

<<<balance of messages deleted>>>>

Thanks for the response.  I am ususally fairly thorough when troublel
shooting and I did mess with the "use program temo" option and it
didn't solve my problem.  Any other thoughts?

Thomas
Lunar Sound Design

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "soundtower_helpdesk"
<soundtower_helpdesk@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Thanks for the question. Let me post a response and save you time on 
> an email.
> 
> I suspect your problem here is more of a missed step in your use of 
> the software than anything ware related. 
> 
> I'll start by noting that the Librarian function does not alter the 
> evolver patch parmeters in anyway. That being said we of course are 
> going to check the source code to see if there is anything that may 
> cause the Tempo/Note Division change. 
> 
> Also, you might want to check Evolver's MAIN settings parameters 
> like "Use Program tempo ON/OFF" for additional clues.
> 
> If you have anyother information or if after you check the "Tempo 
> ON/OFF" and you haven't sorted through it please let us know. I hope 
> this at least helps a bit.
> 
> all the best
> Derek
> SoundTower Team.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, what seems to be happening is that if I load a patch from
> > the library it will play at the edit buffer tempo and note 
> division. 
> > This doesn't happen if I load the patch into the synth.  This seems
> > like a bug, should I email soundtower?
> > 
> > Thomas
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am noticing a similar problem when using the Sound Tower 
> Library
> > > feature.  It seems that once I store a patch into the libray, 
> that the
> > > tempo and clock divide will change to the program default 
> settings not
> > > the actual patch settings.  Is this normal? 
> > > 
> > > Thomas
> > > 
> >
> 
> <<<balance of messages deleted>>>>
>

Ok, we have scheduled some time to look at the code at the end of 
next week.

Thanks again for the post. I will keep you advised.

cheers
Derek
SoundTower Help Desk

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response.  I am ususally fairly thorough when 
troublel
> shooting and I did mess with the "use program temo" option and it
> didn't solve my problem.  Any other thoughts?
> 
> Thomas
> Lunar Sound Design
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "soundtower_helpdesk"
> <soundtower_helpdesk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> > 
> > Thanks for the question. Let me post a response and save you 
time on 
> > an email.
> > 
> > I suspect your problem here is more of a missed step in your use 
of 
> > the software than anything ware related. 
> > 
> > I'll start by noting that the Librarian function does not alter 
the 
> > evolver patch parmeters in anyway. That being said we of course 
are 
> > going to check the source code to see if there is anything that 
may 
> > cause the Tempo/Note Division change. 
> > 
> > Also, you might want to check Evolver's MAIN settings parameters 
> > like "Use Program tempo ON/OFF" for additional clues.
> > 
> > If you have anyother information or if after you check 
the "Tempo 
> > ON/OFF" and you haven't sorted through it please let us know. I 
hope 
> > this at least helps a bit.
> > 
> > all the best
> > Derek
> > SoundTower Team.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@...m, "Lunar Sound Design" <lsd@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, what seems to be happening is that if I load a patch 
from
> > > the library it will play at the edit buffer tempo and note 
> > division. 
> > > This doesn't happen if I load the patch into the synth.  This 
seems
> > > like a bug, should I email soundtower?
> > > 
> > > Thomas
> > > 
> > > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" 
<lsd@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am noticing a similar problem when using the Sound Tower 
> > Library
> > > > feature.  It seems that once I store a patch into the 
libray, 

> > that the
> > > > tempo and clock divide will change to the program default 
> > settings not
> > > > the actual patch settings.  Is this normal? 
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas
> > > > 
> > >
> > 
> > <<<balance of messages deleted>>>>
> >
>