Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

A guy that I used to play in a band with had a tiny mixer that sounds exactly as what you're after... I don't exactly remember how many inputs there were, but there weren't many, and just a volume control for each in/output. Nothing else at all! The only problem with it was that it distorted quite easily if you played too loud...
I have no idea which brand it was, but you should be able to find it if you search really hard... :)
Ok, I'm too curious not to search myself... =)
Aah... Here it is: 
http://www.monacor.com/en/gesamtprogramm.php?spr=EN&brand=MI&filter=M
The one I thought about is the "microphone mixer", but it's probably a bit too small since it's only mono out.
The "stereo mixer" (MMX-3) seems more suitable: 3 stereo in, a stereo out + headphones... 
Don't know the prices, but the small one sells for below $50 here in Sweden...
/Christian

 -----Original Message-----
From: Miles Bader <miles@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:19:36 +0900
Subject: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input


"Ravi Ivan Sharma" <sharmalaw1@...> writes:
> I agree. But there will be no mix input on the keyboard as far as Dave
> has told me. In the P5 instance, we will have to simply use another
> couple of mixer inputs. Not as convenient, but not the end of the
> world either.

Hmmm, is there some sort of passive no-features very-small-space
very-low-price mixer one could use for this sort of thing?

E.g. 3 stereo inputs -> 1 stereo output with no controls (maybe a single
volume pot for each input or something).

-Miles
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e 1 stereo output with no controls (maybe a single
volume pot for each input or something).

-Miles
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:34:49 -0500, Ravi Ivan Sharma
<sharmalaw1@...> wrote:
> Other than that, the small behringers for sub $100 are easy to deal with. 

Hmmm I was hoping there's something that would be possible to
duck-tape to the back of a polyvolver-kb and ignore -- surely the
actual _circuit_ is about the size of a quarter (add space for jacks),
but it looks like that's just not enough stuff for manufs to make a
profit on... also pretty much everything seems to require a power
supply.

Any electronics-types out there?  Is it possible to do this sort of
thing passively?

Maybe the PAIA circuit is the best bet, at least then I could easily
avoid a large clumsy enclosure...

BTW, those of you wondering why I don't just "use another mixer
channel":  besides the obvious issue of never having enough channels
available, I really hate having to fiddle with multiple identical
settings for what is conceptually a single instrument.  So a
"submixer" approach seems nice for this -- I thought Dave's idea of
the mix-input jacks on the poly-evolver was brilliant for this reason,
but then he had to go and leave it off the keyboard... :-(

-Miles
-- 
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

You (all) might want to look into an Akai MB76 for this.
It's a MIDI controlled audio mixer/patchbay.  They can
be had off of EBay for about $100 - the last one I saw went
for like $65.  

Emory

--- Miles Bader <miles@...> wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:34:49 -0500, Ravi Ivan Sharma
> <sharmalaw1@...> wrote:
> > Other than that, the small behringers for sub $100 are easy to deal with. 
> 
> Hmmm I was hoping there's something that would be possible to
> duck-tape to the back of a polyvolver-kb and ignore -- surely the
> actual _circuit_ is about the size of a quarter (add space for jacks),
> but it looks like that's just not enough stuff for manufs to make a
> profit on... also pretty much everything seems to require a power
> supply.
> 
> Any electronics-types out there?  Is it possible to do this sort of
> thing passively?
> 
> Maybe the PAIA circuit is the best bet, at least then I could easily
> avoid a large clumsy enclosure...
> 
> BTW, those of you wondering why I don't just "use another mixer
> channel":  besides the obvious issue of never having enough channels
> available, I really hate having to fiddle with multiple identical
> settings for what is conceptually a single instrument.  So a
> "submixer" approach seems nice for this -- I thought Dave's idea of
> the mix-input jacks on the poly-evolver was brilliant for this reason,
> but then he had to go and leave it off the keyboard... :-(
> 
> -Miles
> -- 
> Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
> 
> 
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re :  Any electronics-types out there? Is it possible to do this sort 
of thing passively


Well if you go to Rane.com and look through their info sheets they 
have a schematic for a PASSIVE summing circuit that takes a stereo 
pair down to mono that doesn't bleed signal from channel A back to 
Channel B, (which screws with the impedance) its a couple of 
resistors and that's it.  I made a little 2X2 Radio shack box with it 
and that is how I take a lot of my stereo gear down to mono, it works 
great, and no appreciable signal loss

Therefore I'm guessing that if you built a pair of these you could 
combine the mono evolver L/R with a poly L/R and end up with only a 
stereo pair, but then you might get a ground loop, I dunno, 

Send the guys at Rane a tech support question, they are pretty cool 
about answering stuff that's off the wall...its worth a try

Right.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Miles Bader" <miles@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:22 AM
Subject: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input


> moose <moose@...> writes:
>> the PEK's do have a stereo audio input...
>
> But still no "mix" input (like the PE rack has), right?
>
> -Miles
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> next time i talk to dave i'll try to remember to ask him *why*  this was
> left out of the PEK.

I suppose that it was left out because it's not necessary ;)
The mix input was made to chain 2 or more Poly racks or to chain Keyboard 
and Poly Evolvers.
It's sufficient if only 1 of 2 units that are chained has this mix input.

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "moose" <moose@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input


> On 22/4/05 3:18 PM, "D B" wrote:
>
>
>> As you can see there are 2 sets of Stereo inputs.  1 for Mix In and the
>> other for Audio Input.
>
> so there is an input to mix another synths output with the main output of
> the PEK, and the other (audio input) allows external sounds to be used as
> raw waveforms, a la korg's wavestation a/d.
>
> the PEK only has the 'mix' input & i agree that the additional input would
> have been a worthy addition.
>
> next time i talk to dave i'll try to remember to ask him *why*  this was
> left out of the PEK.
>
> }:-)
>
>
> email :
>  moose@...
>
> music sites :
>  http://www.pigpendigital.com
>  http://www.alaskahighway.com
>  http://www.mishikawa.com
>
>

On 7/5/05 11:45 AM, "Stefan Trippler" wrote:

>> > next time i talk to dave i'll try to remember to ask him *why*  this was
>> > left out of the PEK.
> 
> I suppose that it was left out because it's not necessary ;)
> The mix input was made to chain 2 or more Poly racks or to chain Keyboard
> and Poly Evolvers.
> It's sufficient if only 1 of 2 units that are chained has this mix input.
> 
> Regards
> Stefan

not if you want to pass another keyboards output *thru* the PEK's analogue
'fiilters'!!  i run some of my gear thru the wavestation a/d for bizarre
wavesequencing, though once i get the eowave's will probably abuse those
more...

}:-)


email :
  moose@...

music sites :
  http://www.pigpendigital.com
  http://www.alaskahighway.com
  http://www.mishikawa.com

Moose, the PEK has an audio input to process signals from other 
synthesizers.
Only the additional mix input, that makes sense only for the chaining of 
several units, is reserved for the rack versions.

Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "moose" <moose@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input


> On 7/5/05 11:45 AM, "Stefan Trippler" wrote:
>
>>> > next time i talk to dave i'll try to remember to ask him *why*  this 
>>> > was
>>> > left out of the PEK.
>>
>> I suppose that it was left out because it's not necessary ;)
>> The mix input was made to chain 2 or more Poly racks or to chain Keyboard
>> and Poly Evolvers.
>> It's sufficient if only 1 of 2 units that are chained has this mix input.
>>
>> Regards
>> Stefan
>
> not if you want to pass another keyboards output *thru* the PEK's analogue
> 'fiilters'!!  i run some of my gear thru the wavestation a/d for bizarre
> wavesequencing, though once i get the eowave's will probably abuse those
> more...
>
> }:-)
>
>
> email :
>  moose@...
>
> music sites :
>  http://www.pigpendigital.com
>  http://www.alaskahighway.com
>  http://www.mishikawa.com
>
>

On 7/5/05 1:46 PM, "Stefan Trippler"wrote:


> Moose, the PEK has an audio input to process signals from other
> synthesizers.
> 
i know...  i was trying to clarify that point (obviously not too well!) and
said i'd ask DS why he left those inputs off of the PEK.

> 
> Only the additional mix input, that makes sense only for the chaining of
> several units, is reserved for the rack versions.

i thought that the PEK *can* chain units together ie you can attach a rack
to your PEK via the midi overflow & audio leads which'd make 'em work as an
8 voice synth coming out of the PEK's stereo audio output!?

...or have i been working too hard?

};-)


email :
  moose@...

music sites :
  http://www.pigpendigital.com
  http://www.alaskahighway.com
  http://www.mishikawa.com

Usually the PEK will be the first unit in a chain, means the keyboard will 
send midi control and audio to a chained rack, the rack mixes it with its 
own audio output and sends the audio (and the filtered midi data) further to 
the next chained unit or, if the chain is terminated here, to a mixing 
desk/amplifier/ whatever.

Downside is that only rack units can be used as voice expansions, means I 
can't realize my 24 voice Evolver -like originally planned by me- by 
chaining 6 Poly Evolver keyboards. It will have to be 1 keyboard and 5 racks 
;)

Regards
Stefan

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "moose" <moose@...>
To: <DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input


> On 7/5/05 1:46 PM, "Stefan Trippler"wrote:
>
>
>> Moose, the PEK has an audio input to process signals from other
>> synthesizers.
>>
> i know...  i was trying to clarify that point (obviously not too well!) 
> and
> said i'd ask DS why he left those inputs off of the PEK.
>
>>
>> Only the additional mix input, that makes sense only for the chaining of
>> several units, is reserved for the rack versions.
>
> i thought that the PEK *can* chain units together ie you can attach a rack
> to your PEK via the midi overflow & audio leads which'd make 'em work as 
> an
> 8 voice synth coming out of the PEK's stereo audio output!?
>
> ...or have i been working too hard?
>
> };-)
>
>
> email :
>  moose@...
>
> music sites :
>  http://www.pigpendigital.com
>  http://www.alaskahighway.com
>  http://www.mishikawa.com
>
>

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trippler" <trippler@t...> wrote:

> Downside is that only rack units can be used as voice expansions, means I 
> can't realize my 24 voice Evolver -like originally planned by me- by 
> chaining 6 Poly Evolver keyboards. It will have to be 1 keyboard and 5 racks 

Poly Chain mode only goes up to 20 voices...

dB
DSI

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From: Dave

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:21 PM

Subject: [Evolver] Re: Poly-evolver keyboard has no mix input

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Trippler" <trippler@t...> wrote:

> Downside is that only rack units can be used as voice expansions, means I
> can't realize my 24 voice Evolver -like originally planned by me- by
> chaining 6 Poly Evolver keyboards. It will have to be 1 keyboard and 5 racks

Poly Chain mode only goes up to 20 voices...

dB
DSI

On 5/8/05, Stefan Trippler <trippler@...> wrote:
> Usually the PEK will be the first unit in a chain, means the keyboard will
> send midi control and audio to a chained rack, the rack mixes it with its
> own audio output and sends the audio (and the filtered midi data) further to
> the next chained unit or, if the chain is terminated here, to a mixing
> desk/amplifier/ whatever.

The situation I was thinking of was using a mono evolver to expand a
PEK, though it's starting to sound like such a configuration may be
somewhat impractical for other reasons too (e.g., the PEK's "dumb
keyboard" split model; maybe if the mono gets the rumored "unified OS
upgrade" it will be expanded to handle splits on the receiving end
like a polyevolver...).

In general of course, it's always a bit dissapointing to see this sort
of miscellanous feature left off in a rack-to-keyboard transition or
vice-versa, especially when the cost of the associated physical
hardware is extremely low (the design cost is already mostly paid).

-Miles
-- 
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.