Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Hi!

I'm a new P.E.K owner. I just want to say it's a great 
looking/sounding sizer that sounds like my P5 but with even more fun 
stuff. I just have a question. 

I get a strange click-sound in the beginning of each note if I set the 
attack to zero. The click is most notable if the cut-off is turned 
down. How do I get rid of the click sound without changing the attack 
of the sound?

Regards
Demokid

>I'm a new P.E.K owner. I just want to say it's a great
>looking/sounding sizer that sounds like my P5 but with even more fun
>stuff. I just have a question.
>
>I get a strange click-sound in the beginning of each note if I set the
>attack to zero. The click is most notable if the cut-off is turned
>down. How do I get rid of the click sound without changing the attack
>of the sound?

Probably you'll have to change the attack.  A fast enough attack will 
generally produce some kind of discontinuity- which you'll hear as a click.  
On newer synths I think it's more noticeable because high-speed digital 
envelopes can produce instant-on attacks that you can't usually get from 
analog stuff (well, except organs maybe).

> I get a strange click-sound in the beginning of each note if I set the 
> attack to zero. The click is most notable if the cut-off is turned 
> down. How do I get rid of the click sound without changing the attack 
> of the sound?

Nothing strange about it...the envelopes are so fast at the short end of 
the scale that they create an impulse...a very narrow pulse wave 
theoretically containing all harmonics...noise in other words. You can 
use this to your advantage to help make keyclick on organ timbres, etc...

Until I got the PEK/PER, only my Waldorf gear was capable of this. It 
was nice of Dave not to truncate the envelope response to a "safe" 
zone...there are some other parameters that veer outside the normally 
useful range. I say BRAVO! ;)

Best Regards, James
--
http://www.carbon111.com

> Nothing strange about it...the envelopes are so fast at the short 
end of 
> the scale that they create an impulse...a very narrow pulse wave 
> theoretically containing all harmonics...noise in other words. You 
can 
> use this to your advantage to help make keyclick on organ timbres, 
etc...
> 
> Until I got the PEK/PER, only my Waldorf gear was capable of this. 
It 
> was nice of Dave not to truncate the envelope response to a "safe" 
> zone...there are some other parameters that veer outside the 
normally 
> useful range. I say BRAVO! ;)
> 
> Best Regards, James
> --
> http://www.carbon111.com

So there is now way to get rid of the popping sound other then 
increasing the Attack value to 8-11? If I do this then I don't as 
fast attack on e.g. clav sounds, basses. I want to be able to create 
the same kind of sounds as I do on my P5, Model D, Voyager, A6 and 
so on. They have fast attack without the annoying popping sound. 

It would be nice to have a software feature that turn truncate 
on/off for the envelope response. That way you can get both ultra 
hard attack as well as fast, soft sounds. 

Kind regards
Demokid

>

> So there is now way to get rid of the popping sound other then 
> increasing the Attack value to 8-11? If I do this then I don't as 
> fast attack on e.g. clav sounds, basses. I want to be able to create 
> the same kind of sounds as I do on my P5, Model D, Voyager, A6 and 
> so on. They have fast attack without the annoying popping sound. 

You don't have to turn the attack up very far *at* *all* to get rid of 
the click...

Best, James

"demokid2000" <demokid2000@...> writes:
> the same kind of sounds as I do on my P5, Model D, Voyager, A6 and 
> so on. They have fast attack without the annoying popping sound. 

That seems unlikely -- the "clicking sound" is pretty much an inherent
part of a really fast attack unless you force the oscillators to start
from a zero-crossing (which analogue synths typically don't do).

-Miles
-- 
"1971 pickup truck; will trade for guns"

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Carbon111 <carbon111@...> wrote:
>
> > So there is now way to get rid of the popping sound other then 
> > increasing the Attack value to 8-11? If I do this then I don't as 
> > fast attack on e.g. clav sounds, basses. I want to be able to create 
> > the same kind of sounds as I do on my P5, Model D, Voyager, A6 and 
> > so on. They have fast attack without the annoying popping sound. 
> 
> You don't have to turn the attack up very far *at* *all* to get rid of 
> the click...
> 
> Best, James
>

I would think if the other synths you mention don't click, it proves
the attacks on those are not as fast... afaik a sharp enough jump in
amplitude in an audio waveform will always sound like a click.

i have read that there are other factors to envelope shape (like 'peak
hold time') that can cause a perception of punchiness although the
envelope is not literally that 'fast'