Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

I'm looking for an analog synth I can use with a new wireless protocol
called ZigBee. Evolver comes to mind. I want to control small
distributed synths either thru MIDI or CV. Routing MIDI, CV or
anything really is no big deal using ZigBee technology. The synth
module could be almost anywhere and can be moved within range of a
ZigBee device that has a compatable profile. This would not be a wire
replacement product, like a wireless microphone. These little guys are
smart. Kind of like the way bees communicate by zig zagging around
passing messages from bee to bee. They know where they are and who
they are talking to. If you want them to hook up with other devices,
just send them a message and tell them to and they will try and find
them together. All this can be done on the fly, on the internet, on a
PC app, or with just another ZigBee Device. Using the local wireless
network the latency would not be detected at the level CV or MIDI
works. They are very small, cheap and use almost no power. This is
being called the internet of things.  I think the chaining and
interactive capabilities of Evolver fits into this kind of high
concept development. At the very least I will have another mad-science
rig to play with. Do you think Evolver would work in this kind of
application?

Wouldn't you also need a bunch of other music stuff to be working using 
zigbee too?

otherwise its going to be a very lonely wireless-connectable evolver.

and I'm not 100% sure exactly what it would be meant to do, more than 
what you can manage with MIDI now anyway?

MIDI is good but I'm inclined to go with CV right now. The ZigBee hardware platform I have 
could be modified to do CV with out a huge effort. MIDI would take more time and there 
already is a plethora of wireless MIDI, all wire substitution, USB, Bluetooth. Given my 
situation I'm exploring if this is worth doing. 

Unlike wire substitution ZigBee allows you to have the "wire" to join a network of things, 
kind of like the internet but local. It is self aware and the network is self healing. ZigBee 
MIDI would be a good thing too. 

I was eyeing the CV ins and outs in the back of Evolver. To me that means that Evolver can 
output CV to the world. Am I right on that? Can any control be routed to the CV outs and 
ins through a matrix like I'm hoping? That would mean that Evolver can control or interract 
with other CV compatable modules like any other analog synth. The ZigBee module would 
be about the size of a cigarette pack now, much smaller later. It would plug into the CV ins 
and outs. Other ZigBee plugs would go in other synth modules CV jacks. It would not be a 
lonely guy but a part of the internet of things. Route CV signal from anybody on the 
ZigBee mesh network to the Evolver. Could even take simulated CV from a ZigBee enabled 
compuker if I could get someone to write that program. 


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, mr julian <jujulilianan@...> wrote:

>
> Wouldn't you also need a bunch of other music stuff to be working using 
> zigbee too?
> 
> otherwise its going to be a very lonely wireless-connectable evolver.
> 
> and I'm not 100% sure exactly what it would be meant to do, more than 
> what you can manage with MIDI now anyway?
>

Do not use an evolver for this, the CV inputs aren't quite like the CV in's on most other synths. I would recommend getting an older analog with CV controls - ie Roland SH-09 or SH-101 (roughly the same price as a new desktop evolver) or something along those lines.

-Jim

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom <nusynth@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] A wireless ZigBee Enabled Evolver???

MIDI is good but I'm inclined to go with CV right now. The ZigBee hardware platform I have 
could be modified to do CV with out a huge effort. MIDI would take more time and there 
already is a plethora of wireless MIDI, all wire substitution, USB, Bluetooth. Given my 
situation I'm exploring if this is worth doing. 

Unlike wire substitution ZigBee allows you to have the "wire" to join a network of things, 
kind of like the internet but local. It is self aware and the network is self healing. ZigBee 
MIDI would be a good thing too. 

I was eyeing the CV ins and outs in the back of Evolver. To me that means that Evolver can 
output CV to the world. Am I right on that? Can any control be routed to the CV outs and 
ins through a matrix like I'm hoping? That would mean that Evolver can control or interract 
with other CV compatable modules like any other analog synth. The ZigBee module would 
be about the size of a cigarette pack now, much smaller later. It would plug into the CV ins 
and outs. Other ZigBee plugs would go in other synth modules CV jacks. It would not be a 
lonely guy but a part of the internet of things. Route CV signal from anybody on the 
ZigBee mesh network to the Evolver. Could even take simulated CV from a ZigBee enabled 
compuker if I could get someone to write that program. 

--- In DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com, mr julian <jujulilianan@ ...> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't you also need a bunch of other music stuff to be working using 
> zigbee too?
> 
> otherwise its going to be a very lonely wireless-connectabl e evolver.
> 
> and I'm not 100% sure exactly what it would be meant to do, more than 
> what you can manage with MIDI now anyway?
>





 
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Anybody know what's up with the Evolver CV inputs? I did not see CV input listed in the 
manual as a modulation source. Jim, I figured that CV was just another mod source. That 
would be nice. See page 35 or so. Is CV hardwired to modulate just one thing like 
triggering a sequence? Volume? Gate?  If that's the case that would be ok for my purposes 
right now, I'd just like to know how people are using it. You would be suprised about how 
people are inventive with how they actually use things beyond what a tech support person 
or manual can tell you. 

It would also be nice to try and transmit MIDI and CV to the same instument. Yes I could 
do that without blowing things up! These transmitters and receivers I have access to are 
very smart little guys and can know what they are talking to. It is like having an early older 
model PC built into each end of the wire except it's wireless and in a small chip. 

 That SH-101 sure does cover the coolness factor, price point and CV. Not something I can 
go in and pick up over at Guitar Center though. I like to support living entities like Evolver. 
I have an interest in technology that is, well, continuing to evolve. CV never really died, it 
just found a niche and it is nice to see it included in a current synth line however limited 
the implementation.   

> Do not use an evolver for this, the CV inputs aren't quite like the CV in's on most other 
synths. I would recommend getting an older analog with CV controls - ie Roland SH-09 or 
SH-101 (roughly the same price as a new desktop evolver) or something along those lines.

> 
> -Jim
>

as far as I know, the evolver does not have cv inputs. 

it has external signal inputs.

they're very different things.

I think the external signal input can be used to generate an amplitude
envelope, that can then be used as a mod source, but since I never use
evolver as a signal processor, I could be wrong.

Anyway - why bother with CV? 
why not use zigbee to just send MIDI to the evolver?

you can do PLENTY with the evolver using MIDI (SysEx especially)  you
can tweak any parameter at all. And if you can program your zigbee
adapters to generate these sysex messages from generic MIDI controller
data that you would send over the air (should be trivial for someone who
knows how to code microcontrollers) then you can do everything on the
evolver wirelessly.

I still don't know why you'd want to all this, though. 

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Actually, I belive the pedal and breath controller inputs on the MONO Evolver Keyboard are labeled as CV1 & CV2. 

And to answer your question, Tom, YES pedal/cv1 and breath/cv2 ARE mod destinations..... So Tom, before you go out and buy a $1200 keyboard to experiment on, I recommend you send an email to Dave Smith asking him what voltages levels are safe for the CV1 & CV2 inputs. He is very quick to respond to most queries.

-Jim

----- Original Message ----
From: Julian <jujulilianan@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Evolver] A wireless ZigBee Enabled Evolver???

as far as I know, the evolver does not have cv inputs. 

it has external signal inputs.

they're very different things.

I think the external signal input can be used to generate an amplitude
envelope, that can then be used as a mod source, but since I never use
evolver as a signal processor, I could be wrong.

Anyway - why bother with CV? 
why not use zigbee to just send MIDI to the evolver?

you can do PLENTY with the evolver using MIDI (SysEx especially) you
can tweak any parameter at all. And if you can program your zigbee
adapters to generate these sysex messages from generic MIDI controller
data that you would send over the air (should be trivial for someone who
knows how to code microcontrollers) then you can do everything on the
evolver wirelessly.

I still don't know why you'd want to all this, though. 

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