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sonic staircases

sonic staircases

2008-04-25 by staplesyrup

much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped control of a modular synth 
seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible stepping when you change them 
on the fly.

 env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line,  sounds terrible when tweaked 
live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of make up for this its true, but i can't 
help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the parametrs were smoothed.

as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i can't see the point in having 
alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the sound. they look nice, but how much 
nicer with smooth control!

Re: sonic staircases

2008-04-25 by Jason

I agree. I'd love to see a mono version of the P'08 manufactured with
actual pots instead of the rotary encoders.

I love my desktop Evolver. I'll never get rid of it. But real pots
would make it even better.

Not everyone will agree though. Some people don't like the jump in
parameter values that comes with saving a patch on a synth with real
pots. If you're a real-time knob tweaker, you'll appreciate pots. And
I mean "on the fly", like you were talking about with the ENV1
parameter. But if you're more the type of person who programs patches
and then plays them without live tweaking, the rotary encoders are better.


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "staplesyrup" <staplesyrup@...> wrote:
>
> much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped control
of a modular synth 
> seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible stepping
when you change them 
> on the fly.
> 
>  env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line,  sounds
terrible when tweaked 
> live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of make up for
this its true, but i can't 
> help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the
parametrs were smoothed.
> 
> as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i
can't see the point in having 
> alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the sound. they
look nice, but how much 
> nicer with smooth control!
>

RE: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

2008-04-26 by M-.-n

I might be wrong (coz I didn't test it yet) but I think the midi modulators are 'smoothed' out and therefore won't jump. It's kind of a workaround, even tho it means you need an additional tweaker next to you.
Can anybody confirm this ?
Marc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: vendredi 25 avril 2008 22:13
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

I agree. I'd love to see a mono version of the P'08 manufactured with
actual pots instead of the rotary encoders.

I love my desktop Evolver. I'll never get rid of it. But real pots
would make it even better.

Not everyone will agree though. Some people don't like the jump in
parameter values that comes with saving a patch on a synth with real
pots. If you're a real-time knob tweaker, you'll appreciate pots. And
I mean "on the fly", like you were talking about with the ENV1
parameter. But if you're more the type of person who programs patches
and then plays them without live tweaking, the rotary encoders are better.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "staplesyrup" <;staplesyrup@...> wrote:
>
> much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped control
of a modular synth
> seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible stepping
when you change them
> on the fly.
>
> env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line, sounds
terrible when tweaked
> live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of make up for
this its true, but i can't
> help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the
parametrs were smoothed.
>
> as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i
can't see the point in having
> alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the sound. they
look nice, but how much
> nicer with smooth control!
>

Re: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

2008-04-26 by Bob S.

What are calling midi modulators? External midi controls and sliders? If so, they have digital discrete steps also, 128 for the most part and can cause zipper also. Zipper control is an internal synth function, software that smoothes the steps between the midi or encoder steps kind of like glide for modulation.
Speaking of that, once again, I don't have an evolver yet, will some day, but my Waldorf XT has a function, a lag function for the modulation path, that filters the transition of modulation signals.....if the DSI has that, it could possibly be used in line with the modulation source to remove some of the zipper effect....
Bob
El Segundo, CA
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----- Original Message -----
From: M-.-n
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

I might be wrong (coz I didn't test it yet) but I think the midi modulators are 'smoothed' out and therefore won't jump. It's kind of a workaround, even tho it means you need an additional tweaker next to you.
Can anybody confirm this ?
Marc.
-----Original Message-----
From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: vendredi 25 avril 2008 22:13
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

I agree. I'd love to see a mono version of the P'08 manufactured with
actual pots instead of the rotary encoders.

I love my desktop Evolver. I'll never get rid of it. But real pots
would make it even better.

Not everyone will agree though. Some people don't like the jump in
parameter values that comes with saving a patch on a synth with real
pots. If you're a real-time knob tweaker, you'll appreciate pots. And
I mean "on the fly", like you were talking about with the ENV1
parameter. But if you're more the type of person who programs patches
and then plays them without live tweaking, the rotary encoders are better.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "staplesyrup" ...> wrote:
>
> much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped control
of a modular synth
> seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible stepping
when you change them
> on the fly.
>
> env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line, sounds
terrible when tweaked
> live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of make up for
this its true, but i can't
> help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the
parametrs were smoothed.
>
> as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i
can't see the point in having
> alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the sound. they
look nice, but how much
> nicer with smooth control!
>

[Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

2008-04-26 by Jason

If you mean internal modulation, like assigning an LFO source to an
Oscillator destination within the Evolver itself, then yes, I think
those values are smoothed.

When tweaking knobs on the Evolver, or from an external MIDI
controller, you get stepped values. The manual says the Filter
Frequency parameter has smoothing applied when tweaked from a knob,
but I think that's the only one.

Again, I'm not trying to be negative here. I love the sound of my
Evolver :) Just a little wishful thinking.


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "M-.-n" <nostromo@...> wrote:
>
> 
> I might be wrong (coz I didn't test it yet) but I think the midi
modulators
> are 'smoothed' out and therefore won't jump. It's kind of a
workaround, even
> tho it means you need an additional tweaker next to you.
> 
> Can anybody confirm this ?
> 
> Marc.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Jason
>   Sent: vendredi 25 avril 2008 22:13
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases
> 
> 
>   I agree. I'd love to see a mono version of the P'08 manufactured with
>   actual pots instead of the rotary encoders.
> 
>   I love my desktop Evolver. I'll never get rid of it. But real pots
>   would make it even better.
> 
>   Not everyone will agree though. Some people don't like the jump in
>   parameter values that comes with saving a patch on a synth with real
>   pots. If you're a real-time knob tweaker, you'll appreciate pots. And
>   I mean "on the fly", like you were talking about with the ENV1
>   parameter. But if you're more the type of person who programs patches
>   and then plays them without live tweaking, the rotary encoders are
better.
> 
>   --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "staplesyrup" <staplesyrup@>
wrote:
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>   >
>   > much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped control
>   of a modular synth
>   > seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible stepping
>   when you change them
>   > on the fly.
>   >
>   > env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line, sounds
>   terrible when tweaked
>   > live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of make up for
>   this its true, but i can't
>   > help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the
>   parametrs were smoothed.
>   >
>   > as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i
>   can't see the point in having
>   > alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the sound. they
>   look nice, but how much
>   > nicer with smooth control!
>   >
>

Re: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases

2008-04-27 by DB

Is he using Midi CC or is he using Sysex?



Bob S. wrote:
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>
> *What are calling midi modulators?  External midi controls and 
> sliders? If so, they have digital discrete steps also, 128 for the 
> most part and can cause zipper also.  Zipper control is an internal 
> synth function, software that smoothes the steps between the midi or 
> encoder steps kind of like glide for modulation.*
> ** 
> *Speaking of that, once again, I don't have an evolver yet, will some 
> day, but my Waldorf XT has a function, a lag function for the 
> modulation path, that filters the transition of modulation 
> signals.....if the DSI has that, it could possibly be used in line 
> with the modulation source to remove some of the zipper effect....*
> ** 
> *Bob*
> *El Segundo, CA*
> ** 
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* M-.-n <mailto:nostromo@...>
>     *To:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, April 26, 2008 7:12 AM
>     *Subject:* RE: [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases
>
>      
>     I might be wrong (coz I didn't test it yet) but I think the midi
>     modulators are 'smoothed' out and therefore won't jump. It's kind
>     of a workaround, even tho it means you need an additional tweaker
>     next to you.
>      
>     Can anybody confirm this ?
>      
>     Marc.
>      
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com>
>         [mailto:DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Jason
>         *Sent:* vendredi 25 avril 2008 22:13
>         *To:* DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>         *Subject:* [Evolver] Re: sonic staircases
>
>         I agree. I'd love to see a mono version of the P'08
>         manufactured with
>         actual pots instead of the rotary encoders.
>
>         I love my desktop Evolver. I'll never get rid of it. But real pots
>         would make it even better.
>
>         Not everyone will agree though. Some people don't like the jump in
>         parameter values that comes with saving a patch on a synth
>         with real
>         pots. If you're a real-time knob tweaker, you'll appreciate
>         pots. And
>         I mean "on the fly", like you were talking about with the ENV1
>         parameter. But if you're more the type of person who programs
>         patches
>         and then plays them without live tweaking, the rotary encoders
>         are better.
>
>         --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>, "staplesyrup"
>         <staplesyrup@...> wrote:
>         >
>         > much as i love my 2 evolvers , the whole concept of stepped
>         control
>         of a modular synth
>         > seems a bit flawed to me. so many parameters have audible
>         stepping
>         when you change them
>         > on the fly.
>         >
>         > env1 amount for instance, essential to tweak any acid line,
>         sounds
>         terrible when tweaked
>         > live, all kind of discontinuities. the sequencer kind of
>         make up for
>         this its true, but i can't
>         > help thinnking how powerful the evolver would be if all the
>         parametrs were smoothed.
>         >
>         > as for the keyboard versions of the evolver and poly evolver, i
>         can't see the point in having
>         > alot of knobs that do not provide smooth control of the
>         sound. they
>         look nice, but how much
>         > nicer with smooth control!
>         >
>
>

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