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DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-26 by quarlofx

A wise old friend of mine once opined: "Ya think long, ya think
wrong." 
 
Never one to pay heed to such wisdom, I've been agonizing over the
differences between the two subject kits.  The XtremeIIS has *all* the
bells and whistles I could conceive of now and in the forseeable
future, but has the larger price and footprint.  Ed's recommendation
(thanks again, Ed!) of visiting Drumbalaya has taken the price out of
the equation for me, but the footprint is still somewhat of a
concern.  

Has anyone seen/played both kits so as to be able to render an opinion
on the size differential between the two?  It appears to be
significant in the photos, but I will never be able to sit behind
either before I buy and would love to hear an opinion (or two, or
...).  As always, any and all advice will be gratefully appreciated.

FX

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-27 by drumsonly2002

I own a DTXT-2 and seen a DTXpress 3 (not SP) in the music store. 
Took it for a very quick spin and it appears to have the same 
samples (very nice I must add) as the DTXT-2. I do remember being 
very impressed and thought maybe I should have bought that unit and 
saved some bucks. But I didn't know they existed unitl that day so I 
never had the chance to A/B the units. I will go back and do a more 
in depth trial of the unit. Before the end of the week I will 
provide an honest evalueation of that kit verses mine. Sometimes 
less is more if it gets the job done. Never tried to use the 
advanced features on my module thus could have purchased that unit 
knowing it was available. But then again it's nice to have the flag 
ship for bragging rights heh. Well, I am a nuts and bolts kind of 
guy so you can be sure I will not doll up any comments I make about 
my DTXT-2's vs 3's.

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-27 by quarlofx

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> I will go back and do a more in depth trial of the unit. Before 
> the end of the week I will provide an honest evalueation of that 
> kit verses mine.

Wow!  What can I say except thank you from the bottom of my wallet
(and heart)?  That would be more than I ever hoped for and would give
me the peace of mind I am missing.  Since I am coming from a point of
near total ignorance as regards e-drums, I can only guess what
features I might want after getting comfortable with a kit.  I like
the added inputs, USB connectivity, sound imports, etc. with the
DTXT-2, but I don't need another room-eating monster either.  I have
no desire to buy more than I need, but do want to get something I can
grow into rather than out of.  

> Well, I am a nuts and bolts kind of guy so you can be sure I will
> not doll up any comments I make about my DTXT-2's vs 3's.

While I am a complete newbie here, I have read enough of your comments
to know that is the absolute truth.  Between you and Ed I have never
encountered a more unbiased and fair representation of opinion on any
message board/user group that I have ever frequented.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

FX

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-27 by Dan Cheak

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "quarlofx" <quarlo@e...> wrote:
>   I like
> the added inputs, USB connectivity, sound imports, etc. with the
> DTXT-2, but I don't need another room-eating monster either.  I 
have
> no desire to buy more than I need, but do want to get something I 
can
> grow into rather than out of.  
> 
>
> 
> 
Quarlofx! 
    "Been there, done that".....recently. I bought the DTXtremeIIS 
totally unseen/ unheard. My take is that you won't be disppointed 
either way. These are GREAT kits with KILLER sounds. DTXIIS=More $$ 
for more growth?- DO IT ..IF you'll really use it! Otherwise, save 
some bucks and enjoy a truely cool sounding Express kit. And, I 
don't think the space requirements are THAT different (DTXIIS is a 
little deeper). Mine is on a 5'x 5' pad (picture in "photo" 
section). My guess is (ask other members) the DTXPIII would work on 
a 5'x 4'pad. I'm an old f*rt drummer who went straight from a '70's 
Ludwig Vistalite (which was too loud/large to play at home) to the 
DTXIIS. The new rubber pads are INCREDIBLE feeling. Close your eyes- 
your on acoustic heads...only BETTER!- SOFTER without tension lugs I 
feel I've dropped 20 years!!! It's revitalizing to be able to crank 
away again without disturbing anyone- then watch their faces when 
they slide on the headphones! The DTXIIS is pretty deep in function 
( but user friendly- just NOT the manual)and will provide a longtime 
challenge for us ole-folks. Shoot! I don't expect to get hit with 
the upgrade bug for ...uuhhhh...errrr..wellll... awhile!(provided I 
NEVER EVER EVER look at OGD's 'planned take-over of the Northern 
Hemisphere' Kit again!!!
Relax, think, enjoy!!! 
Dan

RE: [DTXpress] DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-27 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

To help with size perspective. The vertical uprights on the DtxIIIsp and the
DTxIIS are the same at about 36". When you take the arm on the right side
holding the "floor" tom on the IIIsp, the rack for the the IIS is maybe 8"
longer.  My suggestion would be to find the spot where you are planning on
putting it, and create a "mockup" identify the two/three vertical post
locations at 36" on center. One thing to take note of is that the the TP65
pads are 8" and the TP100 are 10", but if you look at the rack spacing on
the IIIsp, the TP65 are spaced far apart and on the IIS the TP100 are closer
together, hence, this is because the vertical supports on the front of the
rack are the same. Which means that for the most part that with the
exception of the fourth tom pad on the IIS, you really won't see that big of
a difference in overall size. If you were talking about the IIIstd, with the
half round PCY pads, the rack could set closer to a wall/corner than the
rack with the round PCY pads.
 
Another consideration, if you buy the IIISP, with the money you save, you
can buy a few extra pads and a nice amplifier/monitor. The result will be a
larger kit coming closer to the size of the IIS. The point is most folks
will end up expanding thier kits with additional pads to consume the two
spare inputs on the IIISP and you will end up with a larger kit the size of
the IIS anyway.
 
So, I wouldn't buy based on the physically size issue, unless it really is
going to be squeezed into a small corner. If you look in the photo gallery
at my older kit (rather larger), the floor mattes it is sitting on are
24"X24" interlocking squares. The distance from the corner of the room to
the edge of the mats is both direction is about 52". 
 
I think if you are buy because of the sound, you would not be disappointed
by either module. If you can afford the IIS, I would buy that and if you
find that initially you have a space problem, you can always cut back to
using say just three of the tom pads instead of all four, and use the fourth
tom pad as a snare pad. This would reduce the size of the kit down to the
size of the IIISP.
 
Just my 2 cents.
 
OGD 

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Subject: [DTXpress] DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme


A wise old friend of mine once opined: "Ya think long, ya think
wrong." 

Never one to pay heed to such wisdom, I've been agonizing over the
differences between the two subject kits.  The XtremeIIS has *all* the
bells and whistles I could conceive of now and in the forseeable
future, but has the larger price and footprint.  Ed's recommendation
(thanks again, Ed!) of visiting Drumbalaya has taken the price out of
the equation for me, but the footprint is still somewhat of a
concern.  

Has anyone seen/played both kits so as to be able to render an opinion
on the size differential between the two?  It appears to be
significant in the photos, but I will never be able to sit behind
either before I buy and would love to hear an opinion (or two, or
...).  As always, any and all advice will be gratefully appreciated.

FX



 
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Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-27 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "quarlofx" <quarlo@e...> wrote:
> A wise old friend of mine once opined: "Ya think long, ya think
> wrong." 
> 

My wise granny used to say, "act in haste, repent at leisure".  I
wonder who is right?

Keith.

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-28 by quarlofx

Dan and OGD -

Thanks for all of the great info - can't tell you how much it helps
and how much I appreciate it. My concerns are definitely founded on
having somewhat limited space to setup a kit given that my other
musical toys (several guitars and other stringed things, amps,
keyboard, etc.) all must coexist in one room. My acoustic kit pretty
much overwhelmed the space and I am trying to get an idea of how this
would compare. The pictures of the DTXT2S made it seem (to my failing
eyes, anyway) that it might be significantly larger. You have given
me exactly what I needed to know that this is not the case and that I
can fit either one in comfortably. It sounds like either one would
make me a very, very happy camper.

It's also great to know these are kind to the age-challenged as well.
Having just crossed over into AARP-land I need all the help I can
get!

Perhaps one day I will become accustomed to the incredibly helpful
folks here, but I am still blown away by it. Thank you, as always,
for the excellent assistance!

FX

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-28 by Dan Cheak

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "quarlofx" <quarlo@e...> wrote:
> Dan and OGD - 
> 
> Thanks for all of the great info - can't tell you how much it helps
> and how much I appreciate it....    It sounds like either one would
> make me a very, very happy camper.
> 
> It's also great to know these are kind to the age-challenged as 
well.
> Having just crossed over into AARP-land I need all the help I can
> get!
> 
> Perhaps one day I will become accustomed to the incredibly helpful
> folks  here, but I am still blown away by it.  Thank you, as 
always,
> for the excellent assistance!
> 
> FX

You are most welcome!! 
   I cannot help much with technical issues ( leave that to the 
AMAZING OGD and Ed- these guys are walking e-drum/Yamaha 
encyclopedias) as I'm just an old f*rt trying to learn some new 
tricks myself! You're right! This forum is great for getting good 
help QUICKLY!... and without bias! As I dig further into this 
module, I, too, will be relying on this site for more and more for 
assistance. Best of luck with your decision.. the good news 
is:....YOU CAN'T GO WRONG!
Dan

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-28 by quarlofx

Dan, 
I saw your kit (Cheakster's DTXtremeIIS) over at eDrumming.com -
SWE-E-E-E-E-E-T!  I am drooling all over my shoes as a result!!  (Not
unusual for us oldsters, but this time there's a reason!)  What is the
little rectangular box to the right of the module?   A monitor, I am
guessing, but ... ignorance reigns and inquiring (demented) minds want
to know.  Thanks!

Re: DTXIIISP vs DTXtreme

2004-07-28 by Dan Cheak

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "quarlofx" <quarlo@e...> wrote:
> Dan, 
> I saw your kit (Cheakster's DTXtremeIIS) over at eDrumming.com -
> SWE-E-E-E-E-E-T!  I am drooling all over my shoes as a result!!  
(Not
> unusual for us oldsters, but this time there's a reason!)  What is 
the
> little rectangular box to the right of the module?   A monitor, I 
am
> guessing, but ... ignorance reigns and inquiring (demented) minds 
want
> to know.  Thanks!

Yes. I'm using a Roland PM3 Monitor which consists of a double 
woofer floor cabinet and two rack mounted satellite speakers. It' a 
100 watt system that's O.K. for home use. I had the 50watt Yamaha 
and returned it- terrible reproduction! I started to order the 100 
watt Yammi version (probably just as good), but went with the 
Roland. with many stereo sounds, I like the idea of "split" speakers 
rather than just a single amp.The kit is sitting on a foam pad that 
fits together like puzzle pieces! The large drool cup is on the 
floor just out of the picture-lol. I can't tell you how much I love 
this kit!!!
If you have other Q's, just ask away!
Later
Dan

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