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Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads

Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads

2004-10-29 by vap19592000

Greetings to all..

Hope the DTXpress is keeping you all quite busy and the exploration, 
is still continuing...as usual.

Just came up with a radical idea...hoping to get some intelligent 
feedback..
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Subject: TP65S snare pad.

Pad Type: 3 ZONE, with 1 x pad sound and 2 x rim sound. 

Connection: Stereo cable from module to pad.

Question: Is it possible to "SPLIT" the zones, and assign them to 
SEPARATE pads(2 x PAD SOUNDS...original pad and another pad for dual 
snare; RIM SOUND #1 to another pad; RIM SOUND #2 to another pad. So I 
am using a TOTAL of 4 pads including the TP65S.

Example: PAD SOUND leave as is on the TP65S, but send this signal to 
another pad for a DUAL snare. (One for the left hand and one for the 
right. . RIM SOUND # 1 to a SEPARATE PAD and RIM SOUND # 2 to a 
SEPARATE PAD.

Assumption: I figured that if I SPLIT the SIGNAL from the module as 
such, I MAY be successful.....please acknowledge..

1. USE A "Y" STEREO CABLE. 1 X OUTPUT STEREO SPLIT TO 2 X STEREO 
OUTPUTS.
2. ON STEREO OUTPUT # A: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT STEREO 
TO TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO #1 TO RIM SOUND #1(PAD 1) AND MONO 
#2 TO RIM SOUND #2(PAD #2).

3. STEREO OUTPUT # B: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT STEREO TO 
TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO # 1 TO THE ORIGINAL TP65S FOR PAD 
SOUND (SNARE #1)...
AND CONNECT MONO # 2 TO PAD # 4 FOR PAD SOUND (SNARE # 2). 

When ALL connections verified, assign the respective PAD SOUNDS to 
the respective pads in the "drum kit voice edit" mode and "trigger 
setup edit" mode.

Phew!!!! does this make sense, and IS IT POSSIBLE???. Your turn 
Guys??? 

Best Wishes and HAPPY DRUMMING!!

Re: Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads

2004-10-29 by vap19592000

OGD

You are a WEALTH of knowledge. Thanks for the quick reply... The very 
well narrated description below, has made me understand how the 
piezo's work...

"In Knowledge lies strength"



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> The short answer is (well maybe not so short):
>  
> For the rim switches on the TP65S to function, the main pad piezo 
must
> trigger near simultaneously with the striking of the rim switch. 
For example
> if you were to take the pad apart, you would see the rim switches 
are
> attached to the bottom plastic frame and the piezo is attached to 
the
> underside of the top rubber pad surface. If you move the rubber pad 
surface
> away from the plastic housing so that when you hit the rim switch 
only,
> without causing the piezo also to trigger, you will get absolutely 
no sound
> at all.
>  
> Think of it like this, when the TP65S is hit anywhere the piezo is 
going to
> vibrate. The module detects that the piezo is vibrating, but before 
telling
> the tone generator to send the "snare" sound to the output jacks, 
it checks
> to see if either of the rim switches has also been closed. If 
neither of the
> rim switches have been hit, then the sound that comes out the 
module is the
> main pad voice. If the Piezo triggers and the module detects that 
the rim1
> switch has also been activated, then it tells the tone generator to 
send out
> a "rim shot" sound. If the piezo triggers and the module detects 
that the
> rim2 switch has also been activated, then it tells the tone 
generator to
> send out a "cross-stick" sound. 
>  
> But if only the rim1 switch is closed without the peizo triggering, 
no sound
> will be sent out. The same is true for the rim2 switch.
>  
> Thus, without the magic box (see photo gallery) that is still in 
the R&D
> shop, you really can't split the rim zones out and assign them to 
other
> pads.
>  
> What you can do is to parallel two pads together. So that if you 
want a
> snare (TP65S) in the center of your kit and a second snare (to the 
left of
> the hihat) you can just use a stereo Y-splitter cable and connect 
both pads
> into input no. 2. But.....they will both have the same sound, for 
pad, rim1
> and rim2. This would also work with two PCY65S, one on the right 
side of the
> kit and one on the left side of the kit for crashes, but they again 
would
> share the same sound.
>  
> This is a topic that comes up about once every six months, that 
almost
> everyone thinks about when they first get their kit and wants to 
expand it,
> without adding a second module.
>  
> OGD
> 
>    _____  
> 
> From: vap19592000 [mailto:vap19592000@y...] 
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to 
different pads
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings to all..
> 
> Hope the DTXpress is keeping you all quite busy and the 
exploration, 
> is still continuing...as usual.
> 
> Just came up with a radical idea...hoping to get some intelligent 
> feedback..
> 
> Subject: TP65S snare pad.
> 
> Pad Type: 3 ZONE, with 1 x pad sound and 2 x rim sound. 
> 
> Connection: Stereo cable from module to pad.
> 
> Question: Is it possible to "SPLIT" the zones, and assign them to 
> SEPARATE pads(2 x PAD SOUNDS...original pad and another pad for 
dual 
> snare; RIM SOUND #1 to another pad; RIM SOUND #2 to another pad. So 
I 
> am using a TOTAL of 4 pads including the TP65S.
> 
> Example: PAD SOUND leave as is on the TP65S, but send this signal 
to 
> another pad for a DUAL snare. (One for the left hand and one for 
the 
> right. . RIM SOUND # 1 to a SEPARATE PAD and RIM SOUND # 2 to a 
> SEPARATE PAD.
> 
> Assumption: I figured that if I SPLIT the SIGNAL from the module as 
> such, I MAY be successful.....please acknowledge..
> 
> 1. USE A "Y" STEREO CABLE. 1 X OUTPUT STEREO SPLIT TO 2 X STEREO 
> OUTPUTS.
> 2. ON STEREO OUTPUT # A: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT 
STEREO 
> TO TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO #1 TO RIM SOUND #1(PAD 1) AND 
MONO 
> #2 TO RIM SOUND #2(PAD #2).
> 
> 3. STEREO OUTPUT # B: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT STEREO 
TO 
> TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO # 1 TO THE ORIGINAL TP65S FOR PAD 
> SOUND (SNARE #1)...
> AND CONNECT MONO # 2 TO PAD # 4 FOR PAD SOUND (SNARE # 2). 
> 
> When ALL connections verified, assign the respective PAD SOUNDS to 
> the respective pads in the "drum kit voice edit" mode and "trigger 
> setup edit" mode.
> 
> Phew!!!! does this make sense, and IS IT POSSIBLE???. Your turn 
> Guys??? 
> 
> Best Wishes and HAPPY DRUMMING!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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RE: [DTXpress] Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads

2004-10-29 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

The short answer is (well maybe not so short):
 
For the rim switches on the TP65S to function, the main pad piezo must
trigger near simultaneously with the striking of the rim switch. For example
if you were to take the pad apart, you would see the rim switches are
attached to the bottom plastic frame and the piezo is attached to the
underside of the top rubber pad surface. If you move the rubber pad surface
away from the plastic housing so that when you hit the rim switch only,
without causing the piezo also to trigger, you will get absolutely no sound
at all.
 
Think of it like this, when the TP65S is hit anywhere the piezo is going to
vibrate. The module detects that the piezo is vibrating, but before telling
the tone generator to send the "snare" sound to the output jacks, it checks
to see if either of the rim switches has also been closed. If neither of the
rim switches have been hit, then the sound that comes out the module is the
main pad voice. If the Piezo triggers and the module detects that the rim1
switch has also been activated, then it tells the tone generator to send out
a "rim shot" sound. If the piezo triggers and the module detects that the
rim2 switch has also been activated, then it tells the tone generator to
send out a "cross-stick" sound. 
 
But if only the rim1 switch is closed without the peizo triggering, no sound
will be sent out. The same is true for the rim2 switch.
 
Thus, without the magic box (see photo gallery) that is still in the R&D
shop, you really can't split the rim zones out and assign them to other
pads.
 
What you can do is to parallel two pads together. So that if you want a
snare (TP65S) in the center of your kit and a second snare (to the left of
the hihat) you can just use a stereo Y-splitter cable and connect both pads
into input no. 2. But.....they will both have the same sound, for pad, rim1
and rim2. This would also work with two PCY65S, one on the right side of the
kit and one on the left side of the kit for crashes, but they again would
share the same sound.
 
This is a topic that comes up about once every six months, that almost
everyone thinks about when they first get their kit and wants to expand it,
without adding a second module.
 
OGD

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From: vap19592000 [mailto:vap19592000@...] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:14 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads



Greetings to all..

Hope the DTXpress is keeping you all quite busy and the exploration, 
is still continuing...as usual.

Just came up with a radical idea...hoping to get some intelligent 
feedback..

Subject: TP65S snare pad.

Pad Type: 3 ZONE, with 1 x pad sound and 2 x rim sound. 

Connection: Stereo cable from module to pad.

Question: Is it possible to "SPLIT" the zones, and assign them to 
SEPARATE pads(2 x PAD SOUNDS...original pad and another pad for dual 
snare; RIM SOUND #1 to another pad; RIM SOUND #2 to another pad. So I 
am using a TOTAL of 4 pads including the TP65S.

Example: PAD SOUND leave as is on the TP65S, but send this signal to 
another pad for a DUAL snare. (One for the left hand and one for the 
right. . RIM SOUND # 1 to a SEPARATE PAD and RIM SOUND # 2 to a 
SEPARATE PAD.

Assumption: I figured that if I SPLIT the SIGNAL from the module as 
such, I MAY be successful.....please acknowledge..

1. USE A "Y" STEREO CABLE. 1 X OUTPUT STEREO SPLIT TO 2 X STEREO 
OUTPUTS.
2. ON STEREO OUTPUT # A: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT STEREO 
TO TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO #1 TO RIM SOUND #1(PAD 1) AND MONO 
#2 TO RIM SOUND #2(PAD #2).

3. STEREO OUTPUT # B: ADD ANOTHER "Y" CABLE WITH ONE OUTPUT STEREO TO 
TWO MONO OUTPUTS. CONNECT MONO # 1 TO THE ORIGINAL TP65S FOR PAD 
SOUND (SNARE #1)...
AND CONNECT MONO # 2 TO PAD # 4 FOR PAD SOUND (SNARE # 2). 

When ALL connections verified, assign the respective PAD SOUNDS to 
the respective pads in the "drum kit voice edit" mode and "trigger 
setup edit" mode.

Phew!!!! does this make sense, and IS IT POSSIBLE???. Your turn 
Guys??? 

Best Wishes and HAPPY DRUMMING!!




 
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Re: Splitting 3 zone pad (TP65S) signals to different pads

2004-10-30 by Keith

> Thus, without the magic box (see photo gallery) that is still in the R&D
> shop, you really can't split the rim zones out and assign them to other
> pads.

A mark II Magic Box is currently being tested.  I am still not sure
when it will be suitable for the unsuspecting public.  

Keith.

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