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Kick Pedal Bounce

Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by rjbb2

Hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to this group and a new DTXpress IIIS
owner.  I've only had my set for about 3 days, so the tweaking has
just begun.  Overall, I'm really impressed with the sound.  Actually
impressed is an understatement!  It has blown me away!

My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on the
kick and pedal.  The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
extra (where I dont want it) beat.  It's not a double trigger.  I have
adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
completely get rid of this extra bounce.  It could be simply related
to my playing style?  I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
start sticking things all over the place.  Anyone have any
suggestions?  or Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by Mario

Hi and welcome to group, First let me say that over time your bass pad will deteriorat with all the beating it takes so for me I have protect it with a mouse pad that I have cut to fit the pad and it work absolutely good less bounce and good protection .
tommy
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----- Original Message -----
From: rjbb2
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce



Hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to this group and a new DTXpress IIIS
owner. I've only had my set for about 3 days, so the tweaking has
just begun. Overall, I'm really impressed with the sound. Actually
impressed is an understatement! It has blown me away!

My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on the
kick and pedal. The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
extra (where I dont want it) beat. It's not a double trigger. I have
adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
completely get rid of this extra bounce. It could be simply related
to my playing style? I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
start sticking things all over the place. Anyone have any
suggestions? or Anyone else experiencing this problem?








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Re: Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "rjbb2" <rjbb2@y...> wrote:
 
> My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on 
the
> kick and pedal.  The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
> extra (where I dont want it) beat.  It's not a double trigger.  I 
have
> adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
> completely get rid of this extra bounce.  It could be simply related
> to my playing style?  I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
> stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
> start sticking things all over the place.  Anyone have any
> suggestions?  or Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Hi and welcome,

The pedal bouncing against the Yamaha's relatively hard surface is an 
occupational hazard, though people have often mistaken it as an 
inherent tendency toward double triggers. It points to a fundamental 
difference between acoustic kicks and electronic ones.  With an 
acoustic, you can strike the kick and leave your foot near the head 
with impunity; not so with an electronic bass drum. Any proximity of 
the pedal to the pad after striking risks a stray trigger, even if 
the contact has no force behind it. You can minimize the effect by 
reducing the kick's gain and raising its minimum velocity, rendering 
it less sensitive. You can also be conscious of letting the beater 
bounce away from the pad without rebounding on the weight of your 
foot. Also, placing some kind of adhesive surface on the pad isn't 
necessarily a bad idea, for more reasons than one. Many people use a 
bass drum patch or even a second (softer) rubber surface, like a 
piece of mouse pad or a bicycle tire patch, to protect the kick pad, 
as well as the foam behind it, from deterioration over time. By the 
way, not all kick pads are as susceptible to bounce--whether mesh 
heads or other rubber ones, like the Drumtech, which has a specially 
textured surface to absorb blows a little more like an acoustic head.

Ed

Re: Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by rjbb2

Wow ... well thanks for the super quick replies!  I can see where a
mouse pad cut to fit would do the trick.  May I ask how you attached it?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Mario <robax@g...> wrote:
> Hi and welcome to group, First let me say that over time your bass
pad will deteriorat with all the beating it takes so for me I have
protect it with a mouse pad that I have cut to fit the pad and it work
absolutely good less bounce and good protection . 
> 
> 
> tommy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: rjbb2 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:55 AM
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to this group and a new DTXpress IIIS
>   owner.  I've only had my set for about 3 days, so the tweaking has
>   just begun.  Overall, I'm really impressed with the sound.  Actually
>   impressed is an understatement!  It has blown me away!
> 
>   My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on the
>   kick and pedal.  The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
>   extra (where I dont want it) beat.  It's not a double trigger.  I have
>   adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
>   completely get rid of this extra bounce.  It could be simply related
>   to my playing style?  I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
>   stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
>   start sticking things all over the place.  Anyone have any
>   suggestions?  or Anyone else experiencing this problem?
> 
> 
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Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by Stuart McConaghy

The bounce back comes from you trying to "bury the beater", let the 
beater come back naturally, you'll eliminate the bounce on the pad 
entirely. Absolutely no re-adjustment of trigger settings needed, just 
proper technique. Playing electronics requires a slight re-adjustment 
of playing technique, due to the nature of the striking surfaces, and 
if you keep that in mind, you'll be able to eliminate that "dribbling" 
of the beater on the kick pad pretty easily. The December issue of 
Modern Drummer has a great workshop article on un-burying the beater, 
which you should check out.

Stuart McConaghy
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On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 07:55 AM, rjbb2 wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to this group and a new DTXpress IIIS
> owner.  I've only had my set for about 3 days, so the tweaking has
> just begun.  Overall, I'm really impressed with the sound.  Actually
> impressed is an understatement!  It has blown me away!
>
> My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on the
> kick and pedal.  The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
> extra (where I dont want it) beat.  It's not a double trigger.  I have
> adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
> completely get rid of this extra bounce.  It could be simply related
> to my playing style?  I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
> stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
> start sticking things all over the place.  Anyone have any
> suggestions?  or Anyone else experiencing this problem?
>
>

Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-16 by Ken

Once you master the technique, you will not only be able to control the double bounce, you can also produce a neat roll on the kick using a double pedal. Makes for an interesting fill.
Ken
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pedal Bounce

The bounce back comes from you trying to "bury the beater", let the
beater come back naturally, you'll eliminate the bounce on the pad
entirely. Absolutely no re-adjustment of trigger settings needed, just
proper technique. Playing electronics requires a slight re-adjustment
of playing technique, due to the nature of the striking surfaces, and
if you keep that in mind, you'll be able to eliminate that "dribbling"
of the beater on the kick pad pretty easily. The December issue of
Modern Drummer has a great workshop article on un-burying the beater,
which you should check out.

Stuart McConaghy

On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 07:55 AM, rjbb2 wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello to everyone, I'm a newbie to this group and a new DTXpress IIIS
> owner. I've only had my set for about 3 days, so the tweaking has
> just begun. Overall, I'm really impressed with the sound. Actually
> impressed is an understatement! It has blown me away!
>
> My only problem so far, I seem the be getting some extra bounce on the
> kick and pedal. The beater wants to bounce on the kick creating an
> extra (where I dont want it) beat. It's not a double trigger. I have
> adjusted the beater angle, and spring tension but can not seem to
> completely get rid of this extra bounce. It could be simply related
> to my playing style? I've been thinking that maybe a piece of
> stick-on felt attached to the kick rubber may help? But I hate to
> start sticking things all over the place. Anyone have any
> suggestions? or Anyone else experiencing this problem?
>
>



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Re: Kick Pedal Bounce

2004-11-17 by rdarby1st

I cured the kick bounce/pad errosion problem with a piece of "felt" 
5 mm thick designed to stop furniture from scratching wooden floors 
(available in hardware stores) - I used contact adhesive (Evo Stick) 
as this doesn't seem to effect the pad surface - it does need re 
sticking occasionaly though! Hope this helps - RD

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