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Getting the upgrade bug...again.

Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Brett Andrighetti

Hey all. Just have a few quick questions for those that may have the know.
I was considering getting some Pintech ConcertCast Silentech Single, and Dual Zone, pads to use with my DTXpress2. How compatible, or problematic are non-Yamaha mesh heads when plugged into the DTXP2 brain? Too hot? Too cold? Just right? Would love to hear from someone with the knowledge and experience of combining the two mighty units/pieces together.
Brett
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Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett Andrighetti" 
<snootchtothenootch@c...> wrote:
> Hey all.  Just have a few quick questions for those that may have 
the know.
> 
> I was considering getting some Pintech ConcertCast Silentech 
Single, and Dual Zone, pads to use with my DTXpress2.  How 
compatible, or problematic are non-Yamaha mesh heads when plugged 
into the DTXP2 brain?  Too hot?  Too cold?  Just right?  Would love 
to hear from someone with the knowledge and experience of combining 
the two mighty units/pieces together.

Brett,

The Yamaha module's experience with other companies' pads is a little 
like Goldielocks' experience with porridge--a little too hot or a 
little too cold. That said, however, the Pintech meshes have always 
been a logical upgrade from Yamaha's gum rubber. The degree of 
difficulty in making the match work depends partly on your level of 
tolerance, partly on your playing style, and partly on your patience. 
I'm a bit reluctant to go into extreme detail on this point, since I 
and others have done it to death over the years. But remember first 
that the dual-zone pad will require two inputs, usually #2 and one-
half of # 9/10 (for the rim). When used with the settings for your 
rubber pads, the Pintechs will probably respond horribly. I've always 
thought that they sounded their best when treated as if they were 
triggered acoustic drums (pad type of DT10/20), with the DIP switches 
for the relevant inputs on the back of the module flipped to the up 
position. Then they will run hot, with a dynamic range tilted 
seriously toward loud. If you have a raucous and forgiving style, it 
might not bother you, but if you'd like to have light hits in your 
repetoire, you might have to tweak, especially the snare. One 
solution is to insert a pot on the cable between pad and input and 
use it to adjust gain so that only your hardest hits register the 
highest number. You can DIY the cable with the pot or buy one for $45 
or so from a company like Guyatone. You can also tinker with padding 
the piezo inside the Pintech, but be careful. You don't want to lose 
the warranty (though repairing an e-drum's innards isn't all that 
hard; most parts are easy to obtain and install).  But try the 
ConcertCasts first before jumping to any conclusions. I'm a big fan 
of the Pintechs.

By the way, Pintech is supposed to be sending me (and OGD) one of 
their ZB3, three-zone Yamaha-compatible cymbals to review. If they 
follow through, we'll give you our impressions of it vis a vis 
Yamaha's own PCY-150. Pintech has always had a good relationship with 
this group.

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Brett Andrighetti

I knew the difficulty in making another companies pads work right with the DTXpress would be difficult, so I was also considering another option. I'm very partial to the way the new DTXtreme2's pads look. I'm assuming that there won't be a compatibility issue with that, but you never know. Anyone know how well the DTXtreme2 pads work with the DTXpress2 module?
Brett
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----- Original Message -----
From: emf
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett Andrighetti"
<snootchtothenootch@c...> wrote:
> Hey all. Just have a few quick questions for those that may have
the know.
>
> I was considering getting some Pintech ConcertCast Silentech
Single, and Dual Zone, pads to use with my DTXpress2. How
compatible, or problematic are non-Yamaha mesh heads when plugged
into the DTXP2 brain? Too hot? Too cold? Just right? Would love
to hear from someone with the knowledge and experience of combining
the two mighty units/pieces together.

Brett,

The Yamaha module's experience with other companies' pads is a little
like Goldielocks' experience with porridge--a little too hot or a
little too cold. That said, however, the Pintech meshes have always
been a logical upgrade from Yamaha's gum rubber. The degree of
difficulty in making the match work depends partly on your level of
tolerance, partly on your playing style, and partly on your patience.
I'm a bit reluctant to go into extreme detail on this point, since I
and others have done it to death over the years. But remember first
that the dual-zone pad will require two inputs, usually #2 and one-
half of # 9/10 (for the rim). When used with the settings for your
rubber pads, the Pintechs will probably respond horribly. I've always
thought that they sounded their best when treated as if they were
triggered acoustic drums (pad type of DT10/20), with the DIP switches
for the relevant inputs on the back of the module flipped to the up
position. Then they will run hot, with a dynamic range tilted
seriously toward loud. If you have a raucous and forgiving style, it
might not bother you, but if you'd like to have light hits in your
repetoire, you might have to tweak, especially the snare. One
solution is to insert a pot on the cable between pad and input and
use it to adjust gain so that only your hardest hits register the
highest number. You can DIY the cable with the pot or buy one for $45
or so from a company like Guyatone. You can also tinker with padding
the piezo inside the Pintech, but be careful. You don't want to lose
the warranty (though repairing an e-drum's innards isn't all that
hard; most parts are easy to obtain and install). But try the
ConcertCasts first before jumping to any conclusions. I'm a big fan
of the Pintechs.

By the way, Pintech is supposed to be sending me (and OGD) one of
their ZB3, three-zone Yamaha-compatible cymbals to review. If they
follow through, we'll give you our impressions of it vis a vis
Yamaha's own PCY-150. Pintech has always had a good relationship with
this group.

Ed





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Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett Andrighetti" 
<snootchtothenootch@c...> wrote:
> I knew the difficulty in making another companies pads work right 
with the DTXpress would be difficult, so I was also considering 
another option.  I'm very partial to the way the new DTXtreme2's pads 
look.  I'm assuming that there won't be a compatibility issue with 
that, but you never know.  Anyone know how well the DTXtreme2 pads 
work with the DTXpress2 module?

Brett,

I hope that I didn't scare you away from the Pintechs. I certainly 
didn't mean to. Lots of people, me included, have used them with 
Yamaha electronics very happily. But the DTXtreme pads also have a 
great feel to them. I'll let OGD, or someone else who has used them 
with the DTXpress, comment on the interaction. 

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Brett Andrighetti

Scared off? Not at all. I like a good challenge. After spending a lot of time in trying to get my acoustic set to act as triggers, patience has worn a little thin. I've always wanted the DTXtreme upgrade, but affordability has to be the biggest draw for me. So, I thought Pintechs would be a natural choice. I'm going to head over to the nearest Guitar Center in hopes that they will let me play around a bit with their gear, and see what I can come up with.
OGD, or anyone else for that matter, have any thoughts on the DTXtreme2's pads and the DTXpress2's compatibility?
Brett
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----- Original Message -----
From: emf
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett Andrighetti"
<snootchtothenootch@c...> wrote:
> Hey all. Just have a few quick questions for those that may have
the know.
>
> I was considering getting some Pintech ConcertCast Silentech
Single, and Dual Zone, pads to use with my DTXpress2. How
compatible, or problematic are non-Yamaha mesh heads when plugged
into the DTXP2 brain? Too hot? Too cold? Just right? Would love
to hear from someone with the knowledge and experience of combining
the two mighty units/pieces together.

Brett,

The Yamaha module's experience with other companies' pads is a little
like Goldielocks' experience with porridge--a little too hot or a
little too cold. That said, however, the Pintech meshes have always
been a logical upgrade from Yamaha's gum rubber. The degree of
difficulty in making the match work depends partly on your level of
tolerance, partly on your playing style, and partly on your patience.
I'm a bit reluctant to go into extreme detail on this point, since I
and others have done it to death over the years. But remember first
that the dual-zone pad will require two inputs, usually #2 and one-
half of # 9/10 (for the rim). When used with the settings for your
rubber pads, the Pintechs will probably respond horribly. I've always
thought that they sounded their best when treated as if they were
triggered acoustic drums (pad type of DT10/20), with the DIP switches
for the relevant inputs on the back of the module flipped to the up
position. Then they will run hot, with a dynamic range tilted
seriously toward loud. If you have a raucous and forgiving style, it
might not bother you, but if you'd like to have light hits in your
repetoire, you might have to tweak, especially the snare. One
solution is to insert a pot on the cable between pad and input and
use it to adjust gain so that only your hardest hits register the
highest number. You can DIY the cable with the pot or buy one for $45
or so from a company like Guyatone. You can also tinker with padding
the piezo inside the Pintech, but be careful. You don't want to lose
the warranty (though repairing an e-drum's innards isn't all that
hard; most parts are easy to obtain and install). But try the
ConcertCasts first before jumping to any conclusions. I'm a big fan
of the Pintechs.

By the way, Pintech is supposed to be sending me (and OGD) one of
their ZB3, three-zone Yamaha-compatible cymbals to review. If they
follow through, we'll give you our impressions of it vis a vis
Yamaha's own PCY-150. Pintech has always had a good relationship with
this group.

Ed





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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Brett Andrighetti

Yeah, I figured that the "little red knob" wouldn't work, but it's nice to hear that there won't be any complaints with the pad integration. Thanks OGD and Ed, as always, I appreciate the input.
Brett
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----- Original Message -----
From: rdamon@...
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

Brett,
All of the newer pads work fine on the Dtxpress II module. The only thing that won't function is the little red adjustment knob that you see on the newer pads. That will only function on the newer Dtxtreme IIS module. I have both modules, so I know they work fine.
OGD

From: Brett Andrighetti ;
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

OGD, or anyone else for that matter, have any thoughts on the DTXtreme2's pads and the DTXpress2's compatibility?
Brett
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RE: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Brett,
 
All of the newer pads work fine on the Dtxpress II module. The only thing
that won't function is the little red adjustment knob that you see on the
newer pads. That will only function on the newer Dtxtreme IIS module. I have
both modules, so I know they work fine.
 
OGD

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From: Brett Andrighetti  
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.


OGD, or anyone else for that matter, have any thoughts on the DTXtreme2's
pads and the DTXpress2's compatibility?
 
Brett
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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Peter Corona

Hi, OGD, guys...
OGD, I bought one of the new pads for use, with an old module. I actually sent it back. What did you think of the sensitivity, on the old module?
Pete
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----- Original Message -----
From: rdamon@...
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

Brett,
All of the newer pads work fine on the Dtxpress II module. The only thing that won't function is the little red adjustment knob that you see on the newer pads. That will only function on the newer Dtxtreme IIS module. I have both modules, so I know they work fine.
OGD

From: Brett Andrighetti
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

OGD, or anyone else for that matter, have any thoughts on the DTXtreme2's pads and the DTXpress2's compatibility?
Brett
Vote Quimby!


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Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Corona" <diametrix1@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi, OGD, guys...
> 
> OGD, I bought one of the new pads for use, with an old module. I 
actually sent it back. What did you think of the sensitivity, on the 
old module?

Pete,

You have the DTXv2.0, right?  If so, it may exhibit anomalies that 
aren't present on the DTXpress modules, since its triggering section 
is the oldest in the Yamaha arsenal.  It's also much more complicated 
than any DTXpress; without intensive firsthand experience with it, it 
would be hard to assess its sensitivity with the new pads. I thought 
that the new pads would be more likely to work well with it than mesh 
heads would, but maybe not. Why don't you see if you can get 
Yamahammer at DTXperience to field your question. He may not have an 
answer right away, but he might be able to get technical assistance 
from someone still familiar with the unit. 

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Peter Corona

Thanks, Ed. I'm weighing the choices. I always appreciate your advice. :-)
Pete
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From: emf
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:58 AM
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Corona" <diametrix1@y...>
wrote:
> Hi, OGD, guys...
>
> OGD, I bought one of the new pads for use, with an old module. I
actually sent it back. What did you think of the sensitivity, on the
old module?

Pete,

You have the DTXv2.0, right? If so, it may exhibit anomalies that
aren't present on the DTXpress modules, since its triggering section
is the oldest in the Yamaha arsenal. It's also much more complicated
than any DTXpress; without intensive firsthand experience with it, it
would be hard to assess its sensitivity with the new pads. I thought
that the new pads would be more likely to work well with it than mesh
heads would, but maybe not. Why don't you see if you can get
Yamahammer at DTXperience to field your question. He may not have an
answer right away, but he might be able to get technical assistance
from someone still familiar with the unit.

Ed





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RE: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Peter, 
 
I actually thought the newer pads were more responsive on the Dtxpress II
module than the original TP65 series pads. 
 
OGD

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From: Peter Corona  
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.


Hi, OGD, guys...
 
OGD, I bought one of the new pads for use, with an old module. I actually
sent it back. What did you think of the sensitivity, on the old module?
 
Pete
 
 
 
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Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

2004-11-19 by Peter Corona

It could be just a thing with the old DTX2, as ED suggested. Oh, well. Thanks.
Pete
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

Peter,
I actually thought the newer pads were more responsive on the Dtxpress II module than the original TP65 series pads.
OGD

From: Peter Corona
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: Getting the upgrade bug...again.

Hi, OGD, guys...
OGD, I bought one of the new pads for use, with an old module. I actually sent it back. What did you think of the sensitivity, on the old module?
Pete

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