Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

HAPPY New Year to ALL the members!!!

What NEW and EXCITING things will we be expecting this year....in the 
world of Electronic Drums. I have enjoyed EVERY bit of my time on the 
E.D's. Thanks to you learned people, who visit this group. I have 
learned SO MUCH from your experiences and logical advice. Because of 
your different experiences, and vast knowledge,  and,  sharing them 
on this site, I have been able to enhance my knowledge, and 
understanding of my own kit....(DTXpress11).

"in knowledge lies strength".

Question???

I have this adventurous idea of hooking up a GOOD quality DUAL band 
(left channel and right channel) graphic equaliser to my existing 
setup....just to experiment, if I am able to "TWEAK" the final KIT 
sound output. Perhaps to add some brightness to my drum voices or kit 
sounds. I am using a ROLAND "KC500", for amplification. The final 
output is fed to the band mixer, from the KC500.

Has anyone experimented with a GOOD GRAPHIC EQUALISER? If so, 

1. Which particular EQUALISER would be a good choice?
2. How will the EQUALISER connect between the DTXpress and the KC500? 
and finally
3. Does the equaliser introduction IMPROVE the sound?

Any feedback will be very interesting.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" <vap19592000@y...> 
wrote:
> I have this adventurous idea of hooking up a GOOD quality DUAL band 
> (left channel and right channel) graphic equaliser to my existing 
> setup....just to experiment, if I am able to "TWEAK" the final KIT 
> sound output. Perhaps to add some brightness to my drum voices or 
kit 
> sounds. I am using a ROLAND "KC500", for amplification. The final 
> output is fed to the band mixer, from the KC500.
> 
> Has anyone experimented with a GOOD GRAPHIC EQUALISER? If so, 
> 
> 1. Which particular EQUALISER would be a good choice?
> 2. How will the EQUALISER connect between the DTXpress and the 
KC500? 
> and finally
> 3. Does the equaliser introduction IMPROVE the sound?

I'll be the sacrificial purist here. My feeling is that equalization 
is valuable only as a last resort when something is definitely wrong 
with the sound, either because the source hardware/software is  
faulty, or the room is diminishing or intensifying certain 
frequencies. Otherwise, everything placed in the path of the original 
signal is yet another way to degrade the signal, and the typical 
equalizer is a prime offender in that regard. Granted, no room except 
an anechoic chamber can offer flat response (and certainly few 
components), but identifying and correcting room-related troubles is 
not a simple search and destroy procedure. Of course, you are always 
free to tinker and experiment with sound, and it can be a gas, but 
don't assume that you won't thereby introduce new problems. If the 
original sounds are deficient, the gain from equalization will make 
them even more pronounced. I told you that I was a purist.

One way to approach this issue is to get a decent mixer with a few 
bands of eq for each channel. It might be overkill to run only the 
stereo output of the DTXpress through it, but it might come in more 
handly if you connect a CD player etc. to it and/or add a second 
module or other instruments. You'll have more control over relative 
levels, effects, and equalization if you need/want it. As an example, 
I currently use a Yamaha mixer to handle four to six channels from my 
ddrum module and two from a Yamaha module, as well as a CD player and 
anything else that becomes necessary. I generally listen through 
headphones and add no equalization at all.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" <vap19592000@y...> 
> wrote:
> > I have this adventurous idea of hooking up a GOOD quality DUAL 
band 
> > (left channel and right channel) graphic equaliser to my 
existing 
> > setup....just to experiment, if I am able to "TWEAK" the final 
KIT 
> > sound output. Perhaps to add some brightness to my drum voices 
or 
> kit 
> > sounds. I am using a ROLAND "KC500", for amplification. The 
final 
> > output is fed to the band mixer, from the KC500.
> > 
> > Has anyone experimented with a GOOD GRAPHIC EQUALISER? If so, 
> > 
> > 1. Which particular EQUALISER would be a good choice?
> > 2. How will the EQUALISER connect between the DTXpress and the 
> KC500? 
> > and finally
> > 3. Does the equaliser introduction IMPROVE the sound?
> 
> I'll be the sacrificial purist here. My feeling is that 
equalization 
> is valuable only as a last resort when something is definitely 
wrong 
> with the sound, either because the source hardware/software is  
> faulty, or the room is diminishing or intensifying certain 
> frequencies. Otherwise, everything placed in the path of the 
original 
> signal is yet another way to degrade the signal, and the typical 
> equalizer is a prime offender in that regard. Granted, no room 
except 
> an anechoic chamber can offer flat response (and certainly few 
> components), but identifying and correcting room-related troubles 
is 
> not a simple search and destroy procedure. Of course, you are 
always 
> free to tinker and experiment with sound, and it can be a gas, but 
> don't assume that you won't thereby introduce new problems. If the 
> original sounds are deficient, the gain from equalization will 
make 
> them even more pronounced. I told you that I was a purist.
> 
> One way to approach this issue is to get a decent mixer with a few 
> bands of eq for each channel. It might be overkill to run only the 
> stereo output of the DTXpress through it, but it might come in 
more 
> handly if you connect a CD player etc. to it and/or add a second 
> module or other instruments. You'll have more control over 
relative 
> levels, effects, and equalization if you need/want it. As an 
example, 
> I currently use a Yamaha mixer to handle four to six channels from 
my 
> ddrum module and two from a Yamaha module, as well as a CD player 
and 
> anything else that becomes necessary. I generally listen through 
> headphones and add no equalization at all.
> 
> Ed


Hi,

Good explanation ED.

Further to that here goes for some more stuff for you.

As ED Eluded to most multi band EQ's are used in large sound 
reinforcement applications to accommodate the room and system 
defects.
Using the likes of Pink noise a flat power level can be set across 
all the frequency bands (With good engineers and equipment.)

If you want to change the sound of the drum kit I would personal 
recommend you find yourself a `parametric EQ'
This will enable you to select the frequency you ant to affect and 
the extent around that frequency.

Most Mixers have 3 band EQ's which are not appropriate for modifying 
Drum sound effectively. (Having said that as ED says above I use a 
Yamaha mixer and don't have any EQ gain or cut)

High professional Mixing consoles have such EQ's . (But not the 
normal use ones)

Here are a list of frequency ranges and there effect on drum kits it 
may be of use to start cutting or adding gain.

80 Hz 		Boost adds weight to Kick and Toms
120-150 Hz 	Boost adds punch to toms and snare
6 kHz 		Boost adds sizzle to Cymbals
1-2 kHz 	Boost adds definition to snare
150-250Hz 	Cut reduces boxiness
1 kHz 		Cut reduces harshness

IF you wish I have a lot more detailed info on Frequency effects.
The most important thing though is what does it sound like. The 
above may give you a point to start at but it's down to personal 
preferences.

Good luck and contact if you want any more.

Guy

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" <vap19592000@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I have this adventurous idea of hooking up a GOOD quality DUAL 
> band 
> > > (left channel and right channel) graphic equaliser to my 
> existing 
> > > setup....just to experiment, if I am able to "TWEAK" the final 
> KIT 
> > > sound output. Perhaps to add some brightness to my drum voices 
> or 
> > kit 
> > > sounds. I am using a ROLAND "KC500", for amplification. The 
> final 
> > > output is fed to the band mixer, from the KC500.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone experimented with a GOOD GRAPHIC EQUALISER? If so, 
> > > 
> > > 1. Which particular EQUALISER would be a good choice?
> > > 2. How will the EQUALISER connect between the DTXpress and the 
> > KC500? 
> > > and finally
> > > 3. Does the equaliser introduction IMPROVE the sound?
> > 
> > I'll be the sacrificial purist here. My feeling is that 
> equalization 
> > is valuable only as a last resort when something is definitely 
> wrong 
> > with the sound, either because the source hardware/software is  
> > faulty, or the room is diminishing or intensifying certain 
> > frequencies. Otherwise, everything placed in the path of the 
> original 
> > signal is yet another way to degrade the signal, and the typical 
> > equalizer is a prime offender in that regard. Granted, no room 
> except 
> > an anechoic chamber can offer flat response (and certainly few 
> > components), but identifying and correcting room-related troubles 
> is 
> > not a simple search and destroy procedure. Of course, you are 
> always 
> > free to tinker and experiment with sound, and it can be a gas, 
but 
> > don't assume that you won't thereby introduce new problems. If 
the 
> > original sounds are deficient, the gain from equalization will 
> make 
> > them even more pronounced. I told you that I was a purist.
> > 
> > One way to approach this issue is to get a decent mixer with a 
few 
> > bands of eq for each channel. It might be overkill to run only 
the 
> > stereo output of the DTXpress through it, but it might come in 
> more 
> > handly if you connect a CD player etc. to it and/or add a second 
> > module or other instruments. You'll have more control over 
> relative 
> > levels, effects, and equalization if you need/want it. As an 
> example, 
> > I currently use a Yamaha mixer to handle four to six channels 
from 
> my 
> > ddrum module and two from a Yamaha module, as well as a CD player 
> and 
> > anything else that becomes necessary. I generally listen through 
> > headphones and add no equalization at all.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Good explanation ED.
> 
> Further to that here goes for some more stuff for you.
> 
> As ED Eluded to most multi band EQ's are used in large sound 
> reinforcement applications to accommodate the room and system 
> defects.
> Using the likes of Pink noise a flat power level can be set across 
> all the frequency bands (With good engineers and equipment.)
> 
> If you want to change the sound of the drum kit I would personal 
> recommend you find yourself a `parametric EQ'
> This will enable you to select the frequency you ant to affect and 
> the extent around that frequency.
> 
> Most Mixers have 3 band EQ's which are not appropriate for 
modifying 
> Drum sound effectively. (Having said that as ED says above I use a 
> Yamaha mixer and don't have any EQ gain or cut)
> 
> High professional Mixing consoles have such EQ's . (But not the 
> normal use ones)
> 
> Here are a list of frequency ranges and there effect on drum kits 
it 
> may be of use to start cutting or adding gain.
> 
> 80 Hz 		Boost adds weight to Kick and Toms
> 120-150 Hz 	Boost adds punch to toms and snare
> 6 kHz 		Boost adds sizzle to Cymbals
> 1-2 kHz 	Boost adds definition to snare
> 150-250Hz 	Cut reduces boxiness
> 1 kHz 		Cut reduces harshness
> 
> IF you wish I have a lot more detailed info on Frequency effects.
> The most important thing though is what does it sound like. The 
> above may give you a point to start at but it's down to personal 
> preferences.
> 
> Good luck and contact if you want any more.
> 
> Guy


INTERESTING!!!!!!! Thanks EMF and GUY for your knowledgeable feedback.

GUY...What is a "PARAMETRIC" EQ?? How different is it from an 
ordinary EQ? The frequency ranges you listed above would be of 
enormous help to me, as This is exactly what I am trying to 
achieve...more information would be valuable.
BTW: How would I "introduce" the EQ to my setup? (connections)

Thanks to BOTH of you for sharing some useful knowledge!!!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" <vap19592000@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" 
<vap19592000@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I have this adventurous idea of hooking up a GOOD quality 
DUAL 
> > band 
> > > > (left channel and right channel) graphic equaliser to my 
> > existing 
> > > > setup....just to experiment, if I am able to "TWEAK" the 
final 
> > KIT 
> > > > sound output. Perhaps to add some brightness to my drum 
voices 
> > or 
> > > kit 
> > > > sounds. I am using a ROLAND "KC500", for amplification. The 
> > final 
> > > > output is fed to the band mixer, from the KC500.
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone experimented with a GOOD GRAPHIC EQUALISER? If 
so, 
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Which particular EQUALISER would be a good choice?
> > > > 2. How will the EQUALISER connect between the DTXpress and 
the 
> > > KC500? 
> > > > and finally
> > > > 3. Does the equaliser introduction IMPROVE the sound?
> > > 
> > > I'll be the sacrificial purist here. My feeling is that 
> > equalization 
> > > is valuable only as a last resort when something is definitely 
> > wrong 
> > > with the sound, either because the source hardware/software 
is  
> > > faulty, or the room is diminishing or intensifying certain 
> > > frequencies. Otherwise, everything placed in the path of the 
> > original 
> > > signal is yet another way to degrade the signal, and the 
typical 
> > > equalizer is a prime offender in that regard. Granted, no room 
> > except 
> > > an anechoic chamber can offer flat response (and certainly few 
> > > components), but identifying and correcting room-related 
troubles 
> > is 
> > > not a simple search and destroy procedure. Of course, you are 
> > always 
> > > free to tinker and experiment with sound, and it can be a gas, 
> but 
> > > don't assume that you won't thereby introduce new problems. If 
> the 
> > > original sounds are deficient, the gain from equalization will 
> > make 
> > > them even more pronounced. I told you that I was a purist.
> > > 
> > > One way to approach this issue is to get a decent mixer with a 
> few 
> > > bands of eq for each channel. It might be overkill to run only 
> the 
> > > stereo output of the DTXpress through it, but it might come in 
> > more 
> > > handly if you connect a CD player etc. to it and/or add a 
second 
> > > module or other instruments. You'll have more control over 
> > relative 
> > > levels, effects, and equalization if you need/want it. As an 
> > example, 
> > > I currently use a Yamaha mixer to handle four to six channels 
> from 
> > my 
> > > ddrum module and two from a Yamaha module, as well as a CD 
player 
> > and 
> > > anything else that becomes necessary. I generally listen 
through 
> > > headphones and add no equalization at all.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Good explanation ED.
> > 
> > Further to that here goes for some more stuff for you.
> > 
> > As ED Eluded to most multi band EQ's are used in large sound 
> > reinforcement applications to accommodate the room and system 
> > defects.
> > Using the likes of Pink noise a flat power level can be set 
across 
> > all the frequency bands (With good engineers and equipment.)
> > 
> > If you want to change the sound of the drum kit I would personal 
> > recommend you find yourself a `parametric EQ'
> > This will enable you to select the frequency you ant to affect 
and 
> > the extent around that frequency.
> > 
> > Most Mixers have 3 band EQ's which are not appropriate for 
> modifying 
> > Drum sound effectively. (Having said that as ED says above I use 
a 
> > Yamaha mixer and don't have any EQ gain or cut)
> > 
> > High professional Mixing consoles have such EQ's . (But not the 
> > normal use ones)
> > 
> > Here are a list of frequency ranges and there effect on drum 
kits 
> it 
> > may be of use to start cutting or adding gain.
> > 
> > 80 Hz 		Boost adds weight to Kick and Toms
> > 120-150 Hz 	Boost adds punch to toms and snare
> > 6 kHz 		Boost adds sizzle to Cymbals
> > 1-2 kHz 	Boost adds definition to snare
> > 150-250Hz 	Cut reduces boxiness
> > 1 kHz 		Cut reduces harshness
> > 
> > IF you wish I have a lot more detailed info on Frequency effects.
> > The most important thing though is what does it sound like. The 
> > above may give you a point to start at but it's down to personal 
> > preferences.
> > 
> > Good luck and contact if you want any more.
> > 
> > Guy
> 
> 
> INTERESTING!!!!!!! Thanks EMF and GUY for your knowledgeable 
feedback.
> 
> GUY...What is a "PARAMETRIC" EQ?? How different is it from an 
> ordinary EQ? The frequency ranges you listed above would be of 
> enormous help to me, as This is exactly what I am trying to 
> achieve...more information would be valuable.
> BTW: How would I "introduce" the EQ to my setup? (connections)
> 
> Thanks to BOTH of you for sharing some useful knowledge!!!


Hey VAP.

A Parametric EQ is usualy 5 or 6 bands which are ajustable as follows

1) you can ajust the Cut/Gian as normal Band EQ's
2) you can ajust the centre point of the EQ Band for each band i.e. 
the EQ mid point you set to what you want not what the manufacturer 
says.
3) you can ajust the Q This afacts how wide the EQ frequency is, 
that is afected by the Cut/Gain.

Hope that explains it for you.

Guy

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> wrote:
> A Parametric EQ is usualy 5 or 6 bands which are ajustable as 
follows
> 
> 1) you can ajust the Cut/Gian as normal Band EQ's
> 2) you can ajust the centre point of the EQ Band for each band i.e. 
> the EQ mid point you set to what you want not what the manufacturer 
> says.
> 3) you can ajust the Q This afacts how wide the EQ frequency is, 
> that is afected by the Cut/Gain.
> 
> Hope that explains it for you.

Guy and I can switch roles this time. The parametric equalizer goes 
between the component that you want to adjust (the module) and the 
final output (amp). If you want to play with one of them, be prepared 
to spend at least a little money. Alesis and Aphex have something in 
the range of $350-$400. I'm not sure whether these units have as many 
as 5 or 6 bands. Others in the higher end will set you back thousands 
of dollars. If you want to include adjusting for standing waves in 
your room, you'll have to work out the affected frequencies by the 
particular room dimensions, diagonals, etc., which ain't easy on 
paper. There is room analysis software out there, and some of the 
better home audio receivers and processors are beginning to use 
something like it to determine surround levels in home theaters. It's 
a brave new world. Keep us informed about what you do. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> 
wrote:
> > A Parametric EQ is usualy 5 or 6 bands which are ajustable as 
> follows
> > 
> > 1) you can ajust the Cut/Gian as normal Band EQ's
> > 2) you can ajust the centre point of the EQ Band for each band 
i.e. 
> > the EQ mid point you set to what you want not what the 
manufacturer 
> > says.
> > 3) you can ajust the Q This afacts how wide the EQ frequency is, 
> > that is afected by the Cut/Gain.
> > 
> > Hope that explains it for you.
> 
> Guy and I can switch roles this time. The parametric equalizer 
goes 
> between the component that you want to adjust (the module) and the 
> final output (amp). If you want to play with one of them, be 
prepared 
> to spend at least a little money. Alesis and Aphex have something 
in 
> the range of $350-$400. I'm not sure whether these units have as 
many 
> as 5 or 6 bands. Others in the higher end will set you back 
thousands 
> of dollars. If you want to include adjusting for standing waves in 
> your room, you'll have to work out the affected frequencies by the 
> particular room dimensions, diagonals, etc., which ain't easy on 
> paper. There is room analysis software out there, and some of the 
> better home audio receivers and processors are beginning to use 
> something like it to determine surround levels in home theaters. 
It's 
> a brave new world. Keep us informed about what you do. 
> 
> Ed

Thanks ED.

FYI.

I have uploaded a JPG scan of a more detailed list of frequencies 
that have effects on Drum sounds from one of my reinforcment 
handbooks.

its in the 'Files/Hardware tech' directory

YEH I'll be intrerestd if you do try anything.

Guy

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > A Parametric EQ is usualy 5 or 6 bands which are ajustable as 
> > follows
> > > 
> > > 1) you can ajust the Cut/Gian as normal Band EQ's
> > > 2) you can ajust the centre point of the EQ Band for each band 
> i.e. 
> > > the EQ mid point you set to what you want not what the 
> manufacturer 
> > > says.
> > > 3) you can ajust the Q This afacts how wide the EQ frequency 
is, 
> > > that is afected by the Cut/Gain.
> > > 
> > > Hope that explains it for you.
> > 
> > Guy and I can switch roles this time. The parametric equalizer 
> goes 
> > between the component that you want to adjust (the module) and 
the 
> > final output (amp). If you want to play with one of them, be 
> prepared 
> > to spend at least a little money. Alesis and Aphex have something 
> in 
> > the range of $350-$400. I'm not sure whether these units have as 
> many 
> > as 5 or 6 bands. Others in the higher end will set you back 
> thousands 
> > of dollars. If you want to include adjusting for standing waves 
in 
> > your room, you'll have to work out the affected frequencies by 
the 
> > particular room dimensions, diagonals, etc., which ain't easy on 
> > paper. There is room analysis software out there, and some of the 
> > better home audio receivers and processors are beginning to use 
> > something like it to determine surround levels in home theaters. 
> It's 
> > a brave new world. Keep us informed about what you do. 
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> Thanks ED.
> 
> FYI.
> 
> I have uploaded a JPG scan of a more detailed list of frequencies 
> that have effects on Drum sounds from one of my reinforcment 
> handbooks.
> 
> its in the 'Files/Hardware tech' directory
> 
> YEH I'll be intrerestd if you do try anything.
> 
> Guy

Sure thing chaps!!

I will begin the "quest" by gathering additional information in the 
local music shops, and other resources/music establishments,  and at 
some point of time will "wet my beak" into this subject..
Will let you know how things transpire...

Once again "VINAKA VAKA LEVU" ("Thank You" in Fijian), for your 
invaluable insights...

Ave'

I'll throw in my $0.02 here as well...

You can get a 24 channel digital parmetric eq from here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/182467/

here's the "tiny" link in case the above one gets mangled:

http://tinyurl.com/4mobk

From their description:

------------------- CLIP -----------------
Manual mode allows for setting up to 2 x 12 fully parametric filters
including frequency, bandwidth, and gain
------------------- /CLIP ----------------

and this is a 1u rack mount unit that sells for $119.00. I have one in my
rack (used to kill feedback, which is it's primary design purpose) but
have manually set it as a parametric eq on occasion and it works fine for
that as well.

Also, for a more involved (and admitedly rather technical) discussion of
Parametric and "regualr" equalization, try this:

http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/EQs/paramet.htm

here's a more "general" tutorial on how to use EQ with systems:

http://www.looperman.com/tutorials_eq1.php

and here:

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/eq/1.asp

Hope this helps.. :)

Vern

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" \ufffdVLG

Well Ordered it today expect it to be delivered next week I'll let 
you know what I get out of it.

Went for the behringer.

Guy



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> I'll throw in my $0.02 here as well...
> 
> You can get a 24 channel digital parmetric eq from here:
> 
> 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/1824
67/
> 
> here's the "tiny" link in case the above one gets mangled:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4mobk
> 
> From their description:
> 
> ------------------- CLIP -----------------
> Manual mode allows for setting up to 2 x 12 fully parametric filters
> including frequency, bandwidth, and gain
> ------------------- /CLIP ----------------
> 
> and this is a 1u rack mount unit that sells for $119.00. I have one 
in my
> rack (used to kill feedback, which is it's primary design purpose) 
but
> have manually set it as a parametric eq on occasion and it works 
fine for
> that as well.
> 
> Also, for a more involved (and admitedly rather technical) 
discussion of

> Parametric and "regualr" equalization, try this:
> 
> http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/EQs/paramet.htm
> 
> here's a more "general" tutorial on how to use EQ with systems:
> 
> http://www.looperman.com/tutorials_eq1.php
> 
> and here:
> 
> http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/eq/1.asp
> 
> Hope this helps.. :)
> 
> Vern
> 
> -- 
> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
> Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
> Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
> http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
> Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" ©VLG

Guy

Thanks for the update...
Eager to know what your results will be..

Good luck!!

VAP




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> wrote:
> 
> Well Ordered it today expect it to be delivered next week I'll let 
> you know what I get out of it.
> 
> Went for the behringer.
> 
> Guy
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> > I'll throw in my $0.02 here as well...
> > 
> > You can get a 24 channel digital parmetric eq from here:
> > 
> > 
> 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/1824
> 67/
> > 
> > here's the "tiny" link in case the above one gets mangled:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/4mobk
> > 
> > From their description:
> > 
> > ------------------- CLIP -----------------
> > Manual mode allows for setting up to 2 x 12 fully parametric 
filters
> > including frequency, bandwidth, and gain
> > ------------------- /CLIP ----------------
> > 
> > and this is a 1u rack mount unit that sells for $119.00. I have 
one 
> in my
> > rack (used to kill feedback, which is it's primary design 
purpose) 

> but
> > have manually set it as a parametric eq on occasion and it works 
> fine for
> > that as well.
> > 
> > Also, for a more involved (and admitedly rather technical) 
> discussion of
> > Parametric and "regualr" equalization, try this:
> > 
> > http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/EQs/paramet.htm
> > 
> > here's a more "general" tutorial on how to use EQ with systems:
> > 
> > http://www.looperman.com/tutorials_eq1.php
> > 
> > and here:
> > 
> > http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/eq/1.asp
> > 
> > Hope this helps.. :)
> > 
> > Vern
> > 
> > -- 
> > Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then you're
> > Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are we
> > Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network
> > http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't need
> > Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" ©VLG

ARRIVED Today.

I have put it in line in the mixer inserts.

Imediate responce.

1) adds a bit of hiss.
2) can be used to dramatical change the sound.
3) because all the instruments are on just the two tracks then the 
changes affect all the instruments so Increasing say 4KH whilst 
making the cymbals ring out also makes your kick sound less thumpy 
so you could end up chasing youself, but I am gonna play some more 
this week and I'll try and post some mp3's to show you the effects.

Guy


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vap19592000" <vap19592000@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Guy
> 
> Thanks for the update...
> Eager to know what your results will be..
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
> VAP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "guynthomas" <guynthomas@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Well Ordered it today expect it to be delivered next week I'll 
let 
> > you know what I get out of it.
> > 
> > Went for the behringer.
> > 
> > Guy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> 
wrote:
> > > I'll throw in my $0.02 here as well...
> > > 
> > > You can get a 24 channel digital parmetric eq from here:
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/182
4
> > 67/
> > > 
> > > here's the "tiny" link in case the above one gets mangled:
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/4mobk
> > > 
> > > From their description:
> > > 
> > > ------------------- CLIP -----------------
> > > Manual mode allows for setting up to 2 x 12 fully parametric 
> filters
> > > including frequency, bandwidth, and gain
> > > ------------------- /CLIP ----------------
> > > 
> > > and this is a 1u rack mount unit that sells for $119.00. I 
have 
> one 
> > in my
> > > rack (used to kill feedback, which is it's primary design 
> purpose) 
> > but
> > > have manually set it as a parametric eq on occasion and it 
works 
> > fine for
> > > that as well.
> > > 
> > > Also, for a more involved (and admitedly rather technical) 
> > discussion of
> > > Parametric and "regualr" equalization, try this:
> > > 
> > > http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/EQs/paramet.htm
> > > 
> > > here's a more "general" tutorial on how to use EQ with systems:
> > > 
> > > http://www.looperman.com/tutorials_eq1.php
> > > 
> > > and here:
> > > 
> > > http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/eq/1.asp
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.. :)
> > > 
> > > Vern
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE    | "If the network is down, then 
you're
> > > Senior Systems Engineer    | obviously incompetent so why are 
we
> > > Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the 
network
> > > http://www.txis.com        | is up, then we obviously don't 
need
> > > Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" 
©VLG