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OK I HAVE THE ENTIRE KIT!! QUESTIONS ABOUND ON THIS ONE!

OK I HAVE THE ENTIRE KIT!! QUESTIONS ABOUND ON THIS ONE!

2003-01-09 by fiend455 <fiend455@yahoo.com>

Alright folks, strap your brain caps on I have some rapid fire 
questions for ya. 


1. How far do you push the drums onto the metal posts. I have about 1 
inch showing becuase it was so hard to push the drums onto the 
mounting post. Should I push harder?

2. The dual zone cymbal has a sensitivity screw on the bottom. I used 
a perfect sized screwdrive but I still had to push kinda hard to get 
it to turn. Has anyone here messed with it? How hard to you have to 
push to break it??? The said to be carful in the manual but I didnt 
read that before hand. And what actually does it do? I was having 
problems with the crash overpowering the rest of the kit. Should I 
have just turned down the volume of the cymbal instead of the screw? 
I take it the screw is for velocity sensitivity right?

3. I am having the same problem others are having with the hi-hat, 
making the snare drum louder or softer or just not triggering at all. 
Is there an easy link to the fix? I can search thru these posts if 
thats the easiest way. 

4. Can I make my Hi-Hat louder? I can barely hear it! I went into the 
settings and found that the hi-hat volume was set at 127 the higest 
you could go (maybe I was in the wrong spot). Am I going to have to 
turn down the rest of my system to make the hi-hat louder? Or is this 
a result of that known problem?

5. How can I adjust the volume of the toms and the cymbals?

6. What sensitivity setting do you all use? CUSTOM? Becuase Meduim 
seems to work best for me so far. With dynamic setting it picks up 
almost no ghost notes, and I have to hit the drums too hard to get 
maximum trigger. With easy, I have the ghost notes and sensitivity 
but everything sounds the same. Cant I have the sensitivity of Easy 
with the expression of medium? My friends practice pad is a piece of 
crap, and you can paradiddle/ghost note all day on it. Either these 
pads are really cheap, or I dont have them set up right. Im not 
looking for perfection or anything either. 

7. How do I adjust Hi-hat foot pedal so I dont have to push 
unnessasarily hard, to get it to full closed position?

Whew! Please number your answers so I know what questions you are 
answering. And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Re: OK I HAVE THE ENTIRE KIT!! QUESTIONS ABOUND ON THIS ONE!

2003-01-09 by liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@yahoo.com>

I'll take a brief shot at all of them off the top of my head, and 
other people can add more detail or correct me. My answers follow 
your questions:

> 1. How far do you push the drums onto the metal posts. I have 
about 1 
> inch showing becuase it was so hard to push the drums onto the 
> mounting post. Should I push harder?

The drums can stick because the posts are bevilled (if that's the 
term). Turn the drum gently on the post until you can push it all 
the way down. If you can't get it to move, coat the post with a 
little WD40. Height is adjustable, but if you don't go all the way 
down, one day the drum might fall unexpectedly and wake you up from 
your blissed-out stupor.
 
> 2. The dual zone cymbal has a sensitivity screw on the bottom. I 
used 
> a perfect sized screwdrive but I still had to push kinda hard to 
get 
> it to turn. Has anyone here messed with it? How hard to you have 
to 
> push to break it??? The said to be carful in the manual but I 
didnt 
> read that before hand. And what actually does it do? I was having 
> problems with the crash overpowering the rest of the kit. Should I 
> have just turned down the volume of the cymbal instead of the 
screw? 
> I take it the screw is for velocity sensitivity right?

The screw is simply a manual adjustment for sensitivity that really 
isn't all that important; yamaha has to justify the increased cost 
of the stepped up model somehow, doesn't it? If I recall, the screw 
doesn't have much play. The safest bet is to position it halfway and 
do all your volume adjustments in the voice and trigger menus. In no 
time, you'll forget that it's even there. 

> 3. I am having the same problem others are having with the hi-hat, 
> making the snare drum louder or softer or just not triggering at 
all. Is there an easy link to the fix? I can search thru these posts 
if thats the easiest way. 

I'm not quite sure what the problem is. If earlier posts deal with 
it, maybe someone will know how to respond. We could be getting into 
the areas of crosstalk (rejection in yamaha parlance), gain, and 
minimum velocity--all on the trigger menu. Whatever is going on, I'm 
sure that with a little more fine tuning in the question, as well as 
in the module, you'll lick it.
 
> 4. Can I make my Hi-Hat louder? I can barely hear it! I went into 
the settings and found that the hi-hat volume was set at 127 the 
higest you could go (maybe I was in the wrong spot). Am I going to 
have to  turn down the rest of my system to make the hi-hat louder? 
Or is this a result of that known problem?

Again, I'm not familiar with the known problem. Is this happening on 
all the preset kits and any user kits that you've programmed? Make 
sure. Are you listening through headphones or an amp? The hh pad is 
plugged into trigger 8. Check the volume in the voice menu and the 
gain setting in the trigger menu. Try increasing the numbers to see 
if that helps. You won't have to turn down the rest of the inputs to 
balance them with the hh. There is a fix for this. More information 
is necessary, though.
> 
> 5. How can I adjust the volume of the toms and the cymbals?

The toms are earmarked for inputs 3, 4, and 5, and the cymbals for 6 
and 7. Adjust the individual volume parameters in the corresponding 
voice and trigger sections. You should also know that the utility 
menu has a "live" setting under UT SYSTEM that allows you to use the 
accomp volume and click volume knobs to adjust the volume of pads 
even further. Check it out in the manual.
 
> 6. What sensitivity setting do you all use? CUSTOM? Becuase Meduim 
> seems to work best for me so far. With dynamic setting it picks up 
> almost no ghost notes, and I have to hit the drums too hard to get 
> maximum trigger. With easy, I have the ghost notes and sensitivity 
> but everything sounds the same. Cant I have the sensitivity of 
Easy 
> with the expression of medium? My friends practice pad is a piece 
of 
> crap, and you can paradiddle/ghost note all day on it. Either 
these 
> pads are really cheap, or I dont have them set up right. Im not 
> looking for perfection or anything either. 

I'd stay with medium for the time being. When you've worked with the 
trigger menu for a while, especially the gain and min. vel. 
parameters, you should start to notice what you have to do to get 
what you want. The DTXPU will pick up ghosts and buzzes, but there's 
no way to eliminate entirely the learning curve. Get the feel of how 
pads and module interact, and then you can adjust to personal 
playing style and taste. It's going to get more complicated before 
it gets easier. Somewhere along the way, the pads are going to start 
reacting to hits on each other, making your adjustments even finer. 
Also, remember that these are gum rubber pads; set up correctly, 
they will perform. But they are not acoustic drums. They have their 
own characteristics and foibles. You won't reach their limitations 
for a while, if ever. Some veteran electronic drummers still swear 
by them.

> 7. How do I adjust Hi-hat foot pedal so I dont have to push 
> unnessasarily hard, to get it to full closed position?

That you do by setting the hi hat offset, found in the Utilities 
menu. The lower the number, the easier the hats are to close.
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> 
> Whew! Please number your answers so I know what questions you are 
> answering. And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Re: OK I HAVE THE ENTIRE KIT!! QUESTIONS ABOUND ON THIS ONE!

2003-01-09 by underneathheaven <realvast@swbell.net>

Hey fiend, finally got the whole kit huh!  Cool!  I can't help with 
all your questions because I'm a newbie too but I can share some 
little tips!

1. My drums are also an inch from completely covering the post and I 
was thinking that maybe that was ok until liberatus replied.  I was 
assuming the knob we turned would clamp the whole thing together but 
maybe not?

3. My snare and hi-hat also do the same thing so I'm going to 
explore the world of rejections and gains but I still have some 
research to do on it.  I have a feeling that will fix the problem.  
I know for sure it fixes the problem of one of them not producing a 
sound when the other hit at the same time.  Just do a search for 
those posts.

4. Yes you can make the hi-hat louder and I did just this this very 
morning!  Remember you have to raise the volumes of each hi-hat 
trait, such as closed, open and splashes.  I also layered the hi-hat 
so I had two of the same hi-hat sounds layered and it produces a 
louder sound.  I had to adjust the splash though because the layered 
splash was a bit too loud for my taste.  Layer something by adding 
the second voice to it. (v=1 or v=2)

5. Again try adding another voice to your quiet toms and cymbals.  
Also try what liberatus suggested in the UT section.

7. I also messed with my hi-hat sensitivity in the kit menu.  (the 
one is set to about 32 I think.)  I changed that this morning too 
but I think I will try messing with the option in the UT menu now.

Well thats it from me...I learned some stuff from your questions so 
thanks to you too.  Liberatus provided some good suggestions as 
well.  Keep asking if you need more help!  

________________
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fiend455 <fiend455@y...>" 
<fiend455@y...> wrote:
> Alright folks, strap your brain caps on I have some rapid fire 
> questions for ya. 
> 
> 
> 1. How far do you push the drums onto the metal posts. I have 
about 1 
> inch showing becuase it was so hard to push the drums onto the 
> mounting post. Should I push harder?
> 
> 2. The dual zone cymbal has a sensitivity screw on the bottom. I 
used 
> a perfect sized screwdrive but I still had to push kinda hard to 
get 
> it to turn. Has anyone here messed with it? How hard to you have 
to 
> push to break it??? The said to be carful in the manual but I 
didnt 
> read that before hand. And what actually does it do? I was having 
> problems with the crash overpowering the rest of the kit. Should I 
> have just turned down the volume of the cymbal instead of the 
screw? 
> I take it the screw is for velocity sensitivity right?
> 
> 3. I am having the same problem others are having with the hi-hat, 
> making the snare drum louder or softer or just not triggering at 
all. 
> Is there an easy link to the fix? I can search thru these posts if 
> thats the easiest way. 
> 
> 4. Can I make my Hi-Hat louder? I can barely hear it! I went into 
the 
> settings and found that the hi-hat volume was set at 127 the 
higest 
> you could go (maybe I was in the wrong spot). Am I going to have 
to 
> turn down the rest of my system to make the hi-hat louder? Or is 
this 
> a result of that known problem?
> 
> 5. How can I adjust the volume of the toms and the cymbals?
> 
> 6. What sensitivity setting do you all use? CUSTOM? Becuase Meduim 
> seems to work best for me so far. With dynamic setting it picks up 
> almost no ghost notes, and I have to hit the drums too hard to get 
> maximum trigger. With easy, I have the ghost notes and sensitivity 
> but everything sounds the same. Cant I have the sensitivity of 
Easy 
> with the expression of medium? My friends practice pad is a piece 
of 
> crap, and you can paradiddle/ghost note all day on it. Either 
these 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> pads are really cheap, or I dont have them set up right. Im not 
> looking for perfection or anything either. 
> 
> 7. How do I adjust Hi-hat foot pedal so I dont have to push 
> unnessasarily hard, to get it to full closed position?
> 
> Whew! Please number your answers so I know what questions you are 
> answering. And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Re: [DTXpress] Re: OK I HAVE THE ENTIRE KIT!! QUESTIONS ABOUND ON THIS ONE!

2003-01-09 by Walt

Hi Guy's,

When Yamaha loaded the DTXpress IIs, they seemed to
load them with the Snare and the HH set to not play
nice with each other.  What you need to look for is
the settings for Specific Rejection (not the plain
rejection or Self rejection) on the snare and HH
trigger settings.  I suspect you will find the problem
there.  Post 2572 (and a few others before that) was
for a similar problem.  The way I would approach
setting specific rejection is to start with a value of
0.  If you experience false triggers when you hit
another pad (for example if you hit the HH and the
snare goes off) then I would raise the value of
specific rejection on the snare, so it is less
sensitive when the HH is hit.  Does that make sense?

For your problem with havoing to stand on the HH pedal
to get a closed sound, I think the parameter you need
to adjust that is called FC Offset.  If memory serves
me, it is in the Utilities section, but these days, I
spend a lot of time thinking about the hereafter . I
go somewhere to get something and then wonder what I'm
here after. 

Walt
   
--- "underneathheaven <realvast@...>"
<realvast@...> wrote:
> Hey fiend, finally got the whole kit huh!  Cool!  I
> can't help with 
> all your questions because I'm a newbie too but I
> can share some 
> little tips!
> 
> 1. My drums are also an inch from completely
> covering the post and I 
> was thinking that maybe that was ok until liberatus
> replied.  I was 
> assuming the knob we turned would clamp the whole
> thing together but 
> maybe not?
> 
> 3. My snare and hi-hat also do the same thing so I'm
> going to 
> explore the world of rejections and gains but I
> still have some 
> research to do on it.  I have a feeling that will
> fix the problem.  
> I know for sure it fixes the problem of one of them
> not producing a 
> sound when the other hit at the same time.  Just do
> a search for 
> those posts.
> 
> 4. Yes you can make the hi-hat louder and I did just
> this this very 
> morning!  Remember you have to raise the volumes of
> each hi-hat 
> trait, such as closed, open and splashes.  I also
> layered the hi-hat 
> so I had two of the same hi-hat sounds layered and
> it produces a 
> louder sound.  I had to adjust the splash though
> because the layered 
> splash was a bit too loud for my taste.  Layer
> something by adding 
> the second voice to it. (v=1 or v=2)
> 
> 5. Again try adding another voice to your quiet toms
> and cymbals.  
> Also try what liberatus suggested in the UT section.
> 
> 7. I also messed with my hi-hat sensitivity in the
> kit menu.  (the 
> one is set to about 32 I think.)  I changed that
> this morning too 
> but I think I will try messing with the option in
> the UT menu now.
> 
> Well thats it from me...I learned some stuff from
> your questions so 
> thanks to you too.  Liberatus provided some good
> suggestions as 
> well.  Keep asking if you need more help!  
> 
> ________________
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "fiend455
> <fiend455@y...>" 
> <fiend455@y...> wrote:
> > Alright folks, strap your brain caps on I have
> some rapid fire 
> > questions for ya. 
> > 
> > 
> > 1. How far do you push the drums onto the metal
> posts. I have 
> about 1 
> > inch showing becuase it was so hard to push the
> drums onto the 
> > mounting post. Should I push harder?
> > 
> > 2. The dual zone cymbal has a sensitivity screw on
> the bottom. I 
> used 
> > a perfect sized screwdrive but I still had to push
> kinda hard to 
> get 
> > it to turn. Has anyone here messed with it? How
> hard to you have 
> to 
> > push to break it??? The said to be carful in the
> manual but I 
> didnt 
> > read that before hand. And what actually does it
> do? I was having 
> > problems with the crash overpowering the rest of
> the kit. Should I 
> > have just turned down the volume of the cymbal
> instead of the 
> screw? 
> > I take it the screw is for velocity sensitivity
> right?
> > 
> > 3. I am having the same problem others are having
> with the hi-hat, 
> > making the snare drum louder or softer or just not
> triggering at 
> all. 
> > Is there an easy link to the fix? I can search
> thru these posts if 
> > thats the easiest way. 
> > 
> > 4. Can I make my Hi-Hat louder? I can barely hear
> it! I went into 
> the 
> > settings and found that the hi-hat volume was set
> at 127 the 
> higest 
> > you could go (maybe I was in the wrong spot). Am I
> going to have 
> to 
> > turn down the rest of my system to make the hi-hat
> louder? Or is 
> this 
> > a result of that known problem?
> > 
> > 5. How can I adjust the volume of the toms and the
> cymbals?
> > 
> > 6. What sensitivity setting do you all use?
> CUSTOM? Becuase Meduim 
> > seems to work best for me so far. With dynamic
> setting it picks up 
> > almost no ghost notes, and I have to hit the drums
> too hard to get 
> > maximum trigger. With easy, I have the ghost notes
> and sensitivity 
> > but everything sounds the same. Cant I have the
> sensitivity of 
> Easy 
> > with the expression of medium? My friends practice
> pad is a piece 
> of 
> > crap, and you can paradiddle/ghost note all day on
> it. Either 
> these 
> > pads are really cheap, or I dont have them set up
> right. Im not 
> > looking for perfection or anything either. 
> > 
> > 7. How do I adjust Hi-hat foot pedal so I dont
> have to push 
> > unnessasarily hard, to get it to full closed
> position?
> > 
> > Whew! Please number your answers so I know what
> questions you are 
> > answering. And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
> 
> 


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