Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey everyone,

I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest percussion.  
Initial reactions include,
-I'm very impressed how authentic the snare-kick-cymbals & 
hi-hat sound right out of the box.
-The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is there supposed to 
be a learning curve to using one compared to an acoustic hi-hat 
pedal?
-The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound 
alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of acoustic toms 
with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My playing falls 
along the lines of rock/hard blues.
-I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the rubber 
pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local Guitar Center, 
and both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my taste, 
anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be adjusted 
through the module, but the feel will remain the same.  I guess 
it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the appeal of the 
woven heads.

Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while going through 
the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the system.

Peace,

Randall

Hi Randall,

Welcome aboard. I'm a big midwest percussion fan. There are numerous 
options for getting the toms to sound less like the 80s drum 
machines. In time, you'll find your favorites voices and colors. But 
you have to experiment. The hi hat controller is adjustable in the 
menu for sensitivity, offset, and foot spash timing, as well as for 
sounds. There is definitely a learning curve for e-drums.  
Programming the module is complicated enough to take a while to feel 
completely comfortable. Most likely, issues will come up for you 
along the way. The board is a great resource. By the way, many of us 
here are fans of mesh heads, or more accurately, woven heads. Though 
which particular pad a drummer prefers to hit is largely a matter of 
personal taste, the various types do show their advantages in time. 
Unfortunately, store demo models rarely are the best kits to 
demonstrate them effectively. But getting wherever you eventually get 
is half the fun, even though you never get to the end of it. Enjoy.

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" 
<dvaoa28@y...> wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest percussion.  
> Initial reactions include,
> -I'm very impressed how authentic the snare-kick-cymbals & 
> hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is there supposed to 
> be a learning curve to using one compared to an acoustic hi-hat 
> pedal?
> -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound 
> alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of acoustic toms 
> with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My playing falls 
> along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the rubber 
> pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local Guitar Center, 
> and both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my taste, 
> anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be adjusted 
> through the module, but the feel will remain the same.  I guess 
> it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the appeal of the 
> woven heads.
> 
> Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while going through 
> the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the system.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Randall

Hi Randall, and Welcome.

Based on our collective experiences I do have a couple
of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you continue
to have a good time with your kit.

There have been 2 things that we have found with the
way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so to
avoid them I would suggest that you first reset the
module to the factory settings.  This is due to some
members trying to trigger xpress sounds from external
devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
before you customize your settings. 

The other issue has to do with rejections between the
HH and snare.  For some reason the factory defaults
call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like to
tell new users about it.  What you need to do is look
at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH trigger
settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when you
hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may not
produce a sound/  Normally for any of the rejection
parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
zero (no rejection), unless you have cross triggering
(one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase the
rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.

Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to a
pedal that not only does open and closed, but also has
a variable range in between.  The HH80A from Yamaha is
one such pedal.  

Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want them
to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you can
also customize your own.  If you scroll through the
voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
suspect you will find many toms to your liking.  The
same applies to the other pads as well.

That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to ask
more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
search the posts if you have a specific nugget of info
you're looking for.

Walt 
--- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@...>" <dvaoa28@...>
wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> percussion.  
> Initial reactions include,
> -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> snare-kick-cymbals & 
> hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> there supposed to 
> be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> acoustic hi-hat 
> pedal?
> -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> sound 
> alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of
> acoustic toms 
> with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My
> playing falls 
> along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the
> rubber 
> pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local
> Guitar Center, 
> and both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my
> taste, 
> anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be
> adjusted 
> through the module, but the feel will remain the
> same.  I guess 
> it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the
> appeal of the 
> woven heads.
> 
> Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> going through 
> the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the
> system.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Randall
> 
> 


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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:02:04 -0000, you wrote:

>-The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is there supposed to 
>be a learning curve to using one compared to an acoustic hi-hat 
>pedal?

You have to lift the pedal just slightly before you hit it.


>-The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound 
>alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
>hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of acoustic toms 
>with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My playing falls 
>along the lines of rock/hard blues.

Try the Maple 10, 12, 14, and flr.  Also, Room1 sounds pretty good.




____________________________

Jim

Welcome aboard...you will find the folks on this forum
extremely informative and very supportive!
Jade
--- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@...>" <dvaoa28@...>
wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> percussion.  
> Initial reactions include,
> -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> snare-kick-cymbals & 
> hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> there supposed to 
> be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> acoustic hi-hat 
> pedal?
> -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> sound 
> alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of
> acoustic toms 
> with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My
> playing falls 
> along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the
> rubber 
> pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local
> Guitar Center, 
> and both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my
> taste, 
> anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be
> adjusted 
> through the module, but the feel will remain the
> same.  I guess 
> it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the
> appeal of the 
> woven heads.
> 
> Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> going through 
> the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the
> system.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Randall
> 
> 


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Hi Ed,
Thanks for the info; also, sorry about dissing the woven heads.  I 
was just really surprised at how odd they felt in the store, but like 
you said it could've been the demo model.  All advice taken; 
Unfortunately, with two kids in grade school, time to "play 
around" is at a premium.  I'll be dropping by for more help along 
the way; I've been lurking for a while, and the group seems 
extremely helpful.

Randall

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Randall,
> 
> Welcome aboard. I'm a big midwest percussion fan. There are 
numerous 
> options for getting the toms to sound less like the 80s drum 
> machines. In time, you'll find your favorites voices and colors. 
But 
> you have to experiment. The hi hat controller is adjustable in 
the 
> menu for sensitivity, offset, and foot spash timing, as well as 
for 
> sounds. There is definitely a learning curve for e-drums.  
> Programming the module is complicated enough to take a 
while to feel 
> completely comfortable. Most likely, issues will come up for 
you 
> along the way. The board is a great resource. By the way, many 
of us 
> here are fans of mesh heads, or more accurately, woven 
heads. Though 
> which particular pad a drummer prefers to hit is largely a 
matter of 
> personal taste, the various types do show their advantages in 
time. 
> Unfortunately, store demo models rarely are the best kits to 
> demonstrate them effectively. But getting wherever you 
eventually get 

> is half the fun, even though you never get to the end of it. Enjoy.
> 
> Ed

Welcome Randall! You'll find many on here to help with questions. As for
some of the specific things from your post:

> -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the rubber
> pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local Guitar Center,  and
> both the feel & triggering were horrible

Though I use the pads that came with my DTXpress, the problems people
report over time have to do with wrist strain since the gum-rubber pads
don't "give" the way a stretched drum head does. This immediate "stop" to
the stick can leave your wrist/shoudlers sore after a long night of
gigging. Since I use my set just for fun/practice/recording all at home,
I haven't run into this.

>is there supposed to  be a learning curve to using one
>compared to an acoustic hi-hat pedal?

As mentioned earlier, there is a learning curve for any new instrument,
the advantage of the DTXpress is that you can try and make *it* conform
to *you* by playing with a BUNCH of settings. Out of the box, I though
the HHat was too quiet and I had to put too much pressure on the pedal to
get a complete closed sound. played with some settings and now it does
perfect (for me) :)

> The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound
> alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).

Hey now, I used to cover some of their stuff! :) (yikes, dating myself
there.. hmm now where did I leave my parachute pants.. :) But seriously,
one of things you'll notice when you start to play with assigning sounds,
is that you can assign TWO sounds to one pad in "layers". So you could
use a deeper tom behind a thin/bright one to give it depth, then add a
bit of reverb and tweak the decay.. Presto barand new tom! In many cases
you can make some *very* cool sounding drums with just a little effort.
Also, take an evening, grab a beer and sit down to read the manual. ALL
of the manual! It will greatly help you in understanding whats going on.
Now, go back and read the last few sentences. They are VERY important to
getting the most out of your kit! :D

For more help, I suggest Giles Hearns excellent website here:

http://www.dtxpressions.com

Loaded with good tips, tricks and down-loadable drum kits that others
have put together. Good luck and welcome to the group! :)

Vern

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dvaoa28 said:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest percussion.
> Initial reactions include,
> -I'm very impressed how authentic the snare-kick-cymbals &
> hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is there supposed to  be a
> learning curve to using one compared to an acoustic hi-hat
> pedal?
> -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound
> alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm
> hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of acoustic toms
> with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My playing falls
> along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the rubber
> pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local Guitar Center,  and
> both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my taste,
> anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be adjusted
> through the module, but the feel will remain the same.  I guess
> it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the appeal of the
> woven heads.
>
> Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while going through
> the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the system.
>
> Peace,
>
> Randall
>
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Walt,

Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually printing this to give it a try 
tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that came with the set is 
the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does cover the entire 
sweep from wide open to closed, and there's even a mention of 
that in the user manual (flyer) that came with it.  I noticed when 
I'm just opening & closing the pedal without hitting the HH pad, 
in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also getting a random 
open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I suspect this falls into 
the  Rejection settings you mentioned.

Randall

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> 
> Based on our collective experiences I do have a couple
> of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you continue
> to have a good time with your kit.
> 
> There have been 2 things that we have found with the
> way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so to
> avoid them I would suggest that you first reset the
> module to the factory settings.  This is due to some
> members trying to trigger xpress sounds from external
> devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
> menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
> before you customize your settings. 
> 
> The other issue has to do with rejections between the
> HH and snare.  For some reason the factory defaults
> call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
> reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like to
> tell new users about it.  What you need to do is look
> at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
> Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
> Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH trigger
> settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when you
> hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may not
> produce a sound/  Normally for any of the rejection
> parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
> zero (no rejection), unless you have cross triggering
> (one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
> triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
> only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase the
> rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
> increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> 
> Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
> open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to a
> pedal that not only does open and closed, but also has
> a variable range in between.  The HH80A from Yamaha is
> one such pedal.  
> 
> Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want them
> to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you can
> also customize your own.  If you scroll through the
> voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
> front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
> Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
> pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
> suspect you will find many toms to your liking.  The
> same applies to the other pads as well.
> 
> That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to ask
> more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
> search the posts if you have a specific nugget of info
> you're looking for.
> 
> Walt 
> --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> > 
> > I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> > percussion.  
> > Initial reactions include,
> > -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> > snare-kick-cymbals & 
> > hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> > -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> > there supposed to 
> > be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> > acoustic hi-hat 
> > pedal?
> > -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> > sound 
> > alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> > Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> > hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of
> > acoustic toms 
> > with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My
> > playing falls 
> > along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> > -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on the
> > rubber 
> > pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my local
> > Guitar Center, 
> > and both the feel & triggering were horrible (for my
> > taste, 
> > anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could be
> > adjusted 
> > through the module, but the feel will remain the
> > same.  I guess 
> > it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see the
> > appeal of the 
> > woven heads.
> > 
> > Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> > going through 
> > the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of the
> > system.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > 
> > Randall
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Jim,

I did notice the (expansive) list of sounds in the manual; I'll give 
the ones you mentioned a try.  Thanks.

Randall

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:02:04 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> >-The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is there 
supposed to 
> >be a learning curve to using one compared to an acoustic 
hi-hat 
> >pedal?
> 
> You have to lift the pedal just slightly before you hit it.
> 
> 
> >-The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads, sound 
> >alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it, Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> >hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to that of acoustic 
toms 
> >with the module.....please tell me I can?!??!  My playing falls 
> >along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> 
> Try the Maple 10, 12, 14, and flr.  Also, Room1 sounds pretty 
good.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim

Hi Randall,

See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the Lovin
Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the latest
specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute pants!!!

There is also a parm in the utlities called HH Offset
or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts where
the bottom of the pedal is.

I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
kids...

Walt
--- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@...>" <dvaoa28@...>
wrote:
> Walt,
> 
> Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually printing
> this to give it a try 
> tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that came
> with the set is 
> the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does cover
> the entire 
> sweep from wide open to closed, and there's even a
> mention of 
> that in the user manual (flyer) that came with it. 
> I noticed when 
> I'm just opening & closing the pedal without hitting
> the HH pad, 
> in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> getting a random 
> open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I suspect
> this falls into 
> the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
> 
> Randall
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > 
> > Based on our collective experiences I do have a
> couple
> > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you
> continue
> > to have a good time with your kit.
> > 
> > There have been 2 things that we have found with
> the
> > way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so
> to
> > avoid them I would suggest that you first reset
> the
> > module to the factory settings.  This is due to
> some
> > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> external
> > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
> > menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
> > before you customize your settings. 
> > 
> > The other issue has to do with rejections between
> the
> > HH and snare.  For some reason the factory
> defaults
> > call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
> > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like
> to
> > tell new users about it.  What you need to do is
> look
> > at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
> > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
> > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> trigger
> > settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when
> you
> > hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may
> not
> > produce a sound/  Normally for any of the
> rejection
> > parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
> > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> triggering
> > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
> > triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
> > only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase
> the
> > rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
> > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > 
> > Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
> > open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to
> a
> > pedal that not only does open and closed, but also
> has
> > a variable range in between.  The HH80A from
> Yamaha is
> > one such pedal.  
> > 
> > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want
> them
> > to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you
> can
> > also customize your own.  If you scroll through
> the
> > voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
> > front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
> > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
> > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
> > suspect you will find many toms to your liking. 
> The
> > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > 
> > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to
> ask
> > more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
> > search the posts if you have a specific nugget of
> info
> > you're looking for.
> > 
> > Walt 
> > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hey everyone,
> > > 
> > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> > > percussion.  
> > > Initial reactions include,
> > > -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> > > snare-kick-cymbals & 
> > > hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> > > -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> > > there supposed to 
> > > be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> > > acoustic hi-hat 
> > > pedal?
> > > -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> > > sound 
> > > alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> > > Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> > > hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to
> that of
> > > acoustic toms 
> > > with the module.....please tell me I can?!??! 
> My
> > > playing falls 
> > > along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> > > -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on
> the
> > > rubber 
> > > pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my
> local
> > > Guitar Center, 
> > > and both the feel & triggering were horrible
> (for my
> > > taste, 
> > > anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could
> be
> > > adjusted 
> > > through the module, but the feel will remain the
> > > same.  I guess 
> > > it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see
> the
> > > appeal of the 
> > > woven heads.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> > > going through 
> > > the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of
> the
> > > system.
> > > 
> > > Peace,
> > > 
> > > Randall
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From one old fart to another...

The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200 multitrack recorder) 
were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I plan on them being my 
'40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10 yars or so.  My wife's 
just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a slinky 19 year-old or 
something...

Randall

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Randall,
> 
> See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the Lovin
> Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the latest
> specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute pants!!!
> 
> There is also a parm in the utlities called HH Offset
> or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts where
> the bottom of the pedal is.
> 
> I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
> kids...
> 
> Walt
> --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> wrote:
> > Walt,
> > 
> > Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually printing
> > this to give it a try 
> > tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that came
> > with the set is 
> > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does cover
> > the entire 
> > sweep from wide open to closed, and there's even a
> > mention of 
> > that in the user manual (flyer) that came with it. 
> > I noticed when 
> > I'm just opening & closing the pedal without hitting
> > the HH pad, 
> > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> > getting a random 
> > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I suspect
> > this falls into 
> > the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
> > 
> > Randall
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > > 
> > > Based on our collective experiences I do have a
> > couple
> > > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you
> > continue
> > > to have a good time with your kit.
> > > 
> > > There have been 2 things that we have found with
> > the
> > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so
> > to
> > > avoid them I would suggest that you first reset
> > the
> > > module to the factory settings.  This is due to
> > some
> > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> > external
> > > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
> > > menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
> > > before you customize your settings. 
> > > 
> > > The other issue has to do with rejections between
> > the
> > > HH and snare.  For some reason the factory
> > defaults
> > > call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
> > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like
> > to
> > > tell new users about it.  What you need to do is
> > look
> > > at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
> > > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
> > > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> > trigger
> > > settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when
> > you
> > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may
> > not
> > > produce a sound/  Normally for any of the
> > rejection
> > > parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
> > > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> > triggering
> > > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
> > > triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
> > > only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase
> > the
> > > rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
> > > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > > 
> > > Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
> > > open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to
> > a
> > > pedal that not only does open and closed, but also
> > has
> > > a variable range in between.  The HH80A from
> > Yamaha is
> > > one such pedal.  
> > > 
> > > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want
> > them
> > > to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you
> > can
> > > also customize your own.  If you scroll through
> > the
> > > voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
> > > front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
> > > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
> > > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
> > > suspect you will find many toms to your liking. 
> > The
> > > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > > 
> > > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to
> > ask
> > > more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
> > > search the posts if you have a specific nugget of
> > info
> > > you're looking for.
> > > 
> > > Walt 
> > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > 
> > > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> > > > percussion.  
> > > > Initial reactions include,
> > > > -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> > > > snare-kick-cymbals & 
> > > > hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> > > > -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> > > > there supposed to 
> > > > be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> > > > acoustic hi-hat 
> > > > pedal?
> > > > -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> > > > sound 
> > > > alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> > > > Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> > > > hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to
> > that of
> > > > acoustic toms 
> > > > with the module.....please tell me I can?!??! 
> > My
> > > > playing falls 
> > > > along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> > > > -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on
> > the
> > > > rubber 
> > > > pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my
> > local
> > > > Guitar Center, 
> > > > and both the feel & triggering were horrible
> > (for my
> > > > taste, 
> > > > anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could
> > be
> > > > adjusted 
> > > > through the module, but the feel will remain the
> > > > same.  I guess 
> > > > it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see
> > the
> > > > appeal of the 
> > > > woven heads.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> > > > going through 
> > > > the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of
> > the
> > > > system.
> > > > 
> > > > Peace,
> > > > 
> > > > Randall
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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Just 40? Walt would dearly love to be so young again. Just the other 
day, he was telling us what it was like to play his old three-piece 
Slingerland kit with calf skins to Perry Como records.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" 
<dvaoa28@y...> wrote:
> From one old fart to another...
> 
> The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200 multitrack recorder) 
> were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I plan on them being 
my 
> '40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10 yars or so.  My 
wife's 

> just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a slinky 19 year-old or 
> something...
> 
> Randall
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Randall,
> > 
> > See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the Lovin
> > Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the latest
> > specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute pants!!!
> > 
> > There is also a parm in the utlities called HH Offset
> > or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts where
> > the bottom of the pedal is.
> > 
> > I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
> > kids...
> > 
> > Walt
> > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Walt,
> > > 
> > > Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually printing
> > > this to give it a try 
> > > tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that came
> > > with the set is 
> > > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does cover
> > > the entire 
> > > sweep from wide open to closed, and there's even a
> > > mention of 
> > > that in the user manual (flyer) that came with it. 
> > > I noticed when 
> > > I'm just opening & closing the pedal without hitting
> > > the HH pad, 
> > > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> > > getting a random 
> > > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I suspect
> > > this falls into 
> > > the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
> > > 
> > > Randall
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > > > 
> > > > Based on our collective experiences I do have a
> > > couple
> > > > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you
> > > continue
> > > > to have a good time with your kit.
> > > > 
> > > > There have been 2 things that we have found with
> > > the
> > > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so
> > > to
> > > > avoid them I would suggest that you first reset
> > > the
> > > > module to the factory settings.  This is due to
> > > some
> > > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> > > external
> > > > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
> > > > menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
> > > > before you customize your settings. 
> > > > 
> > > > The other issue has to do with rejections between
> > > the
> > > > HH and snare.  For some reason the factory
> > > defaults
> > > > call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
> > > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like
> > > to
> > > > tell new users about it.  What you need to do is
> > > look
> > > > at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
> > > > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
> > > > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> > > trigger
> > > > settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when
> > > you
> > > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may
> > > not
> > > > produce a sound/  Normally for any of the
> > > rejection
> > > > parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
> > > > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> > > triggering
> > > > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
> > > > triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
> > > > only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase
> > > the
> > > > rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
> > > > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > > > 
> > > > Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
> > > > open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to
> > > a
> > > > pedal that not only does open and closed, but also
> > > has
> > > > a variable range in between.  The HH80A from
> > > Yamaha is
> > > > one such pedal.  
> > > > 
> > > > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want
> > > them
> > > > to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you
> > > can
> > > > also customize your own.  If you scroll through
> > > the
> > > > voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
> > > > front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
> > > > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
> > > > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
> > > > suspect you will find many toms to your liking. 
> > > The
> > > > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > > > 
> > > > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to
> > > ask
> > > > more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
> > > > search the posts if you have a specific nugget of
> > > info
> > > > you're looking for.
> > > > 
> > > > Walt 
> > > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> > > > > percussion.  
> > > > > Initial reactions include,
> > > > > -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> > > > > snare-kick-cymbals & 
> > > > > hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> > > > > -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> > > > > there supposed to 
> > > > > be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> > > > > acoustic hi-hat 
> > > > > pedal?
> > > > > -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> > > > > sound 
> > > > > alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> > > > > Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> > > > > hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to
> > > that of
> > > > > acoustic toms 
> > > > > with the module.....please tell me I can?!??! 
> > > My
> > > > > playing falls 
> > > > > along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> > > > > -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on
> > > the
> > > > > rubber 
> > > > > pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my
> > > local
> > > > > Guitar Center, 
> > > > > and both the feel & triggering were horrible
> > > (for my
> > > > > taste, 
> > > > > anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could
> > > be
> > > > > adjusted 
> > > > > through the module, but the feel will remain the
> > > > > same.  I guess 
> > > > > it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see
> > > the
> > > > > appeal of the 
> > > > > woven heads.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> > > > > going through 
> > > > > the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of
> > > the
> > > > > system.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Peace,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Randall
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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slinky 19 year olds?  yeah I know a couple of those, but im only 
21! :)


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" 
<dvaoa28@y...> wrote:
> From one old fart to another...
> 
> The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200 multitrack recorder) 
> were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I plan on them being 
my 
> '40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10 yars or so.  My 
wife's 

> just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a slinky 19 year-old or 
> something...
> 
> Randall
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Randall,
> > 
> > See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the Lovin
> > Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the latest
> > specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute pants!!!
> > 
> > There is also a parm in the utlities called HH Offset
> > or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts where
> > the bottom of the pedal is.
> > 
> > I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
> > kids...
> > 
> > Walt
> > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Walt,
> > > 
> > > Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually printing
> > > this to give it a try 
> > > tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that came
> > > with the set is 
> > > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does cover
> > > the entire 
> > > sweep from wide open to closed, and there's even a
> > > mention of 
> > > that in the user manual (flyer) that came with it. 
> > > I noticed when 
> > > I'm just opening & closing the pedal without hitting
> > > the HH pad, 
> > > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> > > getting a random 
> > > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I suspect
> > > this falls into 
> > > the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
> > > 
> > > Randall
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > > > 
> > > > Based on our collective experiences I do have a
> > > couple
> > > > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure you
> > > continue
> > > > to have a good time with your kit.
> > > > 
> > > > There have been 2 things that we have found with
> > > the
> > > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the factory, so
> > > to
> > > > avoid them I would suggest that you first reset
> > > the
> > > > module to the factory settings.  This is due to
> > > some
> > > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> > > external
> > > > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the Utilities
> > > > menu, and is much less painful if you do it now,
> > > > before you customize your settings. 
> > > > 
> > > > The other issue has to do with rejections between
> > > the
> > > > HH and snare.  For some reason the factory
> > > defaults
> > > > call for the two pads to hate each other - we have
> > > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also like
> > > to
> > > > tell new users about it.  What you need to do is
> > > look
> > > > at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or Self
> > > > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings in the
> > > > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> > > trigger
> > > > settings.  The symptom you may notice is that when
> > > you
> > > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the other may
> > > not
> > > > produce a sound/  Normally for any of the
> > > rejection
> > > > parameters, you want the amount of rejection to be
> > > > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> > > triggering
> > > > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or false
> > > > triggers (one pad sounding more than once when you
> > > > only hit it once).  Then you only want to increase
> > > the
> > > > rejection value enough to eliminate your problem -
> > > > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > > > 
> > > > Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is an
> > > > open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us upgrade to
> > > a
> > > > pedal that not only does open and closed, but also
> > > has
> > > > a variable range in between.  The HH80A from
> > > Yamaha is
> > > > one such pedal.  
> > > > 
> > > > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you want
> > > them
> > > > to be.  There are many predefined kits, but you
> > > can
> > > > also customize your own.  If you scroll through
> > > the
> > > > voice menu, you can press the Voice button on the
> > > > front panel to hear nay sound you have displayed. 
> > > > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also alter its
> > > > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch more.  I
> > > > suspect you will find many toms to your liking. 
> > > The
> > > > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > > > 
> > > > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel free to
> > > ask
> > > > more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can also
> > > > search the posts if you have a specific nugget of
> > > info
> > > > you're looking for.
> > > > 
> > > > Walt 
> > > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from Midwest
> > > > > percussion.  
> > > > > Initial reactions include,
> > > > > -I'm very impressed how authentic the
> > > > > snare-kick-cymbals & 
> > > > > hi-hat sound right out of the box.
> > > > > -The hi-hat controller seems kinda finnicky; is
> > > > > there supposed to 
> > > > > be a learning curve to using one compared to an
> > > > > acoustic hi-hat 
> > > > > pedal?
> > > > > -The toms, esp. in comparison to the other pads,
> > > > > sound 
> > > > > alarmingly synthetic (or as I call it,
> > > > > Flock-of-Seagull-ish).  I'm 
> > > > > hoping that I can tailor the sound closer to
> > > that of
> > > > > acoustic toms 
> > > > > with the module.....please tell me I can?!??! 
> > > My
> > > > > playing falls 
> > > > > along the lines of rock/hard blues.
> > > > > -I'm VERY impressed with triggering accuracy on
> > > the
> > > > > rubber 
> > > > > pads.  I tried a Roland woven mesh kit at my
> > > local
> > > > > Guitar Center, 
> > > > > and both the feel & triggering were horrible
> > > (for my
> > > > > taste, 
> > > > > anyhow).  I assume the triggering on those could
> > > be
> > > > > adjusted 
> > > > > through the module, but the feel will remain the
> > > > > same.  I guess 
> > > > > it's a personal taste issue, but I fail to see
> > > the
> > > > > appeal of the 
> > > > > woven heads.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, hope to tap you all for some help while
> > > > > going through 
> > > > > the growing pains of learning the ins & outs of
> > > the
> > > > > system.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Peace,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Randall
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> __________________________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/

When I started playing as a young lad, to expand out
kit we had to go trap furry forest creatures, then
strech them across self hollowed logs!
--- "underneathheaven <realvast@...>"
<realvast@...> wrote:
> slinky 19 year olds?  yeah I know a couple of those,
> but im only 
> 21! :)
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28
> <dvaoa28@y...>" 
> <dvaoa28@y...> wrote:
> > From one old fart to another...
> > 
> > The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200 multitrack
> recorder) 
> > were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I plan
> on them being 
> my 
> > '40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10 yars
> or so.  My 
> wife's 
> > just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a
> slinky 19 year-old or 
> > something...
> > 
> > Randall
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Randall,
> > > 
> > > See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the
> Lovin
> > > Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the
> latest
> > > specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute
> pants!!!
> > > 
> > > There is also a parm in the utlities called HH
> Offset
> > > or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts
> where
> > > the bottom of the pedal is.
> > > 
> > > I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
> > > kids...
> > > 
> > > Walt
> > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Walt,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually
> printing
> > > > this to give it a try 
> > > > tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one that
> came
> > > > with the set is 
> > > > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does
> cover
> > > > the entire 
> > > > sweep from wide open to closed, and there's
> even a
> > > > mention of 
> > > > that in the user manual (flyer) that came with
> it. 
> > > > I noticed when 
> > > > I'm just opening & closing the pedal without
> hitting
> > > > the HH pad, 
> > > > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> > > > getting a random 
> > > > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I
> suspect
> > > > this falls into 
> > > > the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
> > > > 
> > > > Randall
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> <wgardus@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Based on our collective experiences I do
> have a
> > > > couple
> > > > > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure
> you
> > > > continue
> > > > > to have a good time with your kit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There have been 2 things that we have found
> with
> > > > the
> > > > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the
> factory, so
> > > > to
> > > > > avoid them I would suggest that you first
> reset
> > > > the
> > > > > module to the factory settings.  This is due
> to
> > > > some
> > > > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> > > > external
> > > > > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the
> Utilities
> > > > > menu, and is much less painful if you do it
> now,
> > > > > before you customize your settings. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The other issue has to do with rejections
> between
> > > > the
> > > > > HH and snare.  For some reason the factory
> > > > defaults
> > > > > call for the two pads to hate each other -
> we have
> > > > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also
> like
> > > > to
> > > > > tell new users about it.  What you need to
> do is
> > > > look
> > > > > at the Specific Rejection  (not Rejection or
> Self
> > > > > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings
> in the
> > > > > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> > > > trigger
> > > > > settings.  The symptom you may notice is
> that when
> > > > you
> > > > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the
> other may
> > > > not
> > > > > produce a sound/  Normally for any of the
> > > > rejection
> > > > > parameters, you want the amount of rejection
> to be
> > > > > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> > > > triggering
> > > > > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or
> false
> > > > > triggers (one pad sounding more than once
> when you
> > > > > only hit it once).  Then you only want to
> increase
> > > > the
> > > > > rejection value enough to eliminate your
> problem -
> > > > > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now, on to your questions.  The base HH is
> an
> > > > > open/closed type of pedal.  Many of us
> upgrade to
> > > > a
> > > > > pedal that not only does open and closed,
> but also
> > > > has
> > > > > a variable range in between.  The HH80A from
> > > > Yamaha is
> > > > > one such pedal.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you
> want
> > > > them
> > > > > to be.  There are many predefined kits, but
> you
> > > > can
> > > > > also customize your own.  If you scroll
> through
> > > > the
> > > > > voice menu, you can press the Voice button
> on the
> > > > > front panel to hear nay sound you have
> displayed. 
> > > > > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also
> alter its
> > > > > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch
> more.  I
> > > > > suspect you will find many toms to your
> liking. 
> > > > The
> > > > > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel
> free to
> > > > ask
> > > > > more questions.  We're open 7 x 24!  You can
> also
> > > > > search the posts if you have a specific
> nugget of
> > > > info
> > > > > you're looking for.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Walt 
> > > > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from
> Midwest
> 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wgardus@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:31 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: New DTXpress II owner onboard

When I started playing as a young lad, to expand out
kit we had to go trap furry forest creatures, then
strech them across self hollowed logs!
--- "underneathheaven <realvast@...>"
wrote:
> slinky 19 year olds? yeah I know a couple of those,
> but im only
> 21! :)
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28
> "
> wrote:
> > From one old fart to another...
> >
> > The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200 multitrack
> recorder)
> > were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I plan
> on them being
> my
> > '40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10 yars
> or so. My
> wife's
> > just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a
> slinky 19 year-old or
> > something...
> >
> > Randall
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
> wrote:
> > > Hi Randall,
> > >
> > > See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels, the
> Lovin
> > > Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the
> latest
> > > specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute
> pants!!!
> > >
> > > There is also a parm in the utlities called HH
> Offset
> > > or FC offset, something like that, which adjusts
> where
> > > the bottom of the pedal is.
> > >
> > > I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol now
> > >; kids...
> > >
> > > Walt
> > > --- "dvaoa28 "
> > > wrote:
> > > > Walt,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to you too as well. I'm actually
> printing
> > > > this to give it a try
> > > > tonight. As for the HH pedal, the one that
> came
> >; > > with the set is
> > > > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually does
> cover
> > > > the entire
> > > > sweep from wide open to closed, and there's
> even a
> > > > mention of
> > > > that in the user manual (flyer) that came with
> it.
> > > > I noticed when
> > > > I'm just opening & closing the pedal without
> hitting
> > > > the HH pad,
> > > > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm also
> > > > getting a random
> > > > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I
> suspect
> > > > this falls into
> > > > the Rejection settings you mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > Randall
> > > >
> > > > --- In DTXpress@...m, Walt
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > Based on our collective experiences I do
> have a
> > > > couple
> > > > > of initial suggestions for you, to ensure
> you
> > > > continue
> > > > > to have a good time with your kit.
> > > > >
> > > > > There have been 2 things that we have found
> with
> > > > the
> > > > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the
> factory, so
> > > > to
> > > > >; avoid them I would suggest that you first
> reset
> > > > the
> > > > > module to the factory settings. This is due
> to
> > > > some
> > > > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds from
> > > > external
> > > > > devices. It is done via a prompt in the
> Utilities
> > > > > menu, and is much less painful if you do it
> now,
> > > > > before you customize your settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other issue has to do with rejections
> between
> > > > the
> > > > > HH and snare. For some reason the factory
> > > > defaults
> > > > > call for the two pads to hate each other -
> we have
> > > > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we also
> like
> > > > to
> > > > > tell new users about it. What you need to
> do is
> > > > look
> > > > > at the Specific Rejection (not Rejection or
> Self
> > > >; > Rejection, but Specific Rejection )settings
> in the
>; > > > > Trigger menu for both your snare and your HH
> > > > trigger
> > > > > settings. The symptom you may notice is
> that when
> > > > you
> > > > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the
> other may
> > > > not
> > > > > produce a sound/ Normally for any of the
> > > > rejection
> > > > > parameters, you want the amount of rejection
> to be
> > > > > zero (no rejection), unless you have cross
> > > > triggering
> > > > > (one pad sounding when you hit another) or
> false
> > > > > triggers (one pad sounding more than once
> when you
> > > > > only hit it once). Then you only want to
> increase
> > > > the
> > > > > rejection value enough to eliminate your
> problem -
> > > > > increasing rejection decreases sensitivity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, on to your questions. The base HH is
> an
> > > > > open/closed type of pedal. Many of us
> upgrade to
> >; > > a
> > > > > pedal that not only does open and closed,
> but also
> > > > has
> > >; > > a variable range in between. The HH80A from
> > > > Yamaha is
> > > > > one such pedal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your tom sounds can be almost anything you
> want
> > > > them
> > > > > to be. There are many predefined kits, but
> you
> > > > can
> > > > > also customize your own. If you scroll
> through
> > > > the
> > > > > voice menu, you can press the Voice button
> on the
> > > > > front panel to hear nay sound you have
> displayed.
> > > > > Beyond selecting the sound, you can also
> alter its
> > >; > > pitch, decay, reverb - plus a whole bunch
> more. ; I
> > > > > suspect you will find many toms to your
> liking.
> > > > The
> > > > > same applies to the other pads as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is a lot to swallow for now, but feel
> free to
> > > > ask
> > > > > more questions. We're open 7 x 24! You can
> also
> > > > > search the posts if you have a specific
> nugget of
> > > > info
> > > > > you're looking for.
> > > > >
> > > > > Walt
> > > > > --- "dvaoa28 "
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > > >
> > >; > > > I just got my new DTXpress I set from
> Midwest
>
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Where do you think the idea for wheels came from - us
drummers, that's where!
--- Creighton Higgins <creighton@...>
wrote:
> You had logs?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Walt [mailto:wgardus@...]
>   Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:31 PM
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Re: New DTXpress II owner
> onboard
> 
> 
>   When I started playing as a young lad, to expand
> out
>   kit we had to go trap furry forest creatures, then
>   strech them across self hollowed logs!
>   --- "underneathheaven <realvast@...>"
>   <realvast@...> wrote:
>   > slinky 19 year olds?  yeah I know a couple of
> those,
>   > but im only 
>   > 21! :)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "dvaoa28
>   > <dvaoa28@y...>" 
>   > <dvaoa28@y...> wrote:
>   > > From one old fart to another...
>   > > 
>   > > The DTXpressII (along with a Korg D1200
> multitrack
>   > recorder) 
>   > > were gifts to myself now that I've hit 40...I
> plan
>   > on them being 
>   > my 
>   > > '40s mid-life crisis therapy for the next 10
> yars
>   > or so.  My 
>   > wife's 
>   > > just happy it was that & not a Corvette or a
>   > slinky 19 year-old or 
>   > > something...
>   > > 
>   > > Randall
>   > > 
>   > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
>   > <wgardus@y...> wrote:
>   > > > Hi Randall,
>   > > > 
>   > > > See, us OLD guys that covered The Rascels,
> the
>   > Lovin
>   > > > Spoonful and that era can't keep up with the
>   > latest
>   > > > specs, and these darn Kids wearing Parachute
>   > pants!!!
>   > > > 
>   > > > There is also a parm in the utlities called
> HH
>   > Offset
>   > > > or FC offset, something like that, which
> adjusts
>   > where
>   > > > the bottom of the pedal is.
>   > > > 
>   > > > I'm going to go take another hit of Geritol
> now
>   > > > kids...
>   > > > 
>   > > > Walt
>   > > > --- "dvaoa28 <dvaoa28@y...>" <dvaoa28@y...>
>   > > > wrote:
>   > > > > Walt,
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Thanks to you too as well.  I'm actually
>   > printing
>   > > > > this to give it a try 
>   > > > > tonight.  As for the HH pedal, the one
> that
>   > came
>   > > > > with the set is 
>   > > > > the HH65; I've noticed that id actually
> does
>   > cover
>   > > > > the entire 
>   > > > > sweep from wide open to closed, and
> there's
>   > even a
>   > > > > mention of 
>   > > > > that in the user manual (flyer) that came
> with
>   > it. 
>   > > > > I noticed when 
>   > > > > I'm just opening & closing the pedal
> without
>   > hitting
>   > > > > the HH pad, 
>   > > > > in addition to the closed HH "clicks" I'm
> also
>   > > > > getting a random 
>   > > > > open HH sound thrown in as a bonus ;-) I
>   > suspect
>   > > > > this falls into 
>   > > > > the  Rejection settings you mentioned.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Randall
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt
>   > <wgardus@y...>
>   > > > > wrote:
>   > > > > > Hi Randall, and Welcome.
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > Based on our collective experiences I do
>   > have a
>   > > > > couple
>   > > > > > of initial suggestions for you, to
> ensure
>   > you
>   > > > > continue
>   > > > > > to have a good time with your kit.
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > There have been 2 things that we have
> found
>   > with
>   > > > > the
>   > > > > > way the xpress IIs are coming from the
>   > factory, so
>   > > > > to
>   > > > > > avoid them I would suggest that you
> first
>   > reset
>   > > > > the
>   > > > > > module to the factory settings.  This is
> due
>   > to
>   > > > > some
>   > > > > > members trying to trigger xpress sounds
> from
>   > > > > external
>   > > > > > devices.  It is done via a prompt in the
>   > Utilities
>   > > > > > menu, and is much less painful if you do
> it
>   > now,
>   > > > > > before you customize your settings. 
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > The other issue has to do with
> rejections
>   > between
>   > > > > the
>   > > > > > HH and snare.  For some reason the
> factory
>   > > > > defaults
>   > > > > > call for the two pads to hate each other
> -
>   > we have
>   > > > > > reported the problem to Yamaha, but we
> also
>   > like
>   > > > > to
>   > > > > > tell new users about it.  What you need
> to
>   > do is
>   > > > > look
>   > > > > > at the Specific Rejection  (not
> Rejection or
>   > Self
>   > > > > > Rejection, but Specific Rejection
> )settings
>   > in the
>   > > > > > Trigger menu for both your snare and
> your HH
>   > > > > trigger
>   > > > > > settings.  The symptom you may notice is
>   > that when
>   > > > > you
>   > > > > > hit the snare and HH together, or or the
>   > other may
>   > > > > not
>   > > > > > produce a sound/  Normally for any of
> the
>   > > > > rejection
>   > > > > > parameters, you want the amount of
> rejection
>   > to be
>   > > > > > zero (no rejection), unless you have
> cross
>   > > > > triggering
>   > > > > > (one pad sounding when you hit another)
> or
>   > false
>   > > > > > triggers (one pad sounding more than
> once
>   > when you
>   > > > > > only hit it once).  Then you only want
> to
>   > increase
>   > > > > the
>   > > > > > rejection value enough to eliminate your
>   > problem -
>   > > > > > increasing rejection decreases
> sensitivity.
>   > > > > > 
> 
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