Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when layering 
cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that impressed 
with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' setand 
the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE actually 
taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman

Not having my kit here, I can't say which sounds I use, But I know the 
only cymbals I layer are for the rides. I layer a 'ringy' one with a 
'washy' one. They are sampled sounds as far as I know.
I layer all my snares. I only layer toms for a big beefy sound, 
otherwise, I like a cleaner, more pure tone on toms.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "antmandrums" <ahr33@h...> wrote:

> has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when layering 
> cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that impressed 
> with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' setand 
> the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE actually 
> taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman

Hi Antman,

You've put your finger on something. The Yamaha sounds are all 
supposedly sampled, but in the case of the cymbals, you'd never know 
it. As good as many of the DTXpress's drum sounds are, the cymbals 
seem to lag far behind (though I like the crashes much better than 
the rides). The reason for the difference may be that Yamaha 
manufactures drums but not cymbals. The sounds have to come from 
somewhere, but where? Wouldn't the company have to pay a licensing 
fee if it sampled, say, Zildjian or Paiste products? Enough said. 
Mediocre cymbal sounds seem to be the outcome. What do you get when 
you layer two mediocre cymbal sounds--one as half as mediocre or one 
twice as mediocre? Okay, I'm being harsh to make a point. The 
situation isn't all that bad. I agree with Scott about layering. I 
leave the crashes alone and layer the rides. I haven't tried Scott's 
idea; it sounds promising. I usually layer two related sounds to get 
a stronger version. The resulting ride definitely sounds better when 
other instruments are playing; in a vaccuum, it still doesn't 
sound . . . beautiful.


Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "antmandrums" <ahr33@h...> wrote:
> has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when 
layering 
> cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that impressed 
> with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' setand 
> the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE 
actually 
> taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman

The worst thing about the cymbals, is that when lengthening the decay, 
you get what sounds like a bit of echo as the thing is repeating stuff 
to make itself longer. I don't like this at all.
BUT if you layer two IDENTICAL sounds, be they toms or cymbals, you 
get a very cool phasing effect. You have to have tuning and all 
parameters exactly the same.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> Hi Antman,
> 
> You've put your finger on something. The Yamaha sounds are all 
> supposedly sampled, but in the case of the cymbals, you'd never know 
> it. As good as many of the DTXpress's drum sounds are, the cymbals 
> seem to lag far behind (though I like the crashes much better than 
> the rides). The reason for the difference may be that Yamaha 
> manufactures drums but not cymbals. The sounds have to come from 
> somewhere, but where? Wouldn't the company have to pay a licensing 
> fee if it sampled, say, Zildjian or Paiste products? Enough said. 
> Mediocre cymbal sounds seem to be the outcome. What do you get when 
> you layer two mediocre cymbal sounds--one as half as mediocre or one 
> twice as mediocre? Okay, I'm being harsh to make a point. The 
> situation isn't all that bad. I agree with Scott about layering. I 
> leave the crashes alone and layer the rides. I haven't tried Scott's 
> idea; it sounds promising. I usually layer two related sounds to get 
> a stronger version. The resulting ride definitely sounds better when 
> other instruments are playing; in a vaccuum, it still doesn't 
> sound . . . beautiful.
> 
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "antmandrums" <ahr33@h...> wrote:
> > has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when 
> layering 
> > cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that impressed 
> > with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' setand 
> > the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE 
> actually 
> > taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman

Right on! Cymbals are disappointing in my view, as well. Now, because 
I'm short on financial and technical resources, I haven't got into 
importing sounds to the basic module. But can anyone who has please 
explain whether it is possible to, say, import a cymbal sound and 
store it on the DTXpress?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Antman,
> 
> You've put your finger on something. The Yamaha sounds are all 
> supposedly sampled, but in the case of the cymbals, you'd never 
know 
> it. As good as many of the DTXpress's drum sounds are, the cymbals 
> seem to lag far behind (though I like the crashes much better than 
> the rides). The reason for the difference may be that Yamaha 
> manufactures drums but not cymbals. The sounds have to come from 
> somewhere, but where? Wouldn't the company have to pay a licensing 
> fee if it sampled, say, Zildjian or Paiste products? Enough said. 
> Mediocre cymbal sounds seem to be the outcome. What do you get when 
> you layer two mediocre cymbal sounds--one as half as mediocre or 
one 
> twice as mediocre? Okay, I'm being harsh to make a point. The 
> situation isn't all that bad. I agree with Scott about layering. I 
> leave the crashes alone and layer the rides. I haven't tried 
Scott's 
> idea; it sounds promising. I usually layer two related sounds to 
get 
> a stronger version. The resulting ride definitely sounds better 
when 
> other instruments are playing; in a vaccuum, it still doesn't 
> sound . . . beautiful.
> 
> 
> Ed
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "antmandrums" <ahr33@h...> wrote:
> > has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when 
> layering 
> > cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that 
impressed 
> > with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' 
setand 

> > the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE 
> actually 
> > taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman

The Xpress module doesn't take external samples. You're limited to 
tinkering with what's already there. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Right on! Cymbals are disappointing in my view, as well. Now, 
because 
> I'm short on financial and technical resources, I haven't got into 
> importing sounds to the basic module. But can anyone who has 
please 
> explain whether it is possible to, say, import a cymbal sound and 
> store it on the DTXpress?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Antman,
> > 
> > You've put your finger on something. The Yamaha sounds are all 
> > supposedly sampled, but in the case of the cymbals, you'd never 
> know 
> > it. As good as many of the DTXpress's drum sounds are, the 
cymbals 
> > seem to lag far behind (though I like the crashes much better 
than 
> > the rides). The reason for the difference may be that Yamaha 
> > manufactures drums but not cymbals. The sounds have to come from 
> > somewhere, but where? Wouldn't the company have to pay a 
licensing 
> > fee if it sampled, say, Zildjian or Paiste products? Enough 
said. 
> > Mediocre cymbal sounds seem to be the outcome. What do you get 
when 
> > you layer two mediocre cymbal sounds--one as half as mediocre or 
> one 
> > twice as mediocre? Okay, I'm being harsh to make a point. The 
> > situation isn't all that bad. I agree with Scott about layering. 
I 
> > leave the crashes alone and layer the rides. I haven't tried 
> Scott's 
> > idea; it sounds promising. I usually layer two related sounds to 
> get 
> > a stronger version. The resulting ride definitely sounds better 
> when 
> > other instruments are playing; in a vaccuum, it still doesn't 
> > sound . . . beautiful.
> > 
> > 
> > Ed
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "antmandrums" <ahr33@h...> 
wrote:

> > > has anybody stumbled across any real good combinations when 
> > layering 
> > > cymbals.i love the drum sounds when layered,but not that 
> impressed 
> > > with cymbals/hihats.as far as hihats i normally use the'mu' 
> setand 
> > > the 'dw'.does any one know if the cymbal sounds on the ARE 
> > actually 
> > > taken from REAL cymbals? thanx to all who reply,antman