Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best sound 
out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard right?  
Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to have to 
sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!

-UN.H

Hi UNH,

How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about playing 
through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an amp 
marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A good 
keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--assuming 
high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much power 
and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet and 
physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the advantage 
of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep kick 
and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient for some 
purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power are 
clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out of 
them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. A lot 
of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, and most 
people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for the 
first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away with 
thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind of 
music and the kind of room. 

I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with the 
dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply doesn't 
have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of space 
and people, especially in competition with the drummer's natural 
enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the bass 
section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-500 
keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same problem. 
At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, you'd 
sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips stuck 
in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps as 
personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement them 
without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to have a 
group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 1000W 
downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise that 
anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at all. 
Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it takes 
1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as many 
watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best sound 
> out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard right?  
> Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to have 
to 

> sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> 
> -UN.H

Thanks ed, thats exactly what I was looking for.  Basically I need 
an amp to play along with my guitarist friend while he records into 
my computer.  After that we'll just switch and I'll lay down the 
drum track.  It sucks that I can't play while he's recording like 
he'd like me to.  I guess these amps you talked about would work 
well in my room then eh?  I was also curious about the live 
situation.  What about the band just practicing in a garage?  The 
amps you mentioned should work ok there right?  Thanks!!

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi UNH,
> 
> How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about playing 
> through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an amp 
> marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A good 
> keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--
assuming 
> high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much 
power 
> and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet and 
> physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the 
advantage 
> of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep kick 
> and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient for 
some 
> purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power are 
> clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out of 
> them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. A 
lot 
> of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, and 
most 
> people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for the 
> first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away with 
> thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind of 
> music and the kind of room. 
> 
> I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with the 
> dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
doesn't 
> have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of 
space 
> and people, especially in competition with the drummer's natural 
> enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the bass 
> section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-500 
> keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same 
problem. 
> At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, 
you'd 
> sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips stuck 
> in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps as 
> personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement 
them 
> without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to have a 
> group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 
1000W 
> downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise that 
> anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at all. 
> Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it 
takes 
> 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as many 
> watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best 
sound 
> > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
right?  
> > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to 
have 

> to 
> > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > 
> > -UN.H

My guess is that if everyone agrees to play nice together, the amps 
could work fine in a practice situation. For your room, they would 
be far more than adequate; they could easily get you kicked out of 
college, an apartment, or even your parents' house. If I needed an 
amp for home, I'd probably think seriously about the Roland PM-3 or 
even a Roland mono keyboard amp, though I hate Roland for its 
prices. The JBL options (Eon) are good, too, and I'm sure a lot of 
other keyboard amps are as well, though I'm not familiar with all of 
the varieties. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Thanks ed, thats exactly what I was looking for.  Basically I need 
> an amp to play along with my guitarist friend while he records 
into 
> my computer.  After that we'll just switch and I'll lay down the 
> drum track.  It sucks that I can't play while he's recording like 
> he'd like me to.  I guess these amps you talked about would work 
> well in my room then eh?  I was also curious about the live 
> situation.  What about the band just practicing in a garage?  The 
> amps you mentioned should work ok there right?  Thanks!!
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi UNH,
> > 
> > How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about playing 
> > through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> > interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an 
amp 
> > marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A good 
> > keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--
> assuming 
> > high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much 
> power 
> > and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet and 
> > physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the 
> advantage 
> > of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep 
kick 
> > and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient for 
> some 
> > purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power are 
> > clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out of 
> > them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. A 
> lot 
> > of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, and 
> most 
> > people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for 
the 
> > first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away 
with 
> > thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind of 
> > music and the kind of room. 
> > 
> > I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with the 
> > dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
> doesn't 
> > have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of 
> space 
> > and people, especially in competition with the drummer's natural 
> > enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the 
bass 
> > section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-500 
> > keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same 
> problem. 
> > At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, 
> you'd 
> > sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips 
stuck 
> > in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps 
as 
> > personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement 
> them 
> > without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to have 
a 
> > group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 
> 1000W 
> > downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise that 
> > anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at 
all. 
> > Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it 
> takes 
> > 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as 
many 

> > watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best 
> sound 
> > > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
> right?  
> > > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to 
> have 
> > to 
> > > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H

Ed, how about Yamaha keyboard amps?  Should be good?  I am 
interested in Roland but I'm also interested in eating.

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> My guess is that if everyone agrees to play nice together, the 
amps 
> could work fine in a practice situation. For your room, they would 
> be far more than adequate; they could easily get you kicked out of 
> college, an apartment, or even your parents' house. If I needed an 
> amp for home, I'd probably think seriously about the Roland PM-3 
or 
> even a Roland mono keyboard amp, though I hate Roland for its 
> prices. The JBL options (Eon) are good, too, and I'm sure a lot of 
> other keyboard amps are as well, though I'm not familiar with all 
of 
> the varieties. 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Thanks ed, thats exactly what I was looking for.  Basically I 
need 
> > an amp to play along with my guitarist friend while he records 
> into 
> > my computer.  After that we'll just switch and I'll lay down the 
> > drum track.  It sucks that I can't play while he's recording 
like 
> > he'd like me to.  I guess these amps you talked about would work 
> > well in my room then eh?  I was also curious about the live 
> > situation.  What about the band just practicing in a garage?  
The 
> > amps you mentioned should work ok there right?  Thanks!!
> > 
> > -UN.H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi UNH,
> > > 
> > > How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about 
playing 
> > > through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> > > interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an 
> amp 
> > > marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A 
good 
> > > keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--
> > assuming 
> > > high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much 
> > power 
> > > and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet 
and 
> > > physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the 
> > advantage 
> > > of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep 
> kick 
> > > and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient 
for 
> > some 
> > > purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power 
are 
> > > clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out 
of 
> > > them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. 
A 
> > lot 
> > > of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, 
and 
> > most 
> > > people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for 
> the 
> > > first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away 
> with 
> > > thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind 
of 
> > > music and the kind of room. 
> > > 
> > > I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with 
the 
> > > dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
> > doesn't 
> > > have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of 
> > space 
> > > and people, especially in competition with the drummer's 
natural 
> > > enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the 
> bass 
> > > section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-
500 
> > > keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same 
> > problem. 
> > > At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, 
> > you'd 
> > > sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips 
> stuck 
> > > in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps 
> as 
> > > personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement 
> > them 
> > > without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to 
have 
> a 
> > > group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 
> > 1000W 
> > > downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise 
that 

> > > anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at 
> all. 
> > > Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it 
> > takes 
> > > 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as 
> many 
> > > watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > <realvast@s...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best 
> > sound 
> > > > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
> > right?  
> > > > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to 
> > have 
> > > to 
> > > > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > -UN.H

My guess is that the Yamaha's are every bit as viable as Roland's; I 
just haven't heard them. Roland usually exceeds everyone else in 
price, not necessarily quality, though, to be fair, quality ain't 
bad either, in the scheme of things. I'd like to hear equivalent 
models side by side, but how often do we get to do that? Yamaha 
makes good stuff; that much we know.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Ed, how about Yamaha keyboard amps?  Should be good?  I am 
> interested in Roland but I'm also interested in eating.
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > My guess is that if everyone agrees to play nice together, the 
> amps 
> > could work fine in a practice situation. For your room, they 
would 
> > be far more than adequate; they could easily get you kicked out 
of 
> > college, an apartment, or even your parents' house. If I needed 
an 
> > amp for home, I'd probably think seriously about the Roland PM-3 
> or 
> > even a Roland mono keyboard amp, though I hate Roland for its 
> > prices. The JBL options (Eon) are good, too, and I'm sure a lot 
of 
> > other keyboard amps are as well, though I'm not familiar with 
all 
> of 
> > the varieties. 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks ed, thats exactly what I was looking for.  Basically I 
> need 
> > > an amp to play along with my guitarist friend while he records 
> > into 
> > > my computer.  After that we'll just switch and I'll lay down 
the 
> > > drum track.  It sucks that I can't play while he's recording 
> like 
> > > he'd like me to.  I guess these amps you talked about would 
work 
> > > well in my room then eh?  I was also curious about the live 
> > > situation.  What about the band just practicing in a garage?  
> The 
> > > amps you mentioned should work ok there right?  Thanks!!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hi UNH,
> > > > 
> > > > How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about 
> playing 
> > > > through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> > > > interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need 
an 
> > amp 
> > > > marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A 
> good 
> > > > keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--
> > > assuming 
> > > > high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as 
much 
> > > power 
> > > > and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet 
> and 
> > > > physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the 
> > > advantage 
> > > > of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, 
deep 
> > kick 
> > > > and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient 
> for 
> > > some 
> > > > purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power 
> are 
> > > > clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound 
out 
> of 
> > > > them. The kick might still have punch, though not much 
depth. 
> A 
> > > lot 
> > > > of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, 
> and 
> > > most 
> > > > people don't know what they're missing until they hear it 
for 
> > the 
> > > > first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get 
away 
> > with 
> > > > thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the 
kind 
> of 
> > > > music and the kind of room. 
> > > > 
> > > > I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with 
> the 
> > > > dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
> > > doesn't 
> > > > have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot 
of 
> > > space 
> > > > and people, especially in competition with the drummer's 
> natural 
> > > > enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and 
the 
> > bass 
> > > > section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-
> 500 
> > > > keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same 
> > > problem. 
> > > > At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a 
stadium, 
> > > you'd 
> > > > sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips 
> > stuck 
> > > > in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these 
amps 
> > as 
> > > > personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to 
supplement 
> > > them 
> > > > without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to 
> have 
> > a 
> > > > group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to 
adjust 
> > > 1000W 
> > > > downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise 
> that 
> > > > anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at 
> > all. 
> > > > Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; 
it 
> > > takes 
> > > > 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as 
> > many 
> > > > watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > > <realvast@s...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the 
best 
> > > sound 
> > > > > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
> > > right?  
> > > > > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need 
to 

> > > have 
> > > > to 
> > > > > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > > > > 
> > > > > -UN.H

I found an inexpensive amp that has these features

120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones out 
Additional main out for connection of external amps

$249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)

Behringer website - KX1200
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=KX1200&lang=eng

PADMAN

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi UNH,
> 
> How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about playing 
> through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an amp 
> marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A good 
> keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--assuming 
> high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much 
power 
> and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet and 
> physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the advantage 
> of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep kick 
> and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient for 
some 
> purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power are 
> clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out of 
> them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. A lot 
> of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, and 
most 
> people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for the 
> first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away with 
> thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind of 
> music and the kind of room. 
> 
> I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with the 
> dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
doesn't 
> have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of space 
> and people, especially in competition with the drummer's natural 
> enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the bass 
> section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-500 
> keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same problem. 
> At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, 
you'd 
> sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips stuck 
> in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps as 
> personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement them 
> without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to have a 
> group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 1000W 
> downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise that 
> anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at all. 
> Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it 
takes 
> 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as many 
> watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best sound 
> > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
right?  

> > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to have 
> to 
> > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > 
> > -UN.H

Thanks that sounds pretty cool.  Comes with a little PA and EQ.  Is 
the brand pretty good??  I like how the description of the product 
mentions electronic drummers too.  So what do you all think?

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "padavie" <padavie@y...> wrote:
> I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
> 
> 120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
> Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
> Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
> Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
> Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
> Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones out 
> Additional main out for connection of external amps
> 
> $249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
> 
> Behringer website - KX1200
> http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?
id=KX1200&lang=eng
> 
> PADMAN
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi UNH,
> > 
> > How goes it? This old timer no longer has to worry about playing 
> > through anything but a board and headphones, but I've had an 
> > interest in sound for a long time. You certainly don't need an 
amp 
> > marketed solely for e-drums to get decent sound quality. A good 
> > keyboard amp would do, but what you need for e-drums live--
assuming 
> > high quality parts in the amp and speaker sections, is as much 
> power 
> > and as much size in the woofer, or subwoofer, as your wallet and 
> > physical space can afford. Keyboard amps usually have the 
advantage 
> > of a wide frequency response, translating into a punchy, deep 
kick 
> > and shimmering cymbals. A ten-inch woofer can be sufficient for 
> some 
> > purposes, but a fifteen is better. If the speaker and power are 
> > clean but not too big, you can still get a pleasing sound out of 
> > them. The kick might still have punch, though not much depth. A 
lot 
> > of home and/or portable stereos feature this sort of sound, and 
> most 
> > people don't know what they're missing until they hear it for 
the 
> > first time. A drummer, however, might not be able to get away 
with 
> > thin sound in a band situation, though, depending on the kind of 
> > music and the kind of room. 
> > 
> > I've played the Roland Session set in a live situation with the 
> > dedicated PM-3, and although I liked what I heard, it simply 
> doesn't 
> > have enough authority to survive a live setting with a lot of 
space 
> > and people, especially in competition with the drummer's natural 
> > enemy, the guitarist. The satellites are rated at 50W and the 
bass 
> > section, with 10-inch woofers, at 100W. I think that the KC-500 
> > keyboard amp, rated at 150W, would have basically the same 
problem. 
> > At home, you'd sound like you were in a stadium; in a stadium, 
> you'd 
> > sound like you were at home playing with two boxes of Q tips 
stuck 
> > in your ears. Live, you could certainly use both of these amps 
as 
> > personal monitors. It's hard to know exactly how to supplement 
them 
> > without knowing the venue. That's why it's always safest to have 
a 
> > group PA that can handle any situation. It's easier to adjust 
1000W 
> > downward if necessary than to get 150W to make a big noise that 
> > anyone would want to hear--that is, if they could hear it at 
all. 
> > Remember also that 200W doesn't play twice as loud as 100W; it 
> takes 
> > 1000 to do that. The safest thing to say is that you need as 
many 
> > watts and inches as you an afford and hope for the best.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Is it vital to have an amp made for e-drums to get the best 
sound 
> > > out of your e-drums?  I mean you could also use a keyboard 
> right?  
> > > Also, how much power would (watt wise) would the amp need to 
have 

> > to 
> > > sound good in a live situation?  Thanks!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H

UN.H...

Couple of those going on eBay too. Noticed 'em in passing.

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Thanks that sounds pretty cool.  Comes with a little PA and EQ.  
Is 
> the brand pretty good??  I like how the description of the product 
> mentions electronic drummers too.  So what do you all think?
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "padavie" <padavie@y...> wrote:
> > I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
> > 
> > 120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
> > Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
> > Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
> > Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
> > Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
> > Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones 
out 

> > Additional main out for connection of external amps
> > 
> > $249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
> > 
> > Behringer website - KX1200
> > http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?
> id=KX1200&lang=eng
> > 
> > PADMAN
> >

On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:56 +0000, you wrote:

>I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
>
>120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
>Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
>Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
>Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
>Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
>Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones out 
>Additional main out for connection of external amps
>
>$249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
>
>Behringer website - KX1200
>http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=KX1200&lang=eng


I was all ready to say "buy it" until I saw it was a Behringer KX1200.

I've read some bad reviews (quite a few) and all say the same thing.
Distortion (hiss, pops and crackles) and very poor packaging.  Many
arrive with a damaged corner due to the poor factory packaging.  I
read one guy's story of how his initial purchase was returned due to a
crushed corner, the replacement came with a damaged corner, and the
replacement for the replacement came with you guessed it, a damaged
corner.  But that aside, the distortion was enough to dissuade me from
buying one.

$50 more puts you in reach of stuff from Peavey, Fender and some
Roland.  All of it better than the Behringer.  You might even keep an
eye out in the classifieds and check your local music shops and pawn
shops for a used model from the three mentioned above.  I picked up a
used Peavey KB-100 on eBay for $165.  The seller was 40 miles from me
so I saved shipping charges by picking it up from him.  I'm very happy
with it.  Great for a small gig, too powerful for the house ;^}, a
clean sound for $165.  I think they go for $300 new.



____________________________

Jim

Thanks for saving me the money ratzo!  What are the specs for the KB-
100?  I'm assuming its a keyboard amp?  It works good for rock gigs 
or what kinda gigs?  Thanks!!

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:56 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
> >
> >120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
> >Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
> >Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
> >Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
> >Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
> >Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones out 
> >Additional main out for connection of external amps
> >
> >$249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
> >
> >Behringer website - KX1200
> >http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?
id=KX1200&lang=eng
> 
> 
> I was all ready to say "buy it" until I saw it was a Behringer 
KX1200.
> 
> I've read some bad reviews (quite a few) and all say the same 
thing.
> Distortion (hiss, pops and crackles) and very poor packaging.  Many
> arrive with a damaged corner due to the poor factory packaging.  I
> read one guy's story of how his initial purchase was returned due 
to a
> crushed corner, the replacement came with a damaged corner, and the
> replacement for the replacement came with you guessed it, a damaged
> corner.  But that aside, the distortion was enough to dissuade me 
from
> buying one.
> 
> $50 more puts you in reach of stuff from Peavey, Fender and some
> Roland.  All of it better than the Behringer.  You might even keep 
an
> eye out in the classifieds and check your local music shops and 
pawn
> shops for a used model from the three mentioned above.  I picked 
up a
> used Peavey KB-100 on eBay for $165.  The seller was 40 miles from 
me
> so I saved shipping charges by picking it up from him.  I'm very 
happy

> with it.  Great for a small gig, too powerful for the house ;^}, a
> clean sound for $165.  I think they go for $300 new.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim

On Wed, 14 May 2003 05:57:40 +0000, you wrote:

>Thanks for saving me the money ratzo!  What are the specs for the KB-
>100?  I'm assuming its a keyboard amp?  It works good for rock gigs 
>or what kinda gigs?  Thanks!!

The specs are here...

 http://www.peavey.com/products/amps_mi/midi/kba100.cfm

Yes, all the Peavey KB series are keyboard amps.  I believe Fender's
are KX's, Rolands KC's.

I've never gigged with it, but I'm quite confident it will be
sufficient for small gigs.  It has a 15" woofer and turned up, it can
shake the hell out of you.  I believe it has all the same features the
Behringer you described has.  I keep the mix flat on the amp though
and use a Behringer four channel mixer.  BTW, their mixers are great.




____________________________

Jim

RE: Behringer - KX1200

I have NO Distortion, hiss, pops and crackles.

The packaging was extremely good, packing within packing.

Great eq for the lows of the kick and highs of the HH and CYMs

XLR inputs if you need 

Builting direct out if you need. I use a DI20 to allow the PA total 
house control.

PADMAN

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:56 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
> >
> >120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
> >Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
> >Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
> >Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
> >Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
> >Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones out 
> >Additional main out for connection of external amps
> >
> >$249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
> >
> >Behringer website - KX1200
> >http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?
id=KX1200&lang=eng
> 
> 
> I was all ready to say "buy it" until I saw it was a Behringer 
KX1200.
> 
> I've read some bad reviews (quite a few) and all say the same thing.
> Distortion (hiss, pops and crackles) and very poor packaging.  Many
> arrive with a damaged corner due to the poor factory packaging.  I
> read one guy's story of how his initial purchase was returned due 
to a
> crushed corner, the replacement came with a damaged corner, and the
> replacement for the replacement came with you guessed it, a damaged
> corner.  But that aside, the distortion was enough to dissuade me 
from
> buying one.
> 
> $50 more puts you in reach of stuff from Peavey, Fender and some
> Roland.  All of it better than the Behringer.  You might even keep 
an
> eye out in the classifieds and check your local music shops and pawn
> shops for a used model from the three mentioned above.  I picked up 
a
> used Peavey KB-100 on eBay for $165.  The seller was 40 miles from 
me
> so I saved shipping charges by picking it up from him.  I'm very 
happy

> with it.  Great for a small gig, too powerful for the house ;^}, a
> clean sound for $165.  I think they go for $300 new.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Jim

Padman,

Despite your good fortune with the Behringer amp, the warning should 
still stand. These sorts of problems are hit and miss, and Behringer 
appears to have a reputation for spotty workmanship (as well as for 
infringement on patents, for which they have been sued many times). 
The low price comes with a bit of a gamble.

Ed 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "padavie" <padavie@y...> wrote:
> RE: Behringer - KX1200
> 
> I have NO Distortion, hiss, pops and crackles.
> 
> The packaging was extremely good, packing within packing.
> 
> Great eq for the lows of the kick and highs of the HH and CYMs
> 
> XLR inputs if you need 
> 
> Builting direct out if you need. I use a DI20 to allow the PA 
total 
> house control.
> 
> PADMAN
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Ratzo <ratzo@t...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:56 +0000, you wrote:
> > 
> > >I found an inexpensive amp that has these features
> > >
> > >120-Watt RMS amp in 3-way bass reflex cabinet 
> > >Custom-made 15 in. woofer, 5 in. midrange speaker and HF driver 
> > >Full 4-channel operation with separate volume and effects send 
> > >Additional XLR mic input on channel one 
> > >Active, extremely musical 4-band EQ 
> > >Stereo tape I/O, effects send/return, balanced DI out, phones 
out 
> > >Additional main out for connection of external amps
> > >
> > >$249 at www.zzounds.com (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHKX1200)
> > >
> > >Behringer website - KX1200
> > >http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?
> id=KX1200&lang=eng
> > 
> > 
> > I was all ready to say "buy it" until I saw it was a Behringer 
> KX1200.
> > 
> > I've read some bad reviews (quite a few) and all say the same 
thing.
> > Distortion (hiss, pops and crackles) and very poor packaging.  
Many
> > arrive with a damaged corner due to the poor factory packaging.  
I
> > read one guy's story of how his initial purchase was returned 
due 
> to a
> > crushed corner, the replacement came with a damaged corner, and 
the
> > replacement for the replacement came with you guessed it, a 
damaged
> > corner.  But that aside, the distortion was enough to dissuade 
me 
> from
> > buying one.
> > 
> > $50 more puts you in reach of stuff from Peavey, Fender and some
> > Roland.  All of it better than the Behringer.  You might even 
keep 
> an
> > eye out in the classifieds and check your local music shops and 
pawn
> > shops for a used model from the three mentioned above.  I picked 
up 
> a
> > used Peavey KB-100 on eBay for $165.  The seller was 40 miles 
from 
> me
> > so I saved shipping charges by picking it up from him.  I'm very 
> happy
> > with it.  Great for a small gig, too powerful for the house ;^}, 
a

> > clean sound for $165.  I think they go for $300 new.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________________________
> > 
> > Jim