Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?

I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my biggest gripe 
so far, and the pedal in particular.

I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the sponginess, and I 
don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a splash if 
I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so when 
choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real hi-hat 
pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?

If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a replacement?

Stewart

Hi Stewart,

It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their various hi 
hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 65, or 
80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires the 
same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my perspective, 
when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I eventually 
got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact that it 
only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully closed, and 
mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more than 
the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and if you 
decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time using the 
Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to produce its 
hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on the 
HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at least. 
The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, although 
Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join so that 
we can compare notes on it.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> 
> Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> 
> I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my biggest 
gripe 
> so far, and the pedal in particular.
> 
> I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the sponginess, and 
I 
> don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a splash if 
> I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so when 
> choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real hi-hat 
> pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> 
> If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
replacement?
> 
> Stewart

After some research I too believe the HH80 is essential for the 
dtxpress, the hi-hat can be way better.  It will be a definate 
addition to my kit.

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Stewart,
> 
> It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their various 
hi 
> hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 65, or 
> 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires the 
> same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
perspective, 
> when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I eventually 
> got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact that 
it 
> only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully closed, 
and 
> mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more than 
> the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and if 
you 
> decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time using 
the 
> Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to produce 
its 
> hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on the 
> HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at least. 
> The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, although 
> Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join so 
that 
> we can compare notes on it.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > 
> > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my biggest 
> gripe 
> > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > 
> > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the sponginess, 
and 
> I 
> > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a splash 
if 
> > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so when 
> > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real hi-
hat 

> > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > 
> > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> replacement?
> > 
> > Stewart

Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, Stewart, it 
may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.

[turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman Spiff 
underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]

I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I really, 
really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm using 
certainly has to go.

Stewart

--- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> Hi Stewart,
> 
> It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their various 
hi 
> hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 65, or 
> 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires the 
> same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
perspective, 
> when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I eventually 
> got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact that 
it 
> only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully closed, 
and 
> mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more than 
> the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and if 
you 
> decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time using 
the 
> Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to produce 
its 
> hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on the 
> HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at least. 
> The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, although 
> Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join so 
that 
> we can compare notes on it.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > 
> > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my biggest 
> gripe 
> > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > 
> > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the sponginess, 
and 
> I 
> > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a splash 
if 
> > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so when 
> > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real hi-
hat 

> > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > 
> > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> replacement?
> > 
> > Stewart

I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's the 
only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
Stephen


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, Stewart, it 
> may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.
> 
> [turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman Spiff 
> underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]
> 
> I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I really, 
> really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm using 
> certainly has to go.
> 
> Stewart
> 
> --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > Hi Stewart,
> > 
> > It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their various 
> hi 
> > hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 65, 
or 
> > 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires the 
> > same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> > enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
> perspective, 
> > when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I 
eventually 
> > got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact that 
> it 
> > only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully closed, 
> and 
> > mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more than 
> > the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and if 
> you 
> > decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> > especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> > compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time using 
> the 
> > Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> > advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to produce 
> its 
> > hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on 
the 

> > HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> > ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at least. 
> > The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, although 
> > Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join so 
> that 
> > we can compare notes on it.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > > 
> > > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my biggest 
> > gripe 
> > > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > > 
> > > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the sponginess, 
> and 
> > I 
> > > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a splash 
> if 
> > > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so when 
> > > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real hi-
> hat 
> > > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > > 
> > > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> > replacement?
> > > 
> > > Stewart

--- brown8700 wrote:
> I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's the 
> only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
> module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
> Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.

Ah. A pattern emerges. Perseverance required on my part, I think. It 
is perhaps because I haven't had "instant gratification" yet with my 
efforts at (a) tweaking module and pedal and (b) reminding my left 
leg of what it used to be capable all those moons ago.

Stewart

Stewart,

Notwithstanding Stephen and me, your disaffection with the HH65 may 
not be "you" at all. Though I'm not completely set in my ways, I 
predominantly like to play my hi hat closed, with strategic quick 
shhhhs here and there. HH65's limitation to a midpoint and fully 
open position didn't phase me all that much. But some people 
complain about restricted motion even in the fully variable 
controllers; they're more demanding about it than I am. That said, 
every piece of electronic drumming equipment seems to need a 
physical and emotional break-in period; with few exceptions, they 
just don't behave exacly like their acoustic counterparts. In a way, 
that fact is what eventually sets most of us on that endless course 
of upgrading and refining. Although my gut feeling is that you can 
adjust the 65 controller via its own physical knob and the module's 
internal settings to achieve relative harmony with your instincts, 
in the end, you may still have the feeling that the 65 can be 
bettered. In my experience, definite improvement is in the offing, 
but the controller alone wasn't what made me look for it.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's 
the 
> only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
> module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
> Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
> Stephen
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, Stewart, 
it 
> > may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.
> > 
> > [turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman Spiff 
> > underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]
> > 
> > I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I 
really, 
> > really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm 
using 
> > certainly has to go.
> > 
> > Stewart
> > 
> > --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > > Hi Stewart,
> > > 
> > > It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their 
various 
> > hi 
> > > hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 
65, 
> or 
> > > 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires 
the 
> > > same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> > > enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
> > perspective, 
> > > when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I 
> eventually 
> > > got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact 
that 
> > it 
> > > only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully 
closed, 
> > and 
> > > mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more 
than 
> > > the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and 
if 
> > you 
> > > decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> > > especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> > > compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time 
using 
> > the 
> > > Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> > > advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to 
produce 
> > its 
> > > hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on 
> the 
> > > HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> > > ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at 
least. 
> > > The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, 
although 
> > > Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join 
so 
> > that 
> > > we can compare notes on it.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > > <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > > > 
> > > > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my 
biggest 
> > > gripe 
> > > > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the 
sponginess, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a 
splash 
> > if 
> > > > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so 
when 
> > > > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real 
hi-

> > hat 
> > > > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > > > 
> > > > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> > > replacement?
> > > > 
> > > > Stewart

One thing that I am doing is to use a PCY65S for the hihat pad, which with
pad and rim triggers and layering, I can acheive more than the three basic
sounds (open-mid-closed). My second hihat pad is setup in reverse (i.e.
pedal up= closed hihat; pedal down = open hihat), so that I can double bass
and hit either a constant beat on a open hat or a closed hat without
touching a hihat pedal. I am still getting use to the difference between the
acoustic version and the electronic version and have come to accept that
they may never be the same (well maybe in ten years or so they might acheive
a breakthrough, but....). 

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:27 AM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Is it me?
> 
> --- brown8700 wrote:
> > I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's the 
> > only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
> > module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
> > Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> > Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
> 
> Ah. A pattern emerges. Perseverance required on my part, I think. It 
> is perhaps because I haven't had "instant gratification" yet with my 
> efforts at (a) tweaking module and pedal and (b) reminding my left 
> leg of what it used to be capable all those moons ago.
> 
> Stewart
> 
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Do you know if the HH80A works with the DTXPRESSII? Or does the
fully-variable feature only work on say the DTXtreme modules?
Just Curious, I thought about getting one for my third hihat pedal, instead
of the HH65.

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:55 AM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Is it me?
> 
> Stewart,
> 
> Notwithstanding Stephen and me, your disaffection with the HH65 may 
> not be "you" at all. Though I'm not completely set in my ways, I 
> predominantly like to play my hi hat closed, with strategic quick 
> shhhhs here and there. HH65's limitation to a midpoint and fully 
> open position didn't phase me all that much. But some people 
> complain about restricted motion even in the fully variable 
> controllers; they're more demanding about it than I am. That said, 
> every piece of electronic drumming equipment seems to need a 
> physical and emotional break-in period; with few exceptions, they 
> just don't behave exacly like their acoustic counterparts. In a way, 
> that fact is what eventually sets most of us on that endless course 
> of upgrading and refining. Although my gut feeling is that you can 
> adjust the 65 controller via its own physical knob and the module's 
> internal settings to achieve relative harmony with your instincts, 
> in the end, you may still have the feeling that the 65 can be 
> bettered. In my experience, definite improvement is in the offing, 
> but the controller alone wasn't what made me look for it.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> > I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's 
> the 
> > only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
> > module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
> > Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> > Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
> > Stephen
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> <moosetication@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, Stewart, 
> it 
> > > may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.
> > > 
> > > [turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman Spiff 
> > > underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]
> > > 
> > > I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I 
> really, 
> > > really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm 
> using 
> > > certainly has to go.
> > > 
> > > Stewart
> > > 
> > > --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > > > Hi Stewart,
> > > > 
> > > > It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their 
> various 
> > > hi 
> > > > hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 
> 65, 
> > or 
> > > > 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires 
> the 
> > > > same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> > > > enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
> > > perspective, 
> > > > when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I 
> > eventually 
> > > > got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact 
> that 
> > > it 
> > > > only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully 
> closed, 
> > > and 
> > > > mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more 
> than 
> > > > the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and 
> if 
> > > you 
> > > > decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> > > > especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> > > > compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time 
> using 
> > > the 
> > > > Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> > > > advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to 
> produce 
> > > its 
> > > > hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on 
> > the 
> > > > HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> > > > ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at 
> least. 
> > > > The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, 
> although 
> > > > Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join 
> so 
> > > that 
> > > > we can compare notes on it.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > > > <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my 
> biggest 
> > > > gripe 
> > > > > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the 
> sponginess, 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a 
> splash 
> > > if 
> > > > > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so 
> when 
> > > > > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real 
> hi-
> > > hat 
> > > > > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> > > > replacement?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stewart
> 
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Yeah, it works great with the DTXpress modules. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> Do you know if the HH80A works with the DTXPRESSII? Or does the
> fully-variable feature only work on say the DTXtreme modules?
> Just Curious, I thought about getting one for my third hihat 
pedal, instead
> of the HH65.
> 
> OldGuyDrummer
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@y...]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:55 AM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Is it me?
> > 
> > Stewart,
> > 
> > Notwithstanding Stephen and me, your disaffection with the HH65 
may 
> > not be "you" at all. Though I'm not completely set in my ways, I 
> > predominantly like to play my hi hat closed, with strategic 
quick 
> > shhhhs here and there. HH65's limitation to a midpoint and fully 
> > open position didn't phase me all that much. But some people 
> > complain about restricted motion even in the fully variable 
> > controllers; they're more demanding about it than I am. That 
said, 
> > every piece of electronic drumming equipment seems to need a 
> > physical and emotional break-in period; with few exceptions, 
they 
> > just don't behave exacly like their acoustic counterparts. In a 
way, 
> > that fact is what eventually sets most of us on that endless 
course 
> > of upgrading and refining. Although my gut feeling is that you 
can 
> > adjust the 65 controller via its own physical knob and the 
module's 
> > internal settings to achieve relative harmony with your 
instincts, 
> > in the end, you may still have the feeling that the 65 can be 
> > bettered. In my experience, definite improvement is in the 
offing, 
> > but the controller alone wasn't what made me look for it.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> 
wrote:
> > > I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, 
it's 
> > the 
> > > only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than 
the 
> > > module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the 
Pintech 
> > > Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> > > Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
> > > Stephen
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > <moosetication@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, 
Stewart, 
> > it 
> > > > may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.
> > > > 
> > > > [turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman 
Spiff 
> > > > underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I 
> > really, 
> > > > really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm 
> > using 
> > > > certainly has to go.
> > > > 
> > > > Stewart
> > > > 
> > > > --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > > > > Hi Stewart,
> > > > > 
> > > > > It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their 
> > various 
> > > > hi 
> > > > > hats. I assume that most of the board members use the 
HH60, 
> > 65, 
> > > or 
> > > > > 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller 
requires 
> > the 
> > > > > same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module 
might be 
> > > > > enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
> > > > perspective, 
> > > > > when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I 
> > > eventually 
> > > > > got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The 
fact 
> > that 
> > > > it 
> > > > > only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully 
> > closed, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me 
more 
> > than 
> > > > > the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, 
and 
> > if 
> > > > you 
> > > > > decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options 
were, 
> > > > > especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be 
perfectly 
> > > > > compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time 
> > using 
> > > > the 
> > > > > Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain 
triggering 
> > > > > advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to 
> > produce 
> > > > its 
> > > > > hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. 
Based on 
> > > the 
> > > > > HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an 
ungenious 
> > > > > ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at 
> > least. 
> > > > > The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, 
> > although 
> > > > > Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us 
join 
> > so 
> > > > that 
> > > > > we can compare notes on it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > > > > <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my 
> > biggest 
> > > > > gripe 
> > > > > > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the 
> > sponginess, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a 
> > splash 
> > > > if 
> > > > > > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so 
> > when 
> > > > > > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of 
real 
> > hi-
> > > > hat 
> > > > > > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> > > > > replacement?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stewart
> > 
> > 
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Stephen, have you used Yamaha's upgraded Hi-hat pedal and didn't 
feel a need to change or are you speaking from contentment?

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> I have no 'real' problems with the Yamaha hi-hat. In fact, it's 
the 
> only thing on my DTX that I haven't switched out (other than the 
> module itself). I am, however, awaiting the release of the Pintech 
> Zenbal hi-hat. I'd like to switch the Yam TP60 pad out for the 
> Pintech, but keep the Yam pedal.
> Stephen
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm. I suspect you may (diplomatically) be saying "yes, Stewart, 
it 
> > may be you." Which is fine. Absolutely fine. No, really.
> > 
> > [turns green, bursts out of shirt ... realises Spaceman Spiff 
> > underpants don't really suit the Hulk image, hides in closet]
> > 
> > I agree with your position on the other end of the pedal. I 
really, 
> > really wish I had the space for the Visulite. The TP80S I'm 
using 
> > certainly has to go.
> > 
> > Stewart
> > 
> > --- "liberatusvirus" wrote:
> > > Hi Stewart,
> > > 
> > > It would be edifying to get people's impressions of their 
various 
> > hi 
> > > hats. I assume that most of the board members use the HH60, 
65, 
> or 
> > > 80 controllers; the fact that the Pintech controller requires 
the 
> > > same adaptor that the Rolands do with a Yamaha module might be 
> > > enough to dissuade potential interest in them. From my 
> > perspective, 
> > > when I had the 60, I wasn't all that unhappy with it. I 
> eventually 
> > > got the foot splashes and throw to behave decently. The fact 
that 
> > it 
> > > only had three recognizable positions--fully open, fully 
closed, 
> > and 
> > > mid-point--was only slightly annoying. What bothered me more 
than 
> > > the controller situation was what you were forced to hit, and 
if 
> > you 
> > > decided to switch, how limited the satisfactory options were, 
> > > especially since the Hart e-hats didn't appear to be perfectly 
> > > compatible with the Yamaha modules. I spent a lot of time 
using 
> > the 
> > > Drum Tech Pole Pad as my hi hat, which had certain triggering 
> > > advantages, but, in the end, Visu-lite's willingness to 
produce 
> > its 
> > > hi hat assembly for Yamaha modules solved my problem. Based on 
> the 
> > > HH80, and mounted on a traditional stand, it has an ungenious 
> > > ability to simulate acoustic action and response, to me at 
least. 
> > > The only other Yamaha user who has it thus far is Walt, 
although 
> > > Jade is saving pennies as we speak. I hope others of us join 
so 
> > that 
> > > we can compare notes on it.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
> > > <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Or is the HH65 really... well, not that good?
> > > > 
> > > > I think, a month or so in, the hi-hat (overall) is my 
biggest 
> > > gripe 
> > > > so far, and the pedal in particular.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't like the range of travel, I don't like the 
sponginess, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > don't like the irritating propensity for it to produce a 
splash 
> > if 
> > > > I'm even slightly imprecise about stamping on it just so 
when 
> > > > choking an open hat stroke. Or is my muscle memory of real 
hi-

> > hat 
> > > > pedals suffering from Alzheimer's?
> > > > 
> > > > If it's not just me, what would the panel recommend as a 
> > > replacement?
> > > > 
> > > > Stewart

Un.H.
I've not tried ANY OTHER HH pedal. I'm content with the basic pedal. 
But, like Ed, most of the stuff I play is pretty much closed hat with 
an occassional slosh here and there. Understanding that most of 
today's music uses a lot of wide open, sloshy hats, I can see your 
desire for a more realistic feel and sound.
Stephen