Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

As a newbie on the DTXP III two questions:
- Somebody told me that using a so called Y-plug gives the possibility
to run two pads (mono) on one trigger input with different sounds. How
do you have to do the settings for that? I assume that the trigger
settings in any case are common to both sounds, right?
- I never really understood how the switches in the
two-zone/three-zone pads work in comparison to the trigger. I´m still
struggling with the snare pad and the cross-stick sound triggering as
it only gives the cross-stick sounds when hit hard. I´d like it to
react much more sensitive.  

Anybody there to help out?

Regards        -Bongo-

Bongo,

The Y adapter needed takes the tip/sleeve(mono) and ring/sleeve(mono) and
combines to a tip/ring/sleeve(stereo) jack that plugs into the module. The
only inputs on the module that you can use this with is inputs 9/10. You
will need to setup trigger for input 9 to the type of pad that is plugged
into it and setup trigger for input 10 to the type of pad that is plugged
into it. Then setup of the voices for each of the trigger inputs 9/10.

To see if the threezone pad is working properly, then try setting the voices
to something completely different. Set the pad as a snare voice, rim1 as a
cymbal voice and rim2 as a woodblock, and set the volume for each at 127.
Then strike each surface by itself, and let us know the results, and we can
go from there.

OGD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	bongokonzelmann [SMTP:carsten@...]
> Sent:	Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:08 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] DTXP III: switches, Y-plug
> 
> As a newbie on the DTXP III two questions:
> - Somebody told me that using a so called Y-plug gives the possibility
> to run two pads (mono) on one trigger input with different sounds. How
> do you have to do the settings for that? I assume that the trigger
> settings in any case are common to both sounds, right?
> - I never really understood how the switches in the
> two-zone/three-zone pads work in comparison to the trigger. I�m still
> struggling with the snare pad and the cross-stick sound triggering as
> it only gives the cross-stick sounds when hit hard. I�d like it to
> react much more sensitive.   
> 
> Anybody there to help out?
> 
> Regards         -Bongo-
> 
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Thanks a lot OGD. I am getting clearer now.

I also browsed the old messages in this board (2000 ... 5000 etc.) and
also had a look at the photos posted (Inside the DTXP ...). That was
helpful to better understand the differences between piezos / triggers
and switches, FSRs, stereo and mono, single-zone/dual-zone - all that
stuff. Where I am still struggling is the concept of the switches
which are build into the multi-zone pads like the snare. As they are
no FSRs how exactly do they work?
- You can assign different voices
- You can assign different trigger settings
So what´s the difference to a "normal" trigger?

Regards     -Bongo-













--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> Bongo,
> 
> The Y adapter needed takes the tip/sleeve(mono) and
ring/sleeve(mono) and
> combines to a tip/ring/sleeve(stereo) jack that plugs into the
module. The
> only inputs on the module that you can use this with is inputs 9/10. You
> will need to setup trigger for input 9 to the type of pad that is
plugged
> into it and setup trigger for input 10 to the type of pad that is
plugged
> into it. Then setup of the voices for each of the trigger inputs 9/10.
> 
> To see if the threezone pad is working properly, then try setting
the voices
> to something completely different. Set the pad as a snare voice,
rim1 as a
> cymbal voice and rim2 as a woodblock, and set the volume for each at
127.
> Then strike each surface by itself, and let us know the results, and
we can
> go from there.
> 
> OGD
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	bongokonzelmann [SMTP:carsten@h...]
> > Sent:	Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:08 PM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	[DTXpress] DTXP III: switches, Y-plug
> > 
> > As a newbie on the DTXP III two questions:
> > - Somebody told me that using a so called Y-plug gives the possibility
> > to run two pads (mono) on one trigger input with different sounds. How
> > do you have to do the settings for that? I assume that the trigger
> > settings in any case are common to both sounds, right?
> > - I never really understood how the switches in the
> > two-zone/three-zone pads work in comparison to the trigger.
I´m still
> > struggling with the snare pad and the cross-stick sound triggering as
> > it only gives the cross-stick sounds when hit hard. I´d like
it to
> > react much more sensitive.   
> > 
> > Anybody there to help out?
> > 
> > Regards         -Bongo-
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Community email addresses:
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> > Alternate DTXpress site:
> >    <http://www.dtxpressions.com> 
> > 
> > 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> Where I am still struggling is the concept of the switches
> which are build into the multi-zone pads like the snare. As they are
> no FSRs how exactly do they work?
> - You can assign different voices
> - You can assign different trigger settings
> So what´s the difference to a "normal" trigger?

Bongo,

The switches are FSRs, but they have no voices assigned to them per 
se. They serve only to switch the voices that a pad's piezo can 
access. When you hit an area of the pad where a switch is located, 
the piezo feels the pulse at exactly the same time, and reacts to 
request the sound programmed to the switch instead of the one 
programmed to the head, if a drum, or the bow, if a cymbal. You'll 
notice that you cannot assign trigger settings to switches; only the 
piezo has trigger settings. A "normal" pad, one with a piezo and no 
switch, can sound only one voice no matter where you hit it. Some 
pads use two piezos rather than a piezo and a switch to produce two 
voices, but they need two dedicated inputs. The advantage of the 
switch types (commonly called "stereo") is that they can be made to 
do their work through a single input (input 9/10 on the DTXP, which 
accepts two piezos, is really two inputs on a single jack). We won't 
go into the disadvantages of switch types here. One difference 
between switch types and genuine dual-zone pads is that the former 
cannot be split with a Y cable into two inputs of any kind on a 
Yamaha module.

To further complicate matters, FSRs can also be used the way piezos 
are, as direct voice triggers. Kat pioneered them as such. The 
benefit of FSRs in this respect is they are not susceptible to 
crosstalk; however, they are not as durable or as cheap as piezos. 
Hence, piezos have become the industry standard.

Ed

Thanks again Ed.

Coming back to the initial problem there seems no way to influence the
sensitivity of the rim switch, i.e. the moment the rim switch
dominates over the trigger. In my case the cross-stick sound on the
3-zone-snare only gets heard when hitting the rim quite hard. Soft
hits would activate the "normal" pad head / piezo sound. Am I right
that there´s no such setting that allows to adjust that point.

Regards     -Bongo-

P.S.: Recently there were a number of posts with regards to purchasing
at Thomann in Germany. I live in Germany as well and indeed there´s
nothing negative to report about them. However browsing through the
German eBay auctions there´s another Power-Seller at a slightly lower
price (939 Euros). Does anybody - at least in Europe - does have some
experience with this webshop?
See the link to one of their latest auctions: 
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46611&item=3708063046




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
> wrote:
> > Where I am still struggling is the concept of the switches
> > which are build into the multi-zone pads like the snare. As they are
> > no FSRs how exactly do they work?
> > - You can assign different voices
> > - You can assign different trigger settings
> > So what´s the difference to a "normal" trigger?
> 
> Bongo,
> 
> The switches are FSRs, but they have no voices assigned to them per 
> se. They serve only to switch the voices that a pad's piezo can 
> access. When you hit an area of the pad where a switch is located, 
> the piezo feels the pulse at exactly the same time, and reacts to 
> request the sound programmed to the switch instead of the one 
> programmed to the head, if a drum, or the bow, if a cymbal. You'll 
> notice that you cannot assign trigger settings to switches; only the 
> piezo has trigger settings. A "normal" pad, one with a piezo and no 
> switch, can sound only one voice no matter where you hit it. Some 
> pads use two piezos rather than a piezo and a switch to produce two 
> voices, but they need two dedicated inputs. The advantage of the 
> switch types (commonly called "stereo") is that they can be made to 
> do their work through a single input (input 9/10 on the DTXP, which 
> accepts two piezos, is really two inputs on a single jack). We won't 
> go into the disadvantages of switch types here. One difference 
> between switch types and genuine dual-zone pads is that the former 
> cannot be split with a Y cable into two inputs of any kind on a 
> Yamaha module.
> 
> To further complicate matters, FSRs can also be used the way piezos 
> are, as direct voice triggers. Kat pioneered them as such. The 
> benefit of FSRs in this respect is they are not susceptible to 
> crosstalk; however, they are not as durable or as cheap as piezos. 
> Hence, piezos have become the industry standard.
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
P.S.: Recently there were a number of posts with regards to purchasing
> at Thomann in Germany. I live in Germany as well and indeed 
there´s
> nothing negative to report about them. However browsing through the
> German eBay auctions there´s another Power-Seller at a 
slightly lower
> price (939 Euros). Does anybody - at least in Europe - does have 
some
> experience with this webshop?
> See the link to one of their latest auctions: 
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=46611&item=3708063046
> 
Hello Bongo!

The type in eBay is trustworthy.

A German company brings in the next days a DTXpress III with Meshhead 
drums.
The equipment we the following its:

3 x 10" Tom
1 x 12" Snare Drum (dual trigger)
1 x 12" Kick/Bass
1 x bass machine
1 x Snare stand

remaining equipment such as DTXPressIII

Price: 1699.- Euro

Greeting
gogo

Hi Gogo,

where do you live and how did you gain experience with Thomann?

What´s the German company issuing the mesh head version of the DTXPIII?

Regards     -Bongo- 




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gogodrums" <gogodrums@w...> wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
> P.S.: Recently there were a number of posts with regards to purchasing
> > at Thomann in Germany. I live in Germany as well and indeed 
> there´s
> > nothing negative to report about them. However browsing through the
> > German eBay auctions there´s another Power-Seller at a 
> slightly lower
> > price (939 Euros). Does anybody - at least in Europe - does have 
> some
> > experience with this webshop?
> > See the link to one of their latest auctions: 
> > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&category=46611&item=3708063046
> > 
> Hello Bongo!
> 
> The type in eBay is trustworthy.
> 
> A German company brings in the next days a DTXpress III with Meshhead 
> drums.
> The equipment we the following its:
> 
> 3 x 10" Tom
> 1 x 12" Snare Drum (dual trigger)
> 1 x 12" Kick/Bass
> 1 x bass machine
> 1 x Snare stand
> 
> remaining equipment such as DTXPressIII
> 
> Price: 1699.- Euro
> 
> Greeting
> gogo

Hello bongo,

I come from Germany.

The company with the Meshhaeds is miGe Drums - Germany
(www.mige.de)

Many greetings
Gogo


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> Hi Gogo,
> 
> where do you live and how did you gain experience with Thomann?
> 
> What´s the German company issuing the mesh head version of the 
DTXPIII?
> 
> Regards     -Bongo- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "gogodrums" <gogodrums@w...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
> > P.S.: Recently there were a number of posts with regards to 
purchasing
> > > at Thomann in Germany. I live in Germany as well and indeed 
> > there´s
> > > nothing negative to report about them. However browsing through 
the
> > > German eBay auctions there´s another Power-Seller at a 
> > slightly lower
> > > price (939 Euros). Does anybody - at least in Europe - does 
have 
> > some
> > > experience with this webshop?
> > > See the link to one of their latest auctions: 
> > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&category=46611&item=3708063046
> > > 
> > Hello Bongo!
> > 
> > The type in eBay is trustworthy.
> > 
> > A German company brings in the next days a DTXpress III with 
Meshhead 

> > drums.
> > The equipment we the following its:
> > 
> > 3 x 10" Tom
> > 1 x 12" Snare Drum (dual trigger)
> > 1 x 12" Kick/Bass
> > 1 x bass machine
> > 1 x Snare stand
> > 
> > remaining equipment such as DTXPressIII
> > 
> > Price: 1699.- Euro
> > 
> > Greeting
> > gogo

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> Thanks again Ed.
> 
> Coming back to the initial problem there seems no way to influence 
the
> sensitivity of the rim switch, i.e. the moment the rim switch
> dominates over the trigger. In my case the cross-stick sound on the
> 3-zone-snare only gets heard when hitting the rim quite hard. Soft
> hits would activate the "normal" pad head / piezo sound. Am I right
> that there´s no such setting that allows to adjust that point.

Bongo,

No dedicated setting for making the rim switch more responsive, but 
I'm not sure that the problem  is in the design per se. Have you 
tried another stereo cable? Nine times out of ten, poor response can 
be attributed to a damaged cable. Just to be thorough about the 
possibilities, have you tried that pad in another input?  In the 
unlikely event that you've definitely located the pad as the problem, 
you may have a bad ribbon on the rim. It happens from time to time, 
but rarely on a new pad. 

Ed