Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Ed, 
I posted a question to you on DTXtreme, but sometimes they are very 
slow to show up. I asked if you had heard of the wear 
and "crumbling" of the pad material of the KP65. Stewart forwarned 
me to apply a patch to slow the degradation, and assured me it was a 
known problem. I'm certaunly going to take his advice. Have you ever 
had a discussion with your sources at Yamaha about this , or its 
possible solution?
Thanks
Dan

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Cheak" <cheak@i...> wrote:
> Ed, 
> I posted a question to you on DTXtreme, but sometimes they are very 
> slow to show up. I asked if you had heard of the wear 
> and "crumbling" of the pad material of the KP65. Stewart forwarned 
> me to apply a patch to slow the degradation, and assured me it was 
a 
> known problem. I'm certaunly going to take his advice. Have you 
ever 
> had a discussion with your sources at Yamaha about this , or its 
> possible solution?

Dan,

Stewart is right on the money. Some people have reported that the 
rubber surface on their KP65s begin to show signs of wear within a 
few months. Although a little dent or soft spot wouldn't necessarily 
make any difference in what you hear, and serious disintegration 
isn't inevitable, some simple precautions at this point will secure 
the pad, and help protect the foam behind it, for a good long while. 
OGD uses a bicycle-tire repair patch, and Stephanie recommends a 
standard drum beater patch. But, like Stewart says, anything that 
feels okay will do the trick. It's also a good idea to switch the 
position of your beater slightly left/right and up/down every once in 
a while. DIY strategies will not negate your warranty. Yamaha knows 
that the pad is hardly indestructible, but the problem isn't severe 
enough to interrupt production. If you ever need it, the Yamaha 
replacement part is p/n8587900, but I wouldn't worry. Relatively few 
people have had a total collapse. 

Ed

Hi Ed,

although this is an old message I would like to pick it up again as
indeed I am now sitting with a total dmagae of my KP65 kick tower. The
rubber pad is worn but more severe is the fact that the foam behind is
dented and the piezo double triggers. The first signal is fired when
the beater hits the pad and the second (lower in volume) when the
beater swings back. Very strange (although I now can impress people
with some kind of magic double bass playing ...).

Interesting was also that my dealer refused to replace the pad (1 year
old with a 2 years warranty) saying that Yamaha Netherlands does not
see a possibility to repair or exchange. I therefore asked Yamaha
Germany to help me out and they were reacting immediately. The pad now
is on its way.

Does anybody have found a solution to cover/protect the rubber pad at
least?

Best regards     -Bongo-



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Cheak" <cheak@i...> wrote:
> > Ed, 
> > I posted a question to you on DTXtreme, but sometimes they are very 
> > slow to show up. I asked if you had heard of the wear 
> > and "crumbling" of the pad material of the KP65. Stewart forwarned 
> > me to apply a patch to slow the degradation, and assured me it was 
> a 
> > known problem. I'm certaunly going to take his advice. Have you 
> ever 
> > had a discussion with your sources at Yamaha about this , or its 
> > possible solution?
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Stewart is right on the money. Some people have reported that the 
> rubber surface on their KP65s begin to show signs of wear within a 
> few months. Although a little dent or soft spot wouldn't necessarily 
> make any difference in what you hear, and serious disintegration 
> isn't inevitable, some simple precautions at this point will secure 
> the pad, and help protect the foam behind it, for a good long while. 
> OGD uses a bicycle-tire repair patch, and Stephanie recommends a 
> standard drum beater patch. But, like Stewart says, anything that 
> feels okay will do the trick. It's also a good idea to switch the 
> position of your beater slightly left/right and up/down every once in 
> a while. DIY strategies will not negate your warranty. Yamaha knows 
> that the pad is hardly indestructible, but the problem isn't severe 
> enough to interrupt production. If you ever need it, the Yamaha 
> replacement part is p/n8587900, but I wouldn't worry. Relatively few 
> people have had a total collapse. 
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> although this is an old message I would like to pick it up again as
> indeed I am now sitting with a total dmagae of my KP65 kick tower. 
The
> rubber pad is worn but more severe is the fact that the foam behind 
is
> dented and the piezo double triggers. The first signal is fired when
> the beater hits the pad and the second (lower in volume) when the
> beater swings back. Very strange (although I now can impress people
> with some kind of magic double bass playing ...).
> 
> Interesting was also that my dealer refused to replace the pad (1 
year
> old with a 2 years warranty) saying that Yamaha Netherlands does not
> see a possibility to repair or exchange. I therefore asked Yamaha
> Germany to help me out and they were reacting immediately. The pad 
now
> is on its way.
> 
> Does anybody have found a solution to cover/protect the rubber pad 
at
> least?

Hi Bongo,

At least a year ago, we had that issue crop up. OGD noticed that the 
kick was subject to wear in just the ways that you mention. You might 
buy yourself an acoustic kick drum patch, from any number of 
companies, to place over the pad. You could also use a bicycle tire 
patch (OGD's suggestion) or even a mouse pad cut to size, none of 
which will void your warranty. Those devices will protect the pad and 
foam from deteriorating too quickly (though the foam will eventually 
recede, anyway, as those of us who used the early mesh pads were to 
find out). Another strategy that can help is to change the strike 
point of your beater a little bit every once in a while so that you 
don't simply batter one spot all of the time. Hold onto your old pad, 
or at least some of its guts; it might come in handy someday. Let's 
see if other people have suggestions, too.

Ed

I could see the signs of wear on my kickpad within a week of its
arrival at Casa Creighton. I bought a commercially available patch-
looks like Kevlar- and used its self-stick feature to attach it. This
remained attached for minutes.
I then got out the trusty calk gun and loaded it with some clear
silicone sealer and glued the bloody thing in place with a clamp to
hold it while it dried. This repair has lasted for months now with no
sign of it falling off. The unit seems to play as well as it did
before.


On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:36:34 -0000, emf <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "bongokonzelmann" <carsten@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > although this is an old message I would like to pick it up again as
> > indeed I am now sitting with a total dmagae of my KP65 kick tower.
> The
> > rubber pad is worn but more severe is the fact that the foam behind
> is
> > dented and the piezo double triggers. The first signal is fired when
> > the beater hits the pad and the second (lower in volume) when the
> > beater swings back. Very strange (although I now can impress people
> > with some kind of magic double bass playing ...).
> >
> > Interesting was also that my dealer refused to replace the pad (1
> year
> > old with a 2 years warranty) saying that Yamaha Netherlands does not
> > see a possibility to repair or exchange. I therefore asked Yamaha
> > Germany to help me out and they were reacting immediately. The pad
> now
> > is on its way.
> >
> > Does anybody have found a solution to cover/protect the rubber pad
> at
> > least?
> 
> Hi Bongo,
> 
> At least a year ago, we had that issue crop up. OGD noticed that the
> kick was subject to wear in just the ways that you mention. You might
> buy yourself an acoustic kick drum patch, from any number of
> companies, to place over the pad. You could also use a bicycle tire
> patch (OGD's suggestion) or even a mouse pad cut to size, none of
> which will void your warranty. Those devices will protect the pad and
> foam from deteriorating too quickly (though the foam will eventually
> recede, anyway, as those of us who used the early mesh pads were to
> find out). Another strategy that can help is to change the strike
> point of your beater a little bit every once in a while so that you
> don't simply batter one spot all of the time. Hold onto your old pad,
> or at least some of its guts; it might come in handy someday. Let's
> see if other people have suggestions, too.
> 
> Ed
> 
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