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Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-12 by Keith

Hi all,

I notice a few posts about problems with compatibility between other
pads and the DTXpress box & vice versa.  Does anyone have any detailed
technical information about why this is?  As you may know I have
designed the "magic box" and the first pre-production ones are now
being made, but I could possibly incorporate something in the box
which allows, for example, Roland cycmbals to work better with the
DTXpress or Yamaha pads to work with a Roland.  I did consider buying
a Roland pad to find this out, but have you seen the price of Roland
bits?!!!

Keith.

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-12 by William Sutherland

Keith,

if it's any help I've been trying out my Dtxpress Mk1 pads with the 
Roland TD20 and they seem to work perfectly.

regards,
William




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I notice a few posts about problems with compatibility between 
other
> pads and the DTXpress box & vice versa.  Does anyone have any 
detailed
> technical information about why this is?  As you may know I have
> designed the "magic box" and the first pre-production ones are now
> being made, but I could possibly incorporate something in the box
> which allows, for example, Roland cycmbals to work better with the
> DTXpress or Yamaha pads to work with a Roland.  I did consider 
buying
> a Roland pad to find this out, but have you seen the price of 
Roland
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> bits?!!!
> 
> Keith.

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-12 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "William Sutherland" <ws@l...> wrote:
William,

Thanks, I guess it is the other way round that is the problem then.

Keith.
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> Keith,
> 
> if it's any help I've been trying out my Dtxpress Mk1 pads with the 
> Roland TD20 and they seem to work perfectly.
> 
> regards,
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I notice a few posts about problems with compatibility between 
> other
> > pads and the DTXpress box & vice versa.  Does anyone have any 
> detailed
> > technical information about why this is?  As you may know I have
> > designed the "magic box" and the first pre-production ones are now
> > being made, but I could possibly incorporate something in the box
> > which allows, for example, Roland cycmbals to work better with the
> > DTXpress or Yamaha pads to work with a Roland.  I did consider 
> buying
> > a Roland pad to find this out, but have you seen the price of 
> Roland
> > bits?!!!
> > 
> > Keith.

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-13 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I notice a few posts about problems with compatibility between other
> pads and the DTXpress box & vice versa.  Does anyone have any 
detailed
> technical information about why this is?  As you may know I have
> designed the "magic box" and the first pre-production ones are now
> being made, but I could possibly incorporate something in the box
> which allows, for example, Roland cycmbals to work better with the
> DTXpress or Yamaha pads to work with a Roland.  I did consider 
buying
> a Roland pad to find this out, but have you seen the price of Roland
> bits?!!!

Keith,

I don't have any measurements to back this up, but I believe that the 
DTXPU3's crude sensitivity parameters are not always able to create 
an adequate dynamic range with other company's pads. Sometimes a 
piezo is buried too deeply into the guts of a pad for the Yamaha to 
retrieve an adequate signal (as was the case with certain Harts), and 
sometimes the piezo produces too hot a signal for a light touch (as 
with the Pintech meshes). As I've said before, if you can design a 
sensitivity adjustment into the magic box that can fine-tune the 
DTXPU's sensitivity, then you've probably covered the bases. Most 
other modules are more accommodating. It will be interesting to see 
how the first ones behave.

Also, it remains to be seen whether the magic box has as much value 
with mesh kits as with rubber kits. Mesh owners are more likely to 
have upscale options for increasing inputs, and they are more apt to 
require better triggering than a switch input would offer. But the 
magic box might still come in handy with stereo inputs that would 
otherwise go to waste for those who mainly use mono or dual-piezo 
pads and cymbals.

Ed

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-13 by moosetication

--- Ed wrote:
> ... sometimes the piezo produces too hot a signal for
> a light touch (as with the Pintech meshes).

And Pintech rubber pads - my SE102 has this problem. I would be more 
than happy to test the magic box sensitivity adjustment with this 
particular combination.

Stewart

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-13 by Keith

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...>
wrote:
> --- Ed wrote:
> > ... sometimes the piezo produces too hot a signal for
> > a light touch (as with the Pintech meshes).
> 
> And Pintech rubber pads - my SE102 has this problem. I would be more 
> than happy to test the magic box sensitivity adjustment with this 
> particular combination.
> 
> Stewart

Stewart,

I will have to try to put something into it, but without actually
having a Pintech pad it will be a stab in the dark.  I have not
actually put anything into the design for variable gain at the moment,
mainly because I don't know what is actually needed.  I would like to
put an oscilloscope on various pads to see what the signals are like.
 It is quite interesting how the signals from the Yamaha cymbals, kick
and toms are all quite different.  It sounds like attenuation, not
gain, is needed, which is easy enough.  I will probably bodge an
adjustment onto one channel for you to try.  I should have the PCBs in
around 10 days time.  What is the SE102? I cannot find it on Pintech's
site.  Is it one of the components of the "Studio Elite" set?

Keith.

Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-13 by moosetication

--- Keith wrote:
> ... without actually having a Pintech pad it will
> be a stab in the dark.

Want to borrow it? I can swap in my original TP65S for a while if it 
would be of help to you.

> What is the SE102? I cannot find it on Pintech's
> site.  Is it one of the components of the "Studio
> Elite" set?

Used to be supplied as cymbal pads on the older Studio Elite sets. 
You don't seem them much any more, but it maybe useful to give you 
an idea of the kind of signals you might see.

Drop me an email if you're interested, with your address details, 
and I'll see what I can do.

Stewart

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Roland pads/cymbals on Yamaha DTXpress

2004-05-13 by Charles Baer

Keith wrote:

>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...>
>wrote:
>  
>
> ...snip...
>
>  I would like to
>put an oscilloscope on various pads to see what the signals are like.
>  
>
I'm planning on firing up my Tek when the replacement RHH130 arrives
to compare the control signal output.  No reason to not take a look at the
pad waveforms at the same time.

Charlie

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