Digital BW, The Print

To everyone,

>I did not mean to cause such a jerk reaction. I do not have any differences 
with >Mike personally. I do not even know who he is other than by reading his 
postings. I >took his remark personally about my communicating something that 
was factual as >"not quite true". I asked him for an apology, but I should 
not have characterized him >as an outright lie. He just didn't know the 
facts. I wish I had presented the facts by >themselves.

Well, then, be accountable for what you say on this list. Your comments and 
actions DO affect others.Think before you type.
I think you DO have differences with Mike, and like most adults, you're not 
able to put them  in perspective nor deal with them in a healthy way. 

>I want instead to apologize to the community for reacting the way I did.

You should apologize to the group AND Mike. What you stirred up with your 
petty arguments is unbelievable. Apologizing is the RIGHT thing to do. Then 
move on.

>I think that it this type of activity that keeps a list dominated by a few 
and prevents the other 1400 subscribers from writing.

How, exactly is anyone keeping you or anyone else from contibuting. I've 
never contibuted, until now, but I've never felt like I couldn't. I submit, 
YOU are keeping YOU from contibuting because you are intimidated by people 
like Mike, who has a lot of experience and knowledge to pass along to the 
rest of us. I haven't contributed anything to this list until now. Just been 
soaking up wise words. Your idiotic and childish little reaction to something 
said here on the list is what prompted me to write. I'm doing it for selfish 
reasons, by the way. I want people like Mike to stay so I can LEARN. You need 
to toughen up and grow up a bit. 

>Lists are always breeding points for dissatisfaction.

Maybe that's true for you. Not me. Speak for yourself. If that is really true 
for you, maybe you should move on to a different list. 

>However, these forces often close down those with good things to say and are 
in opposition to the force. 

Who or what are these mysterious forces you speak of ?  Maybe demons of your 
own making? This list or any list is alive because there is a free flow of 
ideas. Once again, no one is keeping you from contibuting. No one but you. 
Your problems here, are of your own making. The qusetion is, will you be wise 
enough to see that?

>But they are supposed to try and keep order if they want a truly open forum 
and encourage diverse opinions especially from new posters. Otherwise a new 
list will start up under the premise of being open and supercede the previous.

AGAIN, being a victim and giving away your power. Unbelievable. How about YOU 
helping keep order by not taking shots anyone on this list from now on? If 
you can't, maybe you can start your own list and be all by yourself. Then you 
can really tell everyone (yourself) how things should be.

>I do not think that any of us should point fingers and blame. But we can all 
>recognize that everyone in this medium is met with success or failure or 
struggles >in between. This is the same for all products in all industry. 
Ford can not always >finish First On Race Day, sometimes its Fix or Repair 
Daily.

I don't know what the hell this means except the 1st line. You ask us not to 
do what you, yourself did! Amazing. 

>"IF YOU DON"T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY, DON"T SAY ANYTHING AT >ALLLLLLLL"

Well, isn't that nice. You take shots at Mike in a childish and idiotic 
manner, then send this. Beautiful. Do you know what hypocrisy means? Practise 
what you preach.

Good luck with your new list. We'll be doing fine right here, debating things 
in a healthy, adult way and having fun. Which is the main thing you know. Or 
did you forget?

David


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