Digital BW, The Print

Oops, I meant "both glossy and matte papers"... 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink" 
<steveabrink@...> wrote:
>
> > If you want better B/W I think you should be looking at 3rd party 
> B/W
> > specific inks ala Piezography or MIS. Which aren't really 
available
> > for the 3800 yet, but may be in a few months.
> 
> If someones comes up with an all carbon inkset and profiles for the 
> 3800 supporting both glossy and b&W, and is superior to k3 with 
ABW, 
> I'd buy it in a heartbeat!!  And others would too...  Meanwhile, 
the 
> ABW K3 is pretty awesome esepcailly for gloss pares ... 
> SteveB
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dealy663" 
> <dealy663@> wrote:
> >
> > I just gave up on Epson Enhanced Matte when I moved up to the
> > Ultrachrome K3 printers. For me that ink/paper combo just didn't 
> work
> > very well. I never tried ImagePrint on the K3 printers, but even 
> with
> > my own custom profile of EEM on K3 it still just didn't work very 
> well.
> > 
> > I bought ImagePrint for the 2200 and returned it. I just couldn't
> > produce a superior print with that system than I could with my 
2200
> > and custom profiles. I don't agree at all that the 3800 produces
> > inferior prints to the 2200 in any way other than EEM. And I 
> seriously
> > doubt you'll get any response of consequence from Epson regarding 
> this
> > letter. Most people find the Epson supplied profiles for this 
> printer
> > to be pretty good. There are also a large number of people who 
have
> > been quite successful in making B/W prints with the ABW driver.
> > 
> > If you want better B/W I think you should be looking at 3rd party 
> B/W
> > specific inks ala Piezography or MIS. Which aren't really 
available
> > for the 3800 yet, but may be in a few months.
> > 
> > ---
> > Derek
> > 
> > blogging at: http://derekealy.com/WordPress
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm"
> > <monroekd@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been printing with my new Epson 3800 for about 1 month, 
> and I
> > > am a bit dismayed that the B&W prints I'm getting using the 
> intrinsic
> > > Epson driver (with or without third party profiles provided by 
> Eric
> > > Chan) are inferior to the B&W prints I get using ImagePrint 
with 
> my
> > > Epson 2200 printer. Admittedly, the prints are far superior to 
the
> > > intrinsic Epson driver for the 2200, but I would have thought 
that
> > > after 3-4 years of R&D, you guys would have figured out why 
> ImagePrint
> > > is so superior to your driver. Also I have found that the color
> > > profiles provided in the driver vary in their quality. You guys 
> are
> > > apparently aware of this situation, since you are offering the 
> Bill
> > > Atkinson 7600/9600 profiles on your website and state that "in 
> most
> > > cases, these custom ICC profiles will provide much better color 
> and
> > > black and white print quality than with the standard profiles 
> already
> > > shipping with every printer". I don't understand why it is so
> > > difficult for a company that is totally devoted to printing to 
> create
> > > the best possible canned profiles for their own printers and 
> papers.
> > > You would likely prevent numerous defectors to third party 
> papers, if
> > > you created the best possible profiles for your own papers. If 
one
> > > spends >$1000 for a printer, they should not then have to scour 
> the
> > > internet for profiles or third party drivers to get the best 
> possible
> > > prints. The Bill Atkinson profiles do not work well for the 
3800, 
> and
> > > thus the 3800 users are left out in the cold for accurate color
> > profiles.
> > > I have also found it confusing that you have discontinued Epson
> > > Enhanced matte and Archival Matte
> > > papers and yet these profiles are still in the driver software. 
> If the
> > > Ultrapremium presentation matte is the same as Ep Enhanced 
which I
> > > thought was the same as Archival matte, then why are there 
> separate
> > > profiles in the driver for Enhanced matte and Archival matte? 
The
> > > profile/paper combo for premium luster is superior to that for 
the
> > > Enhanced matte profile/ultrapremium presentation matte paper 
> combo,
> > > but both could be improved. 
> > > The enhanced matte profile in concert with Ultrapremium 
> presentation
> > > matte paper is particularly poor with muddy/blocked-up shadow 
> areas. 
> > > Perhaps you should pay Bill Atkinson to create some color 
> profiles for
> > > the 3800 or better yet, Epson should purchase Colorbyte.
> > > Thanks
> > > Kevin Monroe
> > >
> >
>