Digital BW, The Print

OK, after reading and reading and reading AND reading, I do have a question regarding carbon inks with the R2880. I know that there is not an inkset available at MIS for th 2880. But there are refillable carts available. So has anybody experimented with refillable carts for PK/MK, LK and LLK using MIS carbon inks and printing in ABW? The logic tells me this could work. What inks should I consider for this if it is possible?

Hello Rusty,

>OK, after reading and reading and reading AND reading, I do have a question regarding carbon inks with the R2880. I know that there is not an inkset available at MIS for th 2880. But there are refillable carts available. So has anybody experimented with refillable carts for PK/MK, LK and LLK using MIS carbon inks and printing in ABW? The logic tells me this could work. What inks should I consider for this if it is possible?

You can put any inks you want in the printer and drive it with QTR.  But the thing is, these printers are expensive.  It seems a waste of money to buy a $700 printer (or whatever they cost today) for that when a lower cost printer will work.  So there isn't much discussion on the subject.  


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Rusty,

If you already own the 2880 I would reserve it for OEM/Epson inks. You can still 
use the QTR rip with it but you still have the flexibility of printing color and 
B&W. Grab a cheaper 2nd printer from Craigslist like Clayton recommends. I know 
there are improvements in the inks, but you dont want to switch between MIS 
carbon & Ultrachrome on a recurring basis. Do it once, it may require flushing 
out the old UC-K3 inks but then just leave the carbon inks in. You will find 
yourself in a mess if you start switching between the different inks. Keep the 
2880 for a flexible printer and do all of the glossy prints on it and the carbon 
B&W on the 2nd printer. That 2nd printer doesnt have to be expensive and you can 
find some good printers on Craiglist for $100.00. I recently picked up a 2400 
for $250 and replaced my old 2200 printer. The 1400 is the dedicated B&W printer 
that handles matte only paper. I dont have to worrk about the mk-pk ink switch 
in the 2400. It is just a cleaner way to work and love.

Refilling cartiridges is all too easy. As with anything, take your time, observe 
what you are doing while you are doing it and never forget that one wrong move 
will create a very nasty mess. It is easy to clean up since the ink is water 
based, but you dont push the limits of the tools. 





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From: ClaytonJ <cj@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 8:11:31 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Carbon Inks with R2880

  


Hello Rusty,

>OK, after reading and reading and reading AND reading, I do have a question 
>regarding carbon inks with the R2880. I know that there is not an inkset 
>available at MIS for th 2880. But there are refillable carts available. So has 
>anybody experimented with refillable carts for PK/MK, LK and LLK using MIS 
>carbon inks and printing in ABW? The logic tells me this could work. What inks 
>should I consider for this if it is possible?

You can put any inks you want in the printer and drive it with QTR. But the 
thing is, these printers are expensive. It seems a waste of money to buy a $700 
printer (or whatever they cost today) for that when a lower cost printer will 
work. So there isn't much discussion on the subject. 


Regards,
Clayton

Info on black and white digital printing at 
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1 http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm





      

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"ClaytonJ" <cj@...> wrote:

> You can put any inks you want in the printer and drive it with QTR.

True.  The Epson driver also works with many inkset alternatives.  However, the MIS carbon is warmer than the Epson carbon( or whatever their blend is).  So, the ABW, assuming Epson balanced it well with their inks, may not produce as balanced results with third party 2880 inks.  So, for third party inks, using QTR for B&W may be a much better approach.

>  But the thing is, these printers are expensive. ...


That is why I've largely ignored the K3 printers.  They are the OEM solution and not bad at all.  If one wants to get rid of as much of the color inks as possible and still use ABW, the Y = MIS EZ Carbon was my modest contribution. I think QTR probably has a number of profiles ready to go for the k3 printers also.


If one has a K3 printer and wants only dedicated B&W, any number of approaches will work.  Eboni/Carbon-6 just drops into them and works.  The LK position is filled with Eb6-C, and the LLK is filled with Eb6-LM. The Epson driver with no special profile will print on the light side.  A simply PS curve or an ICC made with QTR's Create ICC-RGB is all that is needed for profiling, but that may remove this approach from what someone just starting to explore digital B&W should try.

For a popular platform like an Epson K3 printer and a paper that I think is good for Eboni/Carbon-6 (like the Epson Hot Press and Premier Art Smooth Hot Press 325 and Smooth BW 200) I'll make an ICC if someone mails me a 21-step test strip (with proper settings).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

OK. I'll leave well enough alone at this point. Guess I'll be doing most of my QTR printing on the R200 -- once I get some issue resolved.

I'll also look around for another wide format printer for B&W only printing with carbon inks.

Thanks everyone.

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