Digital BW, The Print

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
davidkachel
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Brown Tone Ink Set Needed
 
  
I am hoping someone can suggest a starting point as I am back to square one
(almost) after a year and a half.

I need quadtone inks (6 or 7 dilutions probably) that will be used in an
Epson SP 3800 w/QTR. I need to produce full brown tones, not subtle like
sepia but frank unmistakable browns. I know this presents archival problems.
They have to be secondary to image color. On the other hand I would prefer
the least problematic inks possible under the circumstances.

I am aware there is nothing like this at the moment but need a starting
point with currently available inks. I print only on matte rag papers.

I presume a good starting point would be MIS MK for the black and gray
dilutions but have no idea what colored pigments to use or how to approach
their use; whether to mix the color pigments with the black or put them in
separate cartridges for more control. The latter would seem more logical as
it would allow me to create different profiles for different papers.

I see there are ink sets that have color pigments for cooling naturally warm
black inks to a neutral tone so am wondering if simply using the same kind
of set up with opposite colors might be the place to start.

All ideas/suggestions are welcome. And yes, I know about ABW. That is not
what I am after.



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> How do you relate brown to the Sepia set of Cones Piezotones - Sepia. I call
> that a brown.

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
davidkachel
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:51 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Brown Tone Ink Set Needed
 
  
Eric,

For lack of more sophisticated terminology, I would call Cone's Sepia
"brown--ish". I am after something much less subtle. Think turn of the
century cabinet cards and then a little more brown than that... Hershey's
chocolate! And then, I want to be able to control it for use on different
papers rather than having to rely how the ink set chooses to behave from one
paper to another.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "E.Neilsen"
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> How do you relate brown to the Sepia set of Cones Piezotones - Sepia. I
call
> that a brown. 


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> OK, brownish works for me. that's why I thought perhaps using a darker blend
> and less of it might work in a higher position. What are you going to use to
> drive the ink set? QTR? Studio Print?  I do understand the part about not
> wanting to let the ink determine the color too. I believe that part might
> require a stronger tone from the ink set.  What about a solution like a
> custom profile using i1 or Data color and staying with color ink? Such a
> specific richness in color from a mono ink set is not common and a little
> hard to buy off the shelf.

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
davidkachel
Sent: 29 June 2011 03:25
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Brown Tone Ink Set Needed

  

QTR. I can get what I want visually from both HP and Epson OEM ink sets. But
it is not consistent and I know it can be done better and with smoother
tones with Quadtone inks.
I have used mostly the HP inks and they just decide to careen off the road
for no particular reason once in a while. I'll have a nice brown print with
a strip through it 2 points more toward green. Besides, better inks for less
money is a strong draw.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "E.Neilsen"
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> OK, brownish works for me. that's why I thought perhaps using a darker
blend
> and less of it might work in a higher position. What are you going to use
to
> drive the ink set? QTR? Studio Print? I do understand the part about not
> wanting to let the ink determine the color too. I believe that part might
> require a stronger tone from the ink set. What about a solution like a
> custom profile using i1 or Data color and staying with color ink? Such a
> specific richness in color from a mono ink set is not common and a little
> hard to buy off the shelf. 





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