Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by tom.maugham
Is anyone using the 1400 for only B&W printing?
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Epson 1400
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by mark sloane
Yes. I have two. One w/custom inks from a friend and one with Joe's Special Edition Selenium. I am very low tech, do not create any curves, and use 188gsm weight photorag, (Heavier paper caused me problems). If I clean then as per Dana's you tube video when required they run great. Mark Sloane 925 820 4112 Home
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From: tom.maugham <njtom06@...> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 Is anyone using the 1400 for only B&W printing? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by Tom Husband
Yes, I'm using EB6 ink along with QTR. I've just started using it but am very pleased with the results. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, tom.maugham <njtom06@...> wrote: > Is anyone using the 1400 for only B&W printing? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by edward wiseman
Tom.. The 1400 is NOT the best choice for B&W if you are using the std Claria inks..I would suggest using 3rd party inks such as those by MIS and buying bulk ink and refilling the cartridges..That's why I have two 1400's..One set up for color, and one for B&W pigments. Eddie
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From: tom.maugham
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
Is anyone using the 1400 for only B&W printing?
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2011-09-17 by tom.maugham
Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" <pahts@...> wrote:
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> > Tom.. > > The 1400 is NOT the best choice for B&W if you are using the std Claria inks..I would suggest using 3rd party inks such as those by MIS and buying bulk ink and refilling the cartridges..That's why I have two 1400's..One set up for color, and one for B&W pigments. > > Eddie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tom.maugham > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 9:40 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 > > > > Is anyone using the 1400 for only B&W printing? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by edward wiseman
I can only speak for the MIS "Inksupply.com" brand..No problems whatsoever by re-filling with their B&W pigment inks in their empty carts..I use the "UT14" workflow designed by Paul Roark in 2008.Very nice results!..This workflow allows you to go from semi-cool to warm.. HTTP://www.inksupply.com You will find various workflows for this printer on this site, and for me, the UT14 is the simplest..Check it out.. Let me know If I cam be of more help..Or someone else may jump-in and offer you their advice.. Good Luck Tom! Eddie
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400?
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2011-09-17 by Tom Husband
I've had the EB6 inks in my 1400 for a couple of months now and not one clog. Perfect nozzle checks every time. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:40 PM, tom.maugham <njtom06@...> wrote: > Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400? > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edward wiseman" > <pahts@...> wrote: > > > > Tom.. > > > > The 1400 is NOT the best choice for B&W if you are using the std Claria > inks..I would suggest using 3rd party inks such as those by MIS and buying > bulk ink and refilling the cartridges..That's why I have two 1400's..One set > up for color, and one for B&W pigments. > > > > Eddie > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by David Nasater
I use Cone's Piezography inks without clogs or other issues. David
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tom.maugham Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:40 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-17 by tom.maugham
Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Nasater" <dnasater@...> wrote:
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> > I use Cone's Piezography inks without clogs or other issues. > > > > David > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > tom.maugham > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:40 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 > > > > > > Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-18 by tboleyyh
the technology of contemporary pigments has evolved rapidly, also, not sure the Claria inks could be described exactly in the same way as the older dye inks in terms of particles. End result, that problem seems to be history with contemporary Epsons and good contemporary pigments. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tom.maugham" <Thomas@...> wrote:
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> > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Nasater" <dnasater@> wrote: > > > > I use Cone's Piezography inks without clogs or other issues. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > tom.maugham > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:40 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the pigment inks work okay in the 1400? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-18 by Paul
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tom.maugham" <Thomas@...> wrote: > > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. An analogy I've heard is that pigments through an inkjet nozzle are like bee-bees through a basketball hoop. There did appear to be a higher incidence of problems with pigments in the old 1280, but all of the newer ones have been fine, with the 1400 being the most reliable printer I've used with pigments. Paul Www.paulroark.com
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-18 by John
Damn, I am tempted to buy a 1400 as a dedicated B&W printer, and keep my 2200 for color. They are $210 at macmall.com ! If only I had the space ... John
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> There did appear to be a higher incidence of problems with pigments in the old 1280, but all of the newer ones have been fine, with the 1400 being the most reliable printer I've used with pigments. > > Paul > Www.paulroark.com >
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-19 by Tony Sleep
On 17/09/2011 tom.maugham wrote: > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of > dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. > After the first few months I had interminable clog problems with 1160 & 1290, using Piezo BW and Generations G4 respectively. This was due to clogging of the microfilters which are internal to the heads (just below the spigots that penetrate the cartridges) and not designed to cope with pigment. Their job is to prevent any particulates reaching the nozzles that might cause blockages. Of course dyes shouldn't have any, but pigments /are/ fine particulates and much more likely to block the filters over time and restrict ink supply. I suspect I made matter worse by intermittent use, which probably allowed the pigments to settle. The 1290 (with G4) was worst, it killed 2 heads in 18m. It was not the nozzles that blocked, but ink starvation during printing would mean that the first half of the first print would be fine, and then degrade rapidly with no consistency to which nozzles appeared "blocked". Attempting to clean them only resulted in more nozzles becoming starved of ink. If I left it alone for a day or two, enough ink would pass the filters to print another half page... I tried backflushing the filters several times, but that never really worked. I scrapped both printers, plus CIS, plus inks, after they became unusable. The alternative, 90GBP a time for a DIY-fitted new head every few months, was not something I could put up with; it was just a very expensive mistake. I'd be quite wary now of using pigments in printers designed for dyes. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
RE: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-19 by Tom Maugham
Thanks Tony. I've heard similar stories from other who have used pig inks in a dye printer but have also heard stories of good results with pig inks in dye printers. Could it be due to the particular inks or frequency of use or ??? But I think that for my money I will use dye ink in dye printers and get a pig printer for pig inks. Tom
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sleep Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:22 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 On 17/09/2011 tom.maugham wrote: > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of > dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. > After the first few months I had interminable clog problems with 1160 & 1290, using Piezo BW and Generations G4 respectively. This was due to clogging of the microfilters which are internal to the heads (just below the spigots that penetrate the cartridges) and not designed to cope with pigment. Their job is to prevent any particulates reaching the nozzles that might cause blockages. Of course dyes shouldn't have any, but pigments /are/ fine particulates and much more likely to block the filters over time and restrict ink supply. I suspect I made matter worse by intermittent use, which probably allowed the pigments to settle. The 1290 (with G4) was worst, it killed 2 heads in 18m. It was not the nozzles that blocked, but ink starvation during printing would mean that the first half of the first print would be fine, and then degrade rapidly with no consistency to which nozzles appeared "blocked". Attempting to clean them only resulted in more nozzles becoming starved of ink. If I left it alone for a day or two, enough ink would pass the filters to print another half page... I tried backflushing the filters several times, but that never really worked. I scrapped both printers, plus CIS, plus inks, after they became unusable. The alternative, 90GBP a time for a DIY-fitted new head every few months, was not something I could put up with; it was just a very expensive mistake. I'd be quite wary now of using pigments in printers designed for dyes. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-19 by David Whistance
Tony, With all due respect I think you are several ink generations out of date with both the printers you mention and the inks. The gap between "pigments" and "dyes" has narrowed considerably so that many of the more recent pigments share some of the features of dyes and vice versa. As a result later "dye" printers seem to be much happier using pigments. I have intermittently used the Cone K7 inks in a number of "dye" printers for several years with little or no clogging. The earlier inks did clog however. David Whistance
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sleep Sent: 19 September 2011 01:22 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 On 17/09/2011 tom.maugham wrote: > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of > dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. > After the first few months I had interminable clog problems with 1160 & 1290, using Piezo BW and Generations G4 respectively. This was due to clogging of the microfilters which are internal to the heads (just below the spigots that penetrate the cartridges) and not designed to cope with pigment. Their job is to prevent any particulates reaching the nozzles that might cause blockages. Of course dyes shouldn't have any, but pigments /are/ fine particulates and much more likely to block the filters over time and restrict ink supply. I suspect I made matter worse by intermittent use, which probably allowed the pigments to settle. The 1290 (with G4) was worst, it killed 2 heads in 18m. It was not the nozzles that blocked, but ink starvation during printing would mean that the first half of the first print would be fine, and then degrade rapidly with no consistency to which nozzles appeared "blocked". Attempting to clean them only resulted in more nozzles becoming starved of ink. If I left it alone for a day or two, enough ink would pass the filters to print another half page... I tried backflushing the filters several times, but that never really worked. I scrapped both printers, plus CIS, plus inks, after they became unusable. The alternative, 90GBP a time for a DIY-fitted new head every few months, was not something I could put up with; it was just a very expensive mistake. I'd be quite wary now of using pigments in printers designed for dyes. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-19 by piezobw
In regards to ink generations, all of the Cone inks are now encapsulated which puts a very thin layer of acrylic co-polymer around each and every pigment particle. This eliminates the static charge between pigment particles and prevents clumping. This is a treatment to the pigment that takes place prior to formulation. That's how we eliminated clogging in the dye and pigment printers. This generation of ink came out in 2005 and is called either Piezography K7/K6 or ConeColor. Initially we encapsulated in polyester, but due to patent issues with HP we switched to a proprietary process. HP and Epson both use encapsulation with their pigment. I developed Piezography Special Edition inks especially for the Epson 1400 and then ported it to the complete line of printers I support. But, I also offer Carbon K6, or Selenium K6, or Warm Neutral K6, or Neutral K6 system for the 1400. They all include complete media curves which are folded into Roy Harrington's excellent QTR system. The 1400 is a little workhorse. I use it for printing as well as development work. It never strains with pigment. It's Achilles' heel is it's paper feed mechanism. But, with patience you can learn to hand feed thicker papers. K6 on the tiny 3 picoliter 1400 prints with as much fidelity as a K7 system on a X800 or X880 printer. Regards, Jon Cone Piezography http://www.piezography.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance" <david.whistance@...> wrote:
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> > Tony, > > > > With all due respect I think you are several ink generations out of date > with both the printers you mention and the inks. The gap between "pigments" > and "dyes" has narrowed considerably so that many of the more recent > pigments share some of the features of dyes and vice versa. As a result > later "dye" printers seem to be much happier using pigments. I have > intermittently used the Cone K7 inks in a number of "dye" printers for > several years with little or no clogging. The earlier inks did clog > however. > > > > David Whistance > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony > Sleep > Sent: 19 September 2011 01:22 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400 > > > > > > On 17/09/2011 tom.maugham wrote: > > Hmmm, and for years I've been told that the holes in the printhead of > > dye printers are too small for pigment inks and will clog more. > > > > After the first few months I had interminable clog problems with 1160 & > 1290, using Piezo BW and Generations G4 respectively. This was due to > clogging of the microfilters which are internal to the heads (just below > the spigots that penetrate the cartridges) and not designed to cope with > pigment. Their job is to prevent any particulates reaching the nozzles > that might cause blockages. Of course dyes shouldn't have any, but > pigments /are/ fine particulates and much more likely to block the filters > over time and restrict ink supply. I suspect I made matter worse by > intermittent use, which probably allowed the pigments to settle. > > The 1290 (with G4) was worst, it killed 2 heads in 18m. It was not the > nozzles that blocked, but ink starvation during printing would mean that > the first half of the first print would be fine, and then degrade rapidly > with no consistency to which nozzles appeared "blocked". Attempting to > clean them only resulted in more nozzles becoming starved of ink. If I > left it alone for a day or two, enough ink would pass the filters to print > another half page... > > I tried backflushing the filters several times, but that never really > worked. I scrapped both printers, plus CIS, plus inks, after they became > unusable. The alternative, 90GBP a time for a DIY-fitted new head every > few months, was not something I could put up with; it was just a very > expensive mistake. > > I'd be quite wary now of using pigments in printers designed for dyes. > > -- > Regards > > Tony Sleep > http://tonysleep.co.uk > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1400
2011-09-19 by Paul
With respect to paper handling, one odd characteristic of my 1400 is that I cannot pre-load a sheet of paper. It just shoots the paper straight through the printer. I'm not sure if this is true of all 1400's or just mine. Note also that, like the 1800, the 1400 is a 1.5 pl printer. Additionally, with respect to pigments, my understanding is that virtually all modern inkjet pigments use electrostatic charges on them to keep the particles from flocculating (clumping/agglomerating). Even matte pigments are "coated" with the chemicals needed to accomplish this. I experimented (unsuccessfully) with adding steric dispersion; HP may be unique in successfully combining the 2 methods with its z3100 pigment coating. Paul Www.paulroark.com
Re: Epson 1400
2011-09-20 by piezobw
You need to just barely lift the paper's edge above where it rests so it does not catch the lip on either side of the grabbers. Then hold it as if it's almost resting, but it's not. the angle that you hold it by is not as important as the amount of distance from the plastic base it would normally be resting on before being grabbed. Then it's a matter of timing to release your light hold. After that it's a lot like keeping a batting average. You should give yourself cudos when you can feed a 300gsm, and celebrate like crazy if ever you can feed Museum Etching 350gsm. too many print heads to keep specs on, thanks! :) "Chemical coating" means different things depending on the capability of the formulator. Epson perfected and patented an encapsulation process that is worth the read because it offers one of the best public understandings of modern inkjet ink formulation that is available today. HP has it "going on" for sure. They're the Apple of Inkjet, yet they seem like such a Microsoft. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> > With respect to paper handling, one odd characteristic of my 1400 is that I cannot pre-load a sheet of paper. It just shoots the paper straight through the printer. I'm not sure if this is true of all 1400's or just mine. > > Note also that, like the 1800, the 1400 is a 1.5 pl printer. > > Additionally, with respect to pigments, my understanding is that virtually all modern inkjet pigments use electrostatic charges on them to keep the particles from flocculating (clumping/agglomerating). Even matte pigments are "coated" with the chemicals needed to accomplish this. I experimented (unsuccessfully) with adding steric dispersion; HP may be unique in successfully combining the 2 methods with its z3100 pigment coating. > > Paul > Www.paulroark.com >
Epson 1400
2012-06-10 by Bill Lewis
I would suggest that you try asking on this forum there are many very knowledgeable members always willing to assist. EPSON_Printers@yahoogroups.com One is Art a member that Epson sends people to for help on tough printer problems. Bill Lewis