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2011-09-28 by Lew Schwartz
Since I've migrated from a traditional darkroom, I've been digitally printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber glossy. This stuff looks great, but the paper base is so much whiter & brighter than the traditional stuff I'd been using that it makes my Crescent White Glove mats look a little dingy. White Glove is among the whitest Crescent makes .... so can anyone suggest a whiter mat? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-09-28 by Andrew Darlow
Hi Lew: If you plan to frame most of your prints and if only you will see them with mats, you might want to do a quick test under glass or acrylic and look at them under daylight and tungsten (maybe even fluorescent). The difference may disappear due to the inherent UV filters in the glass. If you plan to sell them matted only, I understand why you would want them to more closely match without any glass or acrylic. All the best, Andrew Andrew Darlow Editor, The Imaging Buffet http://www.imagingbuffet.com Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques: An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://www.inkjettips.com and Pet Photography 101: Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://www.PhotoPetTips.com http://facebook.com/andrewdarlow On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote: > Since I've migrated from a traditional darkroom, I've been digitally > printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber glossy. This stuff looks great, but the > paper base is so much whiter & brighter than the traditional stuff I'd been > using that it makes my Crescent White Glove mats look a little dingy. White > Glove is among the whitest Crescent makes .... so can anyone suggest a > whiter mat? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-09-28 by Lew Schwartz
I've based this judgement on how they look framed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-09-28 by tboleyyh
my experience is that there are no fine art matte boards with anywhere near the optical brighteners in many of the inkjet papers, so the mismatch is unavoidable. Frankly, I'd pick a paper that is less blue, using less brighteners. The mismatch can be acceptable sometimes with a matte that overlaps the image a touch, in other words a non floating image. This way you don't see the paper white right against the matte color. To me though, the highlights still look blue with those papers. I hate to suggest you change papers, but there are many good performers with a more neutral paper base if you chose to do so. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote:
> > I've based this judgement on how they look framed. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-09-28 by Lew Schwartz
Yes, this my first try ( & normal practice anyway), ie if I stay away from letting the image float, the whites are harnessed for the exclusive use & effect of my highlights which is very cool imo. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM, tboleyyh <tyler@...> wrote: > ** > > > my experience is that there are no fine art matte boards with anywhere near > the optical brighteners in many of the inkjet papers, so the mismatch is > unavoidable. Frankly, I'd pick a paper that is less blue, using less > brighteners. The mismatch can be acceptable sometimes with a matte that > overlaps the image a touch, in other words a non floating image. This way > you don't see the paper white right against the matte color. To me though, > the highlights still look blue with those papers. > I hate to suggest you change papers, but there are many good performers > with a more neutral paper base if you chose to do so. > Tyler > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew Schwartz > <lew1716@...> wrote: > > > > I've based this judgement on how they look framed. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-09-28 by Ernst Dinkla
On 09/28/2011 02:47 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote: > Since I've migrated from a traditional darkroom, I've been digitally > printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber glossy. This stuff looks great, but the > paper base is so much whiter& brighter than the traditional stuff I'd been > using that it makes my Crescent White Glove mats look a little dingy. White > Glove is among the whitest Crescent makes .... so can anyone suggest a > whiter mat? Sooner than later the EEF will be warm, shifting from a 1.5 to -1.3, b -5 to +4. In prints made on it with Canon Lucia pigments or Epson K3 it is the paper white that shifts extremely. The white reflectance stays at the same level with L 96.0. A matt paper that matches the EEF halfway its degradation could be a solution but I think that EEF is not signature worthy in the first place. See www.Aardenburg-Imaging.com -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst New: Spectral plots of +250 inkjet papers: http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2011-10-03 by salmo80829
> > Glove is among the whitest Crescent makes .... so can anyone suggest a > > whiter mat? Crescent makes a bright white rag #1613 named "Very White". It works real good w/eboni - b/o prints or any grayscale artwork. I've been framing my b&w work for years with it and everyone likes it. (It does not look good with sepia or any color in the print though).
2011-10-11 by Paul
Is there a resource (URL or otherwise) that indicates whether the board is brightened with OBAs. Full Lab data would also be very nice. Maybe I will take my UV flashlight to the local frame shop. Does iPone or droid have a spectro app yet? Paul Www.paulroark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "salmo80829" <salmo80829@...> wrote:
> > > > > Glove is among the whitest Crescent makes .... so can anyone suggest a > > > whiter mat? > > > Crescent makes a bright white rag #1613 named "Very White". It works real good w/eboni - b/o prints or any grayscale artwork. I've been framing my b&w work for years with it and everyone likes it. (It does not look good with sepia or any color in the print though). >
2011-10-11 by Mark Savoia
Make one. That would be cool. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Paul wrote: > Does iPone or droid have a spectro app yet? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-10-12 by salmo80829
Paul, I will send you a sample piece in the mail if you email me a mailing address, and you can test it firsthand if you like. I should add, that this is the 'whitest' mat I could find, but the rag is the only version this 'very white' color comes in, in the Crescent line. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> > > Is there a resource (URL or otherwise) that indicates whether the board is brightened with OBAs. Full Lab data would also be very nice. > > Maybe I will take my UV flashlight to the local frame shop. > > Does iPone or droid have a spectro app yet? > > Paul > Www.paulroark.com >
2011-10-13 by Ernst Dinkla
On 10/11/2011 11:43 PM, Paul wrote: > > Is there a resource (URL or otherwise) that indicates whether the board is brightened with OBAs. Full Lab data would also be very nice. > > Maybe I will take my UV flashlight to the local frame shop. > > Does iPone or droid have a spectro app yet? > > Paul > Www.paulroark.com I could extend the inkjet paper measurements I have with measurements of matt boards. But I have only access to boards sold in Europe like Moorman's range. Anyway, if a board has to match fresh EEF in brightness it will have OBAs. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2011-10-13 by Sylvain M.
Hi all, Still bo be confirmed but I might have the opportunity to get a used R1800 for a few bucks. Would it be worth to replace my current 1400 (installed with Eb1400 kit)? The R1800 is a "1.5pl" as well as the 1400, but with 8 cartridges instead of 6... But is it enough to change? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-10-13 by robert49brake
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sylvain M." <sylvain@...> wrote: > Still bo be confirmed but I might have the opportunity to > get a used R1800 for a few bucks. Would it be worth to replace my > current 1400 (installed with Eb1400 kit)? > > The R1800 is a "1.5pl" as > well as the 1400, but with 8 cartridges instead of 6... But is it enough > to change? The 1800s can be fantastic printers and they can also be real pain in the necks with clogging problems. They also seem to be very uneven from one unit to the next. (I've had three of them). If you wanted one to play with, (8 channels can give you a lot of options), I'd say go for it, but as a replacement for the 1400 (which came after the 1800 and where Epson seems to have worked most of the bugs out of the 1.5 pl printers) I think you could be very disappointed.
2011-10-14 by Sylvain M.
Thank you for your feedback. I will keep my 1400. Have a nice day. S On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:35:34 -0000, robert49brake wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [1], "Sylvain M." wrote: > >> Still bo be confirmed but I might have the opportunity to get a used R1800 for a few bucks. Would it be worth to replace my current 1400 (installed with Eb1400 kit)? The R1800 is a "1.5pl" as well as the 1400, but with 8 cartridges instead of 6... But is it enough to change? > The 1800s can be fantastic printers and they can also be real pain in the necks with clogging problems. They also seem to be very uneven from one unit to the next. (I've had three of them). If you wanted one to play with, (8 channels can give you a lot of options), I'd say go for it, but as a replacement for the 1400 (which came after the 1800 and where Epson seems to have worked most of the bugs out of the 1.5 pl printers) I think you could be very disappointed. ------------------------------------ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint [2] If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ [3] BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ [4] Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join [5] (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com [6] DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [7] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [8] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [9] Links: ------ [1] mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join [6] mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com [7] mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [8] mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [9] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]