Digital BW, The Print

Hi all,
My days of printing BO are shrinking like crazy!

I bought a new 1430 from Epson, two weeks ago and an EB6 kit from MIS. I kept the original inks and installed the MIS inks.

Made some tests to see how I could print BO. I followed a lot of advices from the group and decided to order some Red River paper. In the meantime, I printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art for my tests. I was quite pleased with the results.

Receiving my new paper, I followed one member's procedure, print a head pattern first; though luck, two "colors" are blocked. Start a cleaning session, and still, clogged. After three passes, ink level was too low so I refilled all the cartridges always following carefully MIS "How-to".

Now I'm playing a toaster round with the printer; it's saying that this is not an original cartridge , so plug, unplug (went trough all of them!) and now, still a bit clogged, I see that it took a lot of ink and I will have to refill again!

Is it supposed to work like this? I can see now that MIS's chips are not up-to-par with Epson and these "auto-resetting" chips are not working very well.

From someone with a lot of darkened fingers! I would love to go with all the tests needed to be a proficient B&W printer but I'm a bit fed-up with this "ink system".
Sorry if it's a bit long.

Thanks

Eb6 dilute inks seldom clog as such.  It's usually air in the system.  See
if the gaps are always in the same place (probably clog) or change from
test to test (air/foam).  Doing too much "cleaning" will actually make
things worse.

One of the things that often works is to just let the system sit overnight.
 The foam should rise in the carts, with the ink going down to the outlet.

Of course, if the cart is defective and allowing air to get in around the
seal at the outlet.  Nothing may work.

I'm not a fan of auto-reset.  The chip information and actual ink level
seem to get out of sync. However, the 1400 carts I have from MIS have
worked fine.  They may, of course, have gone to a new supplier.

Needless to say, be sure the tap or plug that blocks the air inlets have
been removed.

Let me know how it goes.

Paul



On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, jcphoto52 <jacques.caron@....ca>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi all,
> My days of printing BO are shrinking like crazy!
>
> I bought a new 1430 from Epson, two weeks ago and an EB6 kit from MIS. I
> kept the original inks and installed the MIS inks.
>
> Made some tests to see how I could print BO. I followed a lot of advices
> from the group and decided to order some Red River paper. In the meantime,
> I printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art for my tests. I was quite pleased with
> the results.
>
> Receiving my new paper, I followed one member's procedure, print a head
> pattern first; though luck, two "colors" are blocked. Start a cleaning
> session, and still, clogged. After three passes, ink level was too low so I
> refilled all the cartridges always following carefully MIS "How-to".
>
> Now I'm playing a toaster round with the printer; it's saying that this is
> not an original cartridge , so plug, unplug (went trough all of them!) and
> now, still a bit clogged, I see that it took a lot of ink and I will have
> to refill again!
>
> Is it supposed to work like this? I can see now that MIS's chips are not
> up-to-par with Epson and these "auto-resetting" chips are not working very
> well.
>
> From someone with a lot of darkened fingers! I would love to go with all
> the tests needed to be a proficient B&W printer but I'm a bit fed-up with
> this "ink system".
> Sorry if it's a bit long.
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>


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Thanks Paul

 I checked the gaps and it seems that first I had a clog; then, after cleaning and refilling, air was the culprit. I think that I'll follow your advice and fill the cartridges and let them sit overnight.
Some users wrote that I should get a "chip resetter" anyways?!?

All the taps have been removed. Actually, now, I'm printing like usual, testing my new paper. But I'm afraid that I'll have to refill soon since the Epson Dialog Box is telling me that  "Ink is low". It's kind of messy here!

Thanks again

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Eb6 dilute inks seldom clog as such.  It's usually air in the system.  See
> if the gaps are always in the same place (probably clog) or change from
> test to test (air/foam).  Doing too much "cleaning" will actually make
> things worse.
> 
> One of the things that often works is to just let the system sit overnight.
>  The foam should rise in the carts, with the ink going down to the outlet.
> 
> Of course, if the cart is defective and allowing air to get in around the
> seal at the outlet.  Nothing may work.
> 
> I'm not a fan of auto-reset.  The chip information and actual ink level
> seem to get out of sync. However, the 1400 carts I have from MIS have
> worked fine.  They may, of course, have gone to a new supplier.
> 
> Needless to say, be sure the tap or plug that blocks the air inlets have
> been removed.
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, jcphoto52 <jacques.caron@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > My days of printing BO are shrinking like crazy!
> >
> > I bought a new 1430 from Epson, two weeks ago and an EB6 kit from MIS. I
> > kept the original inks and installed the MIS inks.
> >
> > Made some tests to see how I could print BO. I followed a lot of advices
> > from the group and decided to order some Red River paper. In the meantime,
> > I printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art for my tests. I was quite pleased with
> > the results.
> >
> > Receiving my new paper, I followed one member's procedure, print a head
> > pattern first; though luck, two "colors" are blocked. Start a cleaning
> > session, and still, clogged. After three passes, ink level was too low so I
> > refilled all the cartridges always following carefully MIS "How-to".
> >
> > Now I'm playing a toaster round with the printer; it's saying that this is
> > not an original cartridge , so plug, unplug (went trough all of them!) and
> > now, still a bit clogged, I see that it took a lot of ink and I will have
> > to refill again!
> >
> > Is it supposed to work like this? I can see now that MIS's chips are not
> > up-to-par with Epson and these "auto-resetting" chips are not working very
> > well.
> >
> > From someone with a lot of darkened fingers! I would love to go with all
> > the tests needed to be a proficient B&W printer but I'm a bit fed-up with
> > this "ink system".
> > Sorry if it's a bit long.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

What I do is check all the carts either before I start a major printing job
or when any ink appears to be low as reported by the Epson monitor.  Once a
pull on cart, the system will do a cleaning cycle.  So, I might as well
check all and top off as needed.

Paul

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM, jcphoto52 <jacques.caron@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks Paul
>
> I checked the gaps and it seems that first I had a clog; then, after
> cleaning and refilling, air was the culprit. I think that I'll follow your
> advice and fill the cartridges and let them sit overnight.
> Some users wrote that I should get a "chip resetter" anyways?!?
>
> All the taps have been removed. Actually, now, I'm printing like usual,
> testing my new paper. But I'm afraid that I'll have to refill soon since
> the Epson Dialog Box is telling me that "Ink is low". It's kind of messy
> here!
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > Eb6 dilute inks seldom clog as such. It's usually air in the system. See
> > if the gaps are always in the same place (probably clog) or change from
> > test to test (air/foam). Doing too much "cleaning" will actually make
> > things worse.
> >
> > One of the things that often works is to just let the system sit
> overnight.
> > The foam should rise in the carts, with the ink going down to the outlet.
> >
> > Of course, if the cart is defective and allowing air to get in around the
> > seal at the outlet. Nothing may work.
> >
> > I'm not a fan of auto-reset. The chip information and actual ink level
> > seem to get out of sync. However, the 1400 carts I have from MIS have
> > worked fine. They may, of course, have gone to a new supplier.
> >
> > Needless to say, be sure the tap or plug that blocks the air inlets have
> > been removed.
> >
> > Let me know how it goes.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, jcphoto52 wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > My days of printing BO are shrinking like crazy!
> > >
> > > I bought a new 1430 from Epson, two weeks ago and an EB6 kit from MIS.
> I
> > > kept the original inks and installed the MIS inks.
> > >
> > > Made some tests to see how I could print BO. I followed a lot of
> advices
> > > from the group and decided to order some Red River paper. In the
> meantime,
> > > I printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art for my tests. I was quite pleased
> with
> > > the results.
> > >
> > > Receiving my new paper, I followed one member's procedure, print a head
> > > pattern first; though luck, two "colors" are blocked. Start a cleaning
> > > session, and still, clogged. After three passes, ink level was too low
> so I
> > > refilled all the cartridges always following carefully MIS "How-to".
> > >
> > > Now I'm playing a toaster round with the printer; it's saying that
> this is
> > > not an original cartridge , so plug, unplug (went trough all of them!)
> and
> > > now, still a bit clogged, I see that it took a lot of ink and I will
> have
> > > to refill again!
> > >
> > > Is it supposed to work like this? I can see now that MIS's chips are
> not
> > > up-to-par with Epson and these "auto-resetting" chips are not working
> very
> > > well.
> > >
> > > From someone with a lot of darkened fingers! I would love to go with
> all
> > > the tests needed to be a proficient B&W printer but I'm a bit fed-up
> with
> > > this "ink system".
> > > Sorry if it's a bit long.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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That's what I though! But after refilling all the carts, I was discouraged to see the lights getting "on" for carts that Epson Utility did not recognized! I had to put and re-put carts, seeing the Epson printer do the initial star-up procedure only to find that another cart "lights-up" so I can't do a simple nozzle check!
Had to put the printer "off" then, using the two-buttons procedure, to print a nozzle check pattern... only to discover that there were one or two or three more cartridges not recognized by Epson. I finally got the printer to print...

Phew! Talk about a hard beginning!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> What I do is check all the carts either before I start a major printing job
> or when any ink appears to be low as reported by the Epson monitor.  Once a
> pull on cart, the system will do a cleaning cycle.  So, I might as well
> check all and top off as needed.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM, jcphoto52 <jacques.caron@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Thanks Paul
> >
> > I checked the gaps and it seems that first I had a clog; then, after
> > cleaning and refilling, air was the culprit. I think that I'll follow your
> > advice and fill the cartridges and let them sit overnight.
> > Some users wrote that I should get a "chip resetter" anyways?!?
> >
> > All the taps have been removed. Actually, now, I'm printing like usual,
> > testing my new paper. But I'm afraid that I'll have to refill soon since
> > the Epson Dialog Box is telling me that "Ink is low". It's kind of messy
> > here!
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> > >
> > > Eb6 dilute inks seldom clog as such. It's usually air in the system. See
> > > if the gaps are always in the same place (probably clog) or change from
> > > test to test (air/foam). Doing too much "cleaning" will actually make
> > > things worse.
> > >
> > > One of the things that often works is to just let the system sit
> > overnight.
> > > The foam should rise in the carts, with the ink going down to the outlet.
> > >
> > > Of course, if the cart is defective and allowing air to get in around the
> > > seal at the outlet. Nothing may work.
> > >
> > > I'm not a fan of auto-reset. The chip information and actual ink level
> > > seem to get out of sync. However, the 1400 carts I have from MIS have
> > > worked fine. They may, of course, have gone to a new supplier.
> > >
> > > Needless to say, be sure the tap or plug that blocks the air inlets have
> > > been removed.
> > >
> > > Let me know how it goes.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:03 AM, jcphoto52 wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > My days of printing BO are shrinking like crazy!
> > > >
> > > > I bought a new 1430 from Epson, two weeks ago and an EB6 kit from MIS.
> > I
> > > > kept the original inks and installed the MIS inks.
> > > >
> > > > Made some tests to see how I could print BO. I followed a lot of
> > advices
> > > > from the group and decided to order some Red River paper. In the
> > meantime,
> > > > I printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art for my tests. I was quite pleased
> > with
> > > > the results.
> > > >
> > > > Receiving my new paper, I followed one member's procedure, print a head
> > > > pattern first; though luck, two "colors" are blocked. Start a cleaning
> > > > session, and still, clogged. After three passes, ink level was too low
> > so I
> > > > refilled all the cartridges always following carefully MIS "How-to".
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm playing a toaster round with the printer; it's saying that
> > this is
> > > > not an original cartridge , so plug, unplug (went trough all of them!)
> > and
> > > > now, still a bit clogged, I see that it took a lot of ink and I will
> > have
> > > > to refill again!
> > > >
> > > > Is it supposed to work like this? I can see now that MIS's chips are
> > not
> > > > up-to-par with Epson and these "auto-resetting" chips are not working
> > very
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > From someone with a lot of darkened fingers! I would love to go with
> > all
> > > > the tests needed to be a proficient B&W printer but I'm a bit fed-up
> > with
> > > > this "ink system".
> > > > Sorry if it's a bit long.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am using MIS Auto Reset Carts in a 1430 (well, it's called a 1500w in the UK).  And as Paul says, they go out of sync with the Epson Level thingy.  Topping them all up at the same time seems to cause issues, as they are not recognised or do not recognise themselves as being full unless they were showing as empty or near empty.

Ideally, it may be an idea to have two sets of carts, with a full set always at hand and only replace each one when it is showing empty, or just refill the one with the indicator light on.  I have not had the printer stop midway through a print, with an empty cart, it always stops at the end of a print.  I think there is also a difference in the chip for the 1400 compared to the 1430 and if you have the wrong ones this causes more issues.

Ross

Thanks Ross
I'll try your method of just refilling the near empty one(s); actually, I don't think that MIS would sell old 1400 chips since the 1430 is out there for more than a year.

As having two sets of carts, maybe this is the "sensiest" solution; although the handling fees and postage are killing me, I'll have to order a second set.

Many thanks

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rossfmj" <ross.jarvis@...> wrote:

>
> I am using MIS Auto Reset Carts in a 1430 (well, it's called a 1500w in the UK).  And as Paul says, they go out of sync with the Epson Level thingy.  Topping them all up at the same time seems to cause issues, as they are not recognised or do not recognise themselves as being full unless they were showing as empty or near empty.
> 
> Ideally, it may be an idea to have two sets of carts, with a full set always at hand and only replace each one when it is showing empty, or just refill the one with the indicator light on.  I have not had the printer stop midway through a print, with an empty cart, it always stops at the end of a print.  I think there is also a difference in the chip for the 1400 compared to the 1430 and if you have the wrong ones this causes more issues.
> 
> Ross
>

I can certainly sympathize with your frustration. Refilling cartridges is half science and half magic. Sometimes the magic part is elusive. As Paul noted, these inks rarely clog, so look for air leaks and cartridge purging issues. 

After not seeing a band in months, recently I got banding issues after running two cartridges dry. Numerous head cleanings, bottom port purges and purge-page prints failed to stop the problem even though very head check is perfect. But, I've discovered that the problem does not show on prints not printed using high speed. Magical. 

Epson has upped the frustration factor with the 1430. Apparently they have added more intelligence to the unit's ability to read the cartridges and the practice of 'just top up and throw it back in', that worked very well with the 1400, is not sufficient with the 1430. Right now my 1430 is down because it thinks my black cartridge is low, which it is not. I've asked MIS for some support on that one. The 1430 has yet to make me happy. But it could be worse - it was when I had a Canon S9000!

Thanks

I'm just beginning to understand that the 1430 was not, maybe, the best buy I could make. But for the price, I thought the experience with MIS and BO printing would be a little bit less expensive... and fun!

I have a lot to learn but all the experiences are, at least, meaningful. As I can see, I'm not alone with MIS cartridges and Epson!

Following my thread (and others), thanks to you, Seth, Paul and Bill I'm learning like crazy; I'm still experimenting with too many factors and, working only with the Epson driver, I'm eager to see what the QTR program will do for me. It will be the next step, the minute I understand what I'm doing!

Right now, without any outside apparatus, I'm trying to go from screen to print with the most "WYSIWYG" as possible.
Thanks again

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "remononaz1" <homershannon@...> wrote:
>
> I can certainly sympathize with your frustration. Refilling cartridges is half science and half magic. Sometimes the magic part is elusive. As Paul noted, these inks rarely clog, so look for air leaks and cartridge purging issues.