Digital BW, The Print

After 2 years using an R1800 with 3 MK Eboni inks the printer has died and resisted all attepts to revive it.
What now ?
A replacement 1800 will be pretty old now. Perhaps an R1900 will be able to take over, and be the smoothest changeover. Is anyone currently using an 1900 with 3 MK ink ? Is it interchangeable as far as QTR is concerned ? Will it take my current (recharchable) cartridges ?
I know Paul thinks it will work, but he hasn't actually used one.
The alternative is , of course, the 1400/ or the latest model 1500W (is this the 1430 in US) The trouble is the import cost of the inks, unles I can formulate the medium to dilute my own. 
Sadly, not many use the MIS /Paul Rouke systems here in the UK.

If you have the bulk Eboni MK inks and can get carts for a 1500W, you can
set that printer up as a 3-MK printer just like the 1800.  I prefer the
smoother Eboni-6 look, but the 1400/1500W (assuming they are the same) uses
the same 1.5 picoliter drop size that the 1800 used.  I made some basic
1400 3-MK QTR profiles for this purpose.  You may need to linearize these
for different papers.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com



On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:16 AM, bobtail75 <cperfect594@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> After 2 years using an R1800 with 3 MK Eboni inks the printer has died and
> resisted all attepts to revive it.
> What now ?
> A replacement 1800 will be pretty old now. Perhaps an R1900 will be able
> to take over, and be the smoothest changeover. Is anyone currently using an
> 1900 with 3 MK ink ? Is it interchangeable as far as QTR is concerned ?
> Will it take my current (recharchable) cartridges ?
> I know Paul thinks it will work, but he hasn't actually used one.
> The alternative is , of course, the 1400/ or the latest model 1500W (is
> this the 1430 in US) The trouble is the import cost of the inks, unles I
> can formulate the medium to dilute my own.
> Sadly, not many use the MIS /Paul Rouke systems here in the UK.
>
>  
>


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That is useful to know. I love the gutsy 3MK prints but perhaps it is time to try the C6 approach
Are spongeless carts needed ?It is something you mention in a PDF on the 1800.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> If you have the bulk Eboni MK inks and can get carts for a 1500W, you can
> set that printer up as a 3-MK printer just like the 1800.  I prefer the
> smoother Eboni-6 look, but the 1400/1500W (assuming they are the same) uses
> the same 1.5 picoliter drop size that the 1800 used.  I made some basic
> 1400 3-MK QTR profiles for this purpose.  You may need to linearize these
> for different papers.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:16 AM, bobtail75 <cperfect594@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > After 2 years using an R1800 with 3 MK Eboni inks the printer has died and
> > resisted all attepts to revive it.
> > What now ?
> > A replacement 1800 will be pretty old now. Perhaps an R1900 will be able
> > to take over, and be the smoothest changeover. Is anyone currently using an
> > 1900 with 3 MK ink ? Is it interchangeable as far as QTR is concerned ?
> > Will it take my current (recharchable) cartridges ?
> > I know Paul thinks it will work, but he hasn't actually used one.
> > The alternative is , of course, the 1400/ or the latest model 1500W (is
> > this the 1430 in US) The trouble is the import cost of the inks, unles I
> > can formulate the medium to dilute my own.
> > Sadly, not many use the MIS /Paul Rouke systems here in the UK.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The generic base does not "eat" the sponges.  That was from the dilution
base used for Eboni-6 by MIS.  It may have been restricted to the
particular carts MIS was using at the time also.  At any rate, the generic
base has no problems that way.

If you mix the generic base, be sure to use good distilled water and a high
grade of glycerol.  The only problems I've heard with the generic base
relate to someone using tap water and glycerol of questionable purity.

Paul

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM, bobtail75 <cperfect594@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> That is useful to know. I love the gutsy 3MK prints but perhaps it is time
> to try the C6 approach
> Are spongeless carts needed ?It is something you mention in a PDF on the
> 1800.
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > If you have the bulk Eboni MK inks and can get carts for a 1500W, you can
> > set that printer up as a 3-MK printer just like the 1800. I prefer the
> > smoother Eboni-6 look, but the 1400/1500W (assuming they are the same)
> uses
> > the same 1.5 picoliter drop size that the 1800 used. I made some basic
> > 1400 3-MK QTR profiles for this purpose. You may need to linearize these
> > for different papers.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:16 AM, bobtail75 wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > After 2 years using an R1800 with 3 MK Eboni inks the printer has died
> and
> > > resisted all attepts to revive it.
> > > What now ?
> > > A replacement 1800 will be pretty old now. Perhaps an R1900 will be
> able
> > > to take over, and be the smoothest changeover. Is anyone currently
> using an
> > > 1900 with 3 MK ink ? Is it interchangeable as far as QTR is concerned ?
> > > Will it take my current (recharchable) cartridges ?
> > > I know Paul thinks it will work, but he hasn't actually used one.
> > > The alternative is , of course, the 1400/ or the latest model 1500W (is
> > > this the 1430 in US) The trouble is the import cost of the inks, unles
> I
> > > can formulate the medium to dilute my own.
> > > Sadly, not many use the MIS /Paul Rouke systems here in the UK.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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I may be in a similar situation soon. I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the dust. Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6 approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse. So if my R1800 goes, this would be the time to make that switch to the 1400/Eboni 6 workflow (now the 1430).

But I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me how I got such smooth carbon prints! Maybe I got lucky and got a good one. And now I have a chance to buy a very low mileage R1800 for $150, clogfree. I wouldn't have to embark on another learning curve besides which I'm quite happy with the 3MK prints. I should probably look at two prints side by side, the 1430/Eboni6 and the 1800/3MK and then I'd know for sure. And from what I've been reading lately here, I'm not so sure I'd be happy with those auto-reset carts.

I'm sure Paul has a more discerning eye than I do! A previous post called the 3MK prints "gutsy"... interesting description. They do have some punch, that's for sure.

I welcome any comments or advice!

Paul


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobtail75" <cperfect594@...> wrote:

>
> After 2 years using an R1800 with 3 MK Eboni inks the printer has died and resisted all attepts to revive it.
> What now ?
> A replacement 1800 will be pretty old now. Perhaps an R1900 will be able to take over, and be the smoothest changeover. Is anyone currently using an 1900 with 3 MK ink ? Is it interchangeable as far as QTR is concerned ? Will it take my current (recharchable) cartridges ?
> I know Paul thinks it will work, but he hasn't actually used one.
> The alternative is , of course, the 1400/ or the latest model 1500W (is this the 1430 in US) The trouble is the import cost of the inks, unles I can formulate the medium to dilute my own. 
> Sadly, not many use the MIS /Paul Rouke systems here in the UK.
>

Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so
> good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the dust.
>
Staying with a 1.5 pl Epson printer that is supported by QTR is the key.

Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6
> approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse.
>

You can run Eboni/Carbon-6 on an 1800 along with still having the 3-MK
workflow available.
See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-1800.pdf



> ... I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me how I
> got such smooth carbon prints!
>
I only had a problem with the 3-MK workflow with images that had clear gray
skies.

With a 1.5 pl printer, one of the approaches I like is to run QTR with 50%
of the image printed with Eboni-6 and 50% printed with Black Only (1400 BO
or 1800 3-MK).  The combined image is smooth enough for almost any image.
 Black only printing is generally more neutral in tone than Eboni-6.  So,
it gives more control over image tone.

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-No-OBA-Paper.pdf  and
 http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-OBA-Papers.pdf  for 3-MK (Black
only) print tones.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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That 50/50 idea sounds interesting, if it gets the best of both worlds in print quality.What would the QTR workflow be ?

I'm currently looking at a 'low mieage' 1800 or 1400, but noone so far has commented on using the 1900.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so
> > good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the dust.
> >
> Staying with a 1.5 pl Epson printer that is supported by QTR is the key.
> 
> Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6
> > approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse.
> >
> 
> You can run Eboni/Carbon-6 on an 1800 along with still having the 3-MK
> workflow available.
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-1800.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> > ... I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me how I
> > got such smooth carbon prints!
> >
> I only had a problem with the 3-MK workflow with images that had clear gray
> skies.
> 
> With a 1.5 pl printer, one of the approaches I like is to run QTR with 50%
> of the image printed with Eboni-6 and 50% printed with Black Only (1400 BO
> or 1800 3-MK).  The combined image is smooth enough for almost any image.
>  Black only printing is generally more neutral in tone than Eboni-6.  So,
> it gives more control over image tone.
> 
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-No-OBA-Paper.pdf  and
>  http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-OBA-Papers.pdf  for 3-MK (Black
> only) print tones.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks, Paul,

I studied the pdfs on the links you sent... one thing I forgot to mention is that I find the 3MK approach has a strong appeal to me in its simplicity and economy. I'm not quite ready to embark on the next step in my learning curve! I hasten to add I'm impressed and grateful for your contributions to the b/w printing community but I may take a pass for now.

Best regards,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so
> > good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the dust.
> >
> Staying with a 1.5 pl Epson printer that is supported by QTR is the key.
> 
> Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6
> > approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse.
> >
> 
> You can run Eboni/Carbon-6 on an 1800 along with still having the 3-MK
> workflow available.
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-1800.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> > ... I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me how I
> > got such smooth carbon prints!
> >
> I only had a problem with the 3-MK workflow with images that had clear gray
> skies.
> 
> With a 1.5 pl printer, one of the approaches I like is to run QTR with 50%
> of the image printed with Eboni-6 and 50% printed with Black Only (1400 BO
> or 1800 3-MK).  The combined image is smooth enough for almost any image.
>  Black only printing is generally more neutral in tone than Eboni-6.  So,
> it gives more control over image tone.
> 
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-No-OBA-Paper.pdf  and
>  http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-OBA-Papers.pdf  for 3-MK (Black
> only) print tones.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The easiest way to have a 50% black only (or 3-MK) plus 50% Eboni-6 is to
blend those two profiles with the sliders in QTR.  So, you'd make the
individual profiles as usual.  The 3-MK takes a hand drawn basic curve, but
that curve and how to use it are explained in the QTR profiles for the 1800.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:31 AM, bobtail75 <cperfect594@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> That 50/50 idea sounds interesting, if it gets the best of both worlds in
> print quality.What would the QTR workflow be ?
>
> I'm currently looking at a 'low mieage' 1800 or 1400, but noone so far has
> commented on using the 1900.
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > ... I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so
> > > good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the
> dust.
> > >
> > Staying with a 1.5 pl Epson printer that is supported by QTR is the key.
> >
> > Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6
> > > approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse.
> > >
> >
> > You can run Eboni/Carbon-6 on an 1800 along with still having the 3-MK
> > workflow available.
> > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-1800.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > > ... I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me
> how I
> > > got such smooth carbon prints!
> > >
> > I only had a problem with the 3-MK workflow with images that had clear
> gray
> > skies.
> >
> > With a 1.5 pl printer, one of the approaches I like is to run QTR with
> 50%
> > of the image printed with Eboni-6 and 50% printed with Black Only (1400
> BO
> > or 1800 3-MK). The combined image is smooth enough for almost any image.
> > Black only printing is generally more neutral in tone than Eboni-6. So,
> > it gives more control over image tone.
> >
> > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-No-OBA-Paper.pdf and
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-OBA-Papers.pdf for 3-MK (Black
> > only) print tones.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Thank you for that. I am familiar with curve creation using the scanner method for 3MK, so now a whole new exploration can start.
Chris.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> The easiest way to have a 50% black only (or 3-MK) plus 50% Eboni-6 is to
> blend those two profiles with the sliders in QTR.  So, you'd make the
> individual profiles as usual.  The 3-MK takes a hand drawn basic curve, but
> that curve and how to use it are explained in the QTR profiles for the 1800.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:31 AM, bobtail75 <cperfect594@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > That 50/50 idea sounds interesting, if it gets the best of both worlds in
> > print quality.What would the QTR workflow be ?
> >
> > I'm currently looking at a 'low mieage' 1800 or 1400, but noone so far has
> > commented on using the 1900.
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ... I've had my R1800 for five years, using 3MK cartridges - so far so
> > > > good. I've been wondering which way to go when and if mine bites the
> > dust.
> > > >
> > > Staying with a 1.5 pl Epson printer that is supported by QTR is the key.
> > >
> > > Right after I bought it Paul was perfecting the 1400 and the Eboni 6
> > > > approach, so I had a bit of buyers remorse.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can run Eboni/Carbon-6 on an 1800 along with still having the 3-MK
> > > workflow available.
> > > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-1800.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ... I have some 3MK prints in a local gallery and the owner asked me
> > how I
> > > > got such smooth carbon prints!
> > > >
> > > I only had a problem with the 3-MK workflow with images that had clear
> > gray
> > > skies.
> > >
> > > With a 1.5 pl printer, one of the approaches I like is to run QTR with
> > 50%
> > > of the image printed with Eboni-6 and 50% printed with Black Only (1400
> > BO
> > > or 1800 3-MK). The combined image is smooth enough for almost any image.
> > > Black only printing is generally more neutral in tone than Eboni-6. So,
> > > it gives more control over image tone.
> > >
> > > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-No-OBA-Paper.pdf and
> > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800-OBA-Papers.pdf for 3-MK (Black
> > > only) print tones.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>