Digital BW, The Print

As I mentioned in the "Blacks, EB6 and Epson driver" thread, above, I used a flatbed scanner to profile Red River Polar Matte for QTR.  I've documented the procedure and results at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf .  Hopefully this plus Roy's StepWedge Tool (at http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRdownload.html )  will help those with flatbeds and no spectros.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, this is a really great, straightforward writeup of the procedure that
worked well for me.

After reading it through, the only question I am wondering about the
measurement of the 100% patch for the lighter colors. It seemed to me (when
I did it) that I should use the last patch that showed a non-zero density
delta, and by that I'd save redundant ink for that shade (through operator
error and paper feed problems, I've had a couple of puddling episodes).

Is there a strong reason to read the 100% patch or is it just something
that's worked well historically?

Thanks!
Pete

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> As I mentioned in the "Blacks, EB6 and Epson driver" thread, above, I used
> a flatbed scanner to profile Red River Polar Matte for QTR.  I've
> documented the procedure and results at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf .  Hopefully this plus
> Roy's StepWedge Tool (at http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRdownload.html)  will help those with flatbeds and no spectros.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
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Pete Bergstrom <petebergstrom@...> wrote:

>... the only question I am wondering about the
> measurement of the 100% patch for the lighter colors...

Remember that this is from the Calibration Mode print that was printed
at the default (black and others) ink limit of 35.  So,  you do want
the "100%" patch, which is really 100% of the 35% (that is, 35%).

> Is there a strong reason to read the 100% patch or is it just something
> that's worked well historically?

Both.

As I understand the system and also from my experience, you use the
dilute ink patch that is at the ink limit you've determined for that
ink.  The dilute ink limits do not have to be the very last patch on
the 100% (first) Calibration Mode print where the change is positive.
Often I get a better profile & print (and use the inks more
efficiently) if I use an ink limit that is where the changes in the
density are more substantial.  In practice using the Black ink limit
for the dilute inks is a shortcut that assures that the dilute inks
will not overload the paper, while at the same time nicely
distributing the inks.

In this case the ink limit of 35 for the black was also used for the
dilute inks.  The entire second calibration print was printed at that
ink limit.  So, you should measure the 100% patch from the second (35
ink limit) Calibration Mode print.

It's important to note that I am not using the 100% patch of the first
Calibration print, which was made at 100%.

In this case the separation of the C (densest dilute ink) is not very
much at 35, but it is sufficient.

The reason I showed the pre-linearization characteristic curve is to
show that, while it's not perfectly linear, this approach makes a
fairly good curve at the outset.  See page 8 of
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf .   Some may find the
curve actually matches their monitors rather well as is.  Also, note
that you'd like as much real information in the toe of the curve as
possible.  Interpolating down at the black cross-over can be
hazardous.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned in the "Blacks, EB6 and Epson driver" thread, above, I used
>> a flatbed scanner to profile Red River Polar Matte for QTR.  I've
>> documented the procedure and results at
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf .  Hopefully this plus
>> Roy's StepWedge Tool (at http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRdownload.html)  will help those with flatbeds and no spectros.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
>> they are often being updated.
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