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Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.

Les

Hi Les,

Can you add details about what you mean by asking for a recipe?

If you are looking for general information, I started down this path a
couple of years ago and it has been going well. In my opinion, the best two
resources for this are:

    http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ which has a wealth of information
about Eboni printing for several models of Epson printers and which
shouldn't be hard to translate to your situation.

    http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/ which has a turnkey solution for
monochrome printing that, in my experience, drops in and works.

Best,
Pete



On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an
> Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
>
> Les
>
>
>
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Thanks Pete,

I've looked at Paul's great website and I would like to use his guidelines for saving ink costs by diluting my own inks for the 8 positions on the 3800, but I can't find a recipe for dilution for an 8 ink machine. I've also found Jon Cone's inksets and they look fine, except they are quite expensive to use over the long term on a retirement pension.

Les

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Pete Bergstrom <petebergstrom@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Les,
> 
> Can you add details about what you mean by asking for a recipe?
> 
> If you are looking for general information, I started down this path a
> couple of years ago and it has been going well. In my opinion, the best two
> resources for this are:
> 
>     http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ which has a wealth of information
> about Eboni printing for several models of Epson printers and which
> shouldn't be hard to translate to your situation.
> 
>     http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/ which has a turnkey solution for
> monochrome printing that, in my experience, drops in and works.
> 
> Best,
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an
> > Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >

Hi Les,

Paul just wrote up a good, concise procedure for calibrating a set of Eboni
inks with QTR (posted March 22):

Paul roark.paul@...
via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=1311182>
 yahoogroups.com

Mar 22 (3 days ago)

to DigitalBlackan.

As I mentioned in the "Blacks, EB6 and Epson driver" thread, above, I used
a flatbed scanner to profile Red River Polar Matte for QTR.  I've
documented the procedure and results at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf .  Hopefully this plus
Roy's StepWedge Tool (at http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRdownload.html )
 will help those with flatbeds and no spectros.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>

I used much the same procedure to calibrate a 7-shade printer a few weeks
ago (with my own choices for dilutions). My personal experience suggests to
me that the next time I mix up a batch of inks I'll increase the dilution
for most of the shades; the system seems robust enough to handle this kind
of tinkering. Between Paul's years of experimenting and writing and Roy
Harrington's software, this is a pretty capable system.

Pete

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:

> Thanks Pete,
>
> I've looked at Paul's great website and I would like to use his guidelines
> for saving ink costs by diluting my own inks for the 8 positions on the
> 3800, but I can't find a recipe for dilution for an 8 ink machine. I've
> also found Jon Cone's inksets and they look fine, except they are quite
> expensive to use over the long term on a retirement pension.
>
> Les
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Pete Bergstrom
> <petebergstrom@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les,
> >
> > Can you add details about what you mean by asking for a recipe?
> >
> > If you are looking for general information, I started down this path a
> > couple of years ago and it has been going well. In my opinion, the best
> two
> > resources for this are:
> >
> >     http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ which has a wealth of information
> > about Eboni printing for several models of Epson printers and which
> > shouldn't be hard to translate to your situation.
> >
> >     http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/ which has a turnkey solution
> for
> > monochrome printing that, in my experience, drops in and works.
> >
> > Best,
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints
> on an
> > > Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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The inks themselves are easy.  It appears to be a rather standard Epson K3
printer.  I don't know of people who have profiles, but since QTR supports
the printer, re-linearizing other K3 printer profiles should work.  Also,
QTR is not that hard to learn for profiling.  See the flatbed
scanner abbreviated procedure I've used at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf

The short answer is that the 3800 should work fine, as long as you can get
good carts.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an
> Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
>
> Les
>
>  
>


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Leslie
 
Just a couple of thoughts:
 
1    You are unlikely to see any benefit from using all 8 cartridges, I'd go with Paul's Eboni 6 set and run two cartridges with cleaner/base.
 
2    There is more to the cost of using these inksets than just buying the ink.  Jon Cone's inksets, whilst expensive are truly plug and play.  He provides lots of profiles which are packaged with QTR.  I have also never had any issues with clogging with his K7 inksets.  Paul's inksets are much cheaper to buy but require a bit more work from the user, you will probably have to create your own profiles and experiment a little.  That can be fun but won't necessarily be lower cost by the time you have it all working. I have also had some clogging issues with the MIS inksets when they aren't used frequently.
 
I've got, use and like both Cone and MIS inksets. I think Eboni gives the better blacks and works better on uncoated papers but needs more user input.  
 
David Whistance
 

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 From: Leslie <lestihor@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013, 14:36
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] carbon prints on an epson 3800
  
   
 
Thanks Pete,

I've looked at Paul's great website and I would like to use his guidelines for saving ink costs by diluting my own inks for the 8 positions on the 3800, but I can't find a recipe for dilution for an 8 ink machine. I've also found Jon Cone's inksets and they look fine, except they are quite expensive to use over the long term on a retirement pension.

Les

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Pete Bergstrom <petebergstrom@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> 
> Can you add details about what you mean by asking for a recipe?
> 
> If you are looking for general information, I started down this path a
> couple of years ago and it has been going well. In my opinion, the best two
> resources for this are:
> 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ which has a wealth of information
> about Eboni printing for several models of Epson printers and which
> shouldn't be hard to translate to your situation.
> 
> http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/ which has a turnkey solution for
> monochrome printing that, in my experience, drops in and works.
> 
> Best,
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an
> > Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >

   
         

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Thanks, Paul and all others who have helped. I should be able to take it from here. I really appreciate this great group.

Les

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> The inks themselves are easy.  It appears to be a rather standard Epson K3
> printer.  I don't know of people who have profiles, but since QTR supports
> the printer, re-linearizing other K3 printer profiles should work.  Also,
> QTR is not that hard to learn for profiling.  See the flatbed
> scanner abbreviated procedure I've used at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/QTR-Flatbed.pdf
> 
> The short answer is that the 3800 should work fine, as long as you can get
> good carts.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Leslie <lestihor@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have recipes for printing Ebony-type carbon based prints on an
> > Epson 3800, either using an RIP or the epson B&W driver? Thanks.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

David Whistance <david.whistance@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Leslie
>
> Just a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1    You are unlikely to see any benefit from using all 8 cartridges, I'd
> go with Paul's Eboni 6 set and run two cartridges with cleaner/base...
>

That's one reason why I use the HP neutral inks in 2 positions.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-EbHP-2013.pdf

It is also true that I am not in the ink business and do not make a full
set of profiles, etc. available for a broad range of printers.  I mostly
just publish what I do for others to use as they see fit.  Forums like this
one and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP/messages offer a
certain amount of support, but we're basically a bunch of hackers.  :)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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