Digital BW, The Print

I have  been using CC for almost a year. A few points to perhaps calm the waters 1. you can always save  backwards compatible versions of what ever you do. Sometimes  its important sometimes not, 2. A cloud solution is only one location for storage of documents and should never be relied upon as an only location.  If one i concerned that Adobe is going to turn it into a "cash cow" then make other arrangements - now - storage is cheap and getting cheaper, 3. Adobe CC is not just for Photographers and was never intended to be - those of us with wider interests and more varied usage for imaging programs find that the interactivity built into first CS and now CC suite of programs extremely useful.  4. the cost of a subscription vs. the cost of regular upgrades when spread over the usual time between major upgrades to the programs ie spread over 3 to 4 years is more or less a wash - better if you are supporting a multi - user environment



Berel Lutsky
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UW Manitowoc
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On 09/07/2013 04:27 PM, jimbo wrote:

> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#storage-services read
> the storage and cloud services section.. Also note the Behance topics as
> you also get that too with your membership.....using it of course it up
> to you.

Jimbo,

Thanks and I found more on other aspects linked from there. I have a 
Premium Creative Suite with Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, Bridge, 
Acrobat Pro, etc. I see that my CC route is not leading me to the 
Photoshop + Lightroom + Bridge + Behance + 20GB deal at 9.99 but to the 
(first year reduced price) but expensive CC Suite version that was known 
months ago or a single Photoshop CC version at twice the 9.99 price. In 
Euro.
I guess Adobe assumes that a customer who could afford a more expensive 
package in the past should not get a chance for a good deal as he can 
afford a worse deal.

Sometimes we see that policy here when you do a gift for a good cause 
and they increase the mailing as they estimate that sucker can do more 
for the good cause.

Nope. I'm out till that offer is covering my route too.

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From: "jimbo" <mrjimbo@...>
> I do feel that we should all try to continue to have an open and non 
> stressful dialog about all this as I feel it is part of the substance that 
> will help all of us on the group move into the future..

One advantage of the subscription model that I have not seen mentioned is 
one put forward by Thomas Knoll in an interview with Michael Reichman, 
namely that the engineers will not have to spend so much time producing 
headline-grabbing new features for conventional upgrades, but will be able 
to devote more time to improving performance, getting rid of bugs, and doing 
things that make the programs easier to use, thus making their subscribers 
happier while using the programs. An important point that I welcome.

Bob Frost

From:  Bob Frost <bobfrost@...>

"namely that the engineers will not have to spend so much time producing
headline-grabbing new features for conventional upgrades, but will be able
to devote more time to improving performance"

Or, you could read that to mean that since users are FORCED to pay a monthly
subscription and KEEP paying in order to retain access to their presumably,
very important files, Adobe no longer has a motive to produce, which, BTW,
is exactly the way these subscription software packages ACTUALLY work!
Ever looked at software that has been subscription only for a decade or
more? I have. Funny thing. It looks exactly like ten year old software.

They stop developing because they know they have a captive audience and can
hold their files hostage.


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From: "David Kachel" <david@...>
> Or, you could read that to mean that since users are FORCED to pay a 
> monthly
> subscription and KEEP paying in order to retain access to their 
> presumably,
> very important files, Adobe no longer has a motive to produce, which, BTW,
> is exactly the way these subscription software packages ACTUALLY work!
> Ever looked at software that has been subscription only for a decade or
> more? I have. Funny thing. It looks exactly like ten year old software.

You could, if you were a conspiracy theorist! But I'm not - I'm a 'gullible 
sucker' who actually would like the engineers to get rid of existing bugs, 
and stop producing new ones!

Bob frost

On 09/07/2013 09:27 PM, jimbo wrote:

> For the record I have the Design and Web Prem Creative suite for both
> platforms here at CS6..  I'm going to jump in solely to test the waters
> and see how the ride is.. so basically I'm just tossing 120 bucks in the
> air to learn.. and their are a couple of new tools / features in the CC
> version of Photoshop that are related to smart objects that I really
> want to use and try out for a while..

As I understand it the deal of $120 a year is only for the Photoshop 
license holders. not for the Suite licenses. It has to appeal to 
photographers I guess. See the last line "Suites and volume licenses do 
not qualify"

 >>This offer includes access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, plus 
feature updates and upgrades as they are available; 20GB of cloud 
storage for file sharing and collaboration; and Behance ProSite for your 
own fully customizable professional portfolio. That means you get all 
the benefits of a Creative Cloud single-app membership for Photoshop CC, 
but with Lightroom 5 included as well, for a terrific monthly price (all 
prices are exclusive of VAT/local taxes):

North America	$9.99 USD
European Union	\ufffd9.99 EUR
EMEA non-EU	$9.99 USD
Australia/New Zealand	$9.99 AUD
Asia Pacific	$9.99 USD
Japan	\ufffd1,000 JPY
United Kingdom	\ufffd7.14 GBP
This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial 
version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x, 
CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify. Requires 
an annual commitment with monthly billing. Available for purchase from 
September 17, 2013, through December 31, 2013 from Adobe.com only.<<

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2012: 500+ inkjet media paper white spectral plots.

From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand@...>
> The subscription model is also a refuge for a company running out of
> ideas...plumping for annuity income (smaller, steady state cash flow)
> rather than transactional income (potentially larger, riskier cash flow) 
> is
> a sure sign of weariness in innovation within a company.

Well, the first set of improvements for Photoshop CC have just arrived - 
14.1.

Bob frost