Digital BW, The Print

I just thought I'd mention that I placed a new photo on my main photo
webpage (below).  It is a shot I took at the San Miguel Mission on my way to
the Bay Area meeting of forum members.

Very nice meeting, complete with photo ops on the way.

The image was printed with the MIS VM-Sepia inkset, using a fine-tuned
"Light Sepia" curve for the 3000.  (It is a modified "cool" curve.)

A 16x20 version of the image now hangs in my office.  I like this new
inkset.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Bravo Paul!  A great looking inkset but more to the point, a great 
rich shot of the mission.

>
>
>The image was printed with the MIS VM-Sepia inkset, using a fine-tuned
>"Light Sepia" curve for the 3000.  (It is a modified "cool" curve.)

Paul, on your web site you mention that VM-Sepia covers Sepia to 
neutral. Could you describe the neutral?

TIA,

Jerry.

Paul,

A beautiful rendition. Stunning light and atmosphere. Well done 
indeed!

A question if I may? How does the inkset you used behave using Piezo? 
Could I use Piezo for neutral prints and your curves for 
alternatives? I currently have only a 3000.

David Hatton

Paul,

That is a beautiful image. And only enhanced by the wonderful 
tonality of the sepia inkset. 

I am interested trying out the new sepia mix but am a bit 
confused as to how to go about beginning.

I am using the VM hex set (CIS) with a 1280 on a Mac. My 4oz. 
bottles are about half full.

I understand that I need to call MIS and ask for the sepia as it's 
not on the website. 

Is it a full 6 ink package? (Will I be replacing all inks currently 
used for VM printing)

Or do I want only the black for sepia? Can I use the curves 
presently available for the Mac 1280 VM set?

Thanks and sorry if this new workflow has been described 
previously. Bits and pieces seem to be scattered over the past 
several weeks.

Jeff Korte

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I just thought I'd mention that I placed a new photo on my main 
photo
> webpage (below).

Paul,

Do you have these sheets on your website?


-della


> Paul,
> I use a PC running PS6.01
> 
> 
> Thanks a Million
> Vinny
> 
> 
> 
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> 
> wrote:
>> Vinny,
>> 
>> Tell me what platform you use -- Mac or PC -- and
I'll send the 
> info sheet
>> and curves.
>> 
>> Paul
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>   Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:09 AM
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
new sepia webpage 
> photo
>> 
>> 
>>   ---
>>   Paul
>>   Thank you for the info. Your work is beautifull.
Hope I get there
>>   soon. Question: where can I get the info sheets
you mentioned
>> 
>>   Vinny
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...>
>>   wrote:
>>> Vinny,
>>> 
>>> The VM-sepia should work fine in your 1200.
>>> 
>>> To use the variable-tone system, you continue to
edit in
>>   grayscale.  When
>>> you are ready to print, save the g/s file, convert
the file to 
> RGB,
>>   load a
>>> tone curve (the screen will no longer be WYSIWYG),
and print
>>   through the
>>> Epson driver.  (A Photoshop "action" can make this
a one-button
>>   process.)
>>> 
>>> The workflow is described is some detail in
information sheets I
>>   have.
>>> 
>>> Since MIS only sells the VM-sepia in bulk, you'll
need to load
>>   carts or use
>>> a CFS/CIS.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> _______________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:19 PM
>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
new sepia 
> webpage
>>   photo
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   ---
>>>   Paul-great print, I am new to this MIS as I have
been printing
>>   with
>>>   Piezo for about a year now and am wondering if I
can use the
>>   sepia in
>>>   an Epson 1200 with your curves. If so when and
where are the
>>   curves
>>>   applied. Like I said I am new to the MIS but
have been 
> thinking
>>   about
>>>   tring them. I am not dissatified with the Piezo
but do not 
> have
>>   good
>>>   control over tones.
>>> 
>>>   Thanks
>>>   Vinny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
Roark"
>>   <paul.roark@v...>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>> 
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> A beautiful rendition. Stunning light and
atmosphere.
>>>>> Well done indeed!
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>>> ... How does the inkset you used behave using
Piezo?
>>>> 
>>>> The Piezo driver can't vary the tone, and with
this inkset 
> it
>>   will
>>>   give a
>>>> very bad distribution of tones.  The toner in a
3000 is in 
> the
>>>   yellow cart,
>>>> which is the lightest gray ink in the Piezo
system.  So, 
> you'd
>>   end
>>>   up with
>>>> sepia highlights and Piezo color midtones.
>>>> 
>>>>> Could I use Piezo for neutral prints and your
curves for
>>>>> alternatives? I currently have only a 3000.
>>>> 
>>>> The new FS-Neutral and the VM-Sepia use the same
black and 
> cyan
>>>   inks.  So,
>>>> you could simply switch the yellow and magenta
ink carts, 
> do 3
>>>   cleaning
>>>> cycles and have the new inkset pretty much ready
to go.
>>>> 
>>>> Or, you could mix the FS-Sepia and use the Piezo
driver.  
> I've
>>>   published a
>>>> rough formula for the FS-sepia.  It is a bit
stronger than 
> what
>>   I
>>>   used for
>>>> the Mission print, but its gamut can be reduced
to whatever 
> you
>>>   like by
>>>> mixing the inks with standard MIS FS inks.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, it's a lot easier just to use the MIS
VM-sepia 
> inkset
>>>   and not
>>>> mess with changing inks.  The inkset produces a
very neutral
>>>   grayscale with
>>>> the toner withheld.  So, the range of the
VM-Sepia is real
>>>   impressive --
>>>> neutral to sepia and everything in between.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether you would be happy with the 3000's driver
is a 
> question
>>   of
>>>   how
>>>> sensitive you are to dots.  For my 16x20s the
Epson dots are
>>>   irrelevant.
>>>> For small prints, I might not be as happy with
the 3000 and 
> the
>>>   Epson
>>>> driver.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>> 
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Della,

I e-mail the information sheet and curves for the printer and computer (PC
or Mac) as requested.  The information sheet explains how the variable-tone
system works and has the settings for the particular printer/platform in
question, among other things.

Paul

__________________

-----Original Message-----
From: della ellingson [mailto:dellaellingson@...]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:58 PM
To: bw
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel - new sepia webpage photo


Paul,

Do you have these sheets on your website?


-della


> Paul,
> I use a PC running PS6.01
>
>
> Thanks a Million
> Vinny
>
>
>
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...>
> wrote:
>> Vinny,
>>
>> Tell me what platform you use -- Mac or PC -- and
I'll send the
> info sheet
>> and curves.
>>
>> Paul
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>   Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:09 AM
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
new sepia webpage
> photo
>>
>>
>>   ---
>>   Paul
>>   Thank you for the info. Your work is beautifull.
Hope I get there
>>   soon. Question: where can I get the info sheets
you mentioned
>>
>>   Vinny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...>
>>   wrote:
>>> Vinny,
>>>
>>> The VM-sepia should work fine in your 1200.
>>>
>>> To use the variable-tone system, you continue to
edit in
>>   grayscale.  When
>>> you are ready to print, save the g/s file, convert
the file to
> RGB,
>>   load a
>>> tone curve (the screen will no longer be WYSIWYG),
and print
>>   through the
>>> Epson driver.  (A Photoshop "action" can make this
a one-button
>>   process.)
>>>
>>> The workflow is described is some detail in
information sheets I
>>   have.
>>>
>>> Since MIS only sells the VM-sepia in bulk, you'll
need to load
>>   carts or use
>>> a CFS/CIS.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> _______________________
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:19 PM
>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
new sepia
> webpage
>>   photo
>>>
>>>
>>>   ---
>>>   Paul-great print, I am new to this MIS as I have
been printing
>>   with
>>>   Piezo for about a year now and am wondering if I
can use the
>>   sepia in
>>>   an Epson 1200 with your curves. If so when and
where are the
>>   curves
>>>   applied. Like I said I am new to the MIS but
have been
> thinking
>>   about
>>>   tring them. I am not dissatified with the Piezo
but do not
> have
>>   good
>>>   control over tones.
>>>
>>>   Thanks
>>>   Vinny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
Roark"
>>   <paul.roark@v...>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> You wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A beautiful rendition. Stunning light and
atmosphere.
>>>>> Well done indeed!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>> ... How does the inkset you used behave using
Piezo?
>>>>
>>>> The Piezo driver can't vary the tone, and with
this inkset
> it
>>   will
>>>   give a
>>>> very bad distribution of tones.  The toner in a
3000 is in
> the
>>>   yellow cart,
>>>> which is the lightest gray ink in the Piezo
system.  So,
> you'd
>>   end
>>>   up with
>>>> sepia highlights and Piezo color midtones.
>>>>
>>>>> Could I use Piezo for neutral prints and your
curves for
>>>>> alternatives? I currently have only a 3000.
>>>>
>>>> The new FS-Neutral and the VM-Sepia use the same
black and
> cyan
>>>   inks.  So,
>>>> you could simply switch the yellow and magenta
ink carts,
> do 3
>>>   cleaning
>>>> cycles and have the new inkset pretty much ready
to go.
>>>>
>>>> Or, you could mix the FS-Sepia and use the Piezo
driver.
> I've
>>>   published a
>>>> rough formula for the FS-sepia.  It is a bit
stronger than
> what
>>   I
>>>   used for
>>>> the Mission print, but its gamut can be reduced
to whatever
> you
>>>   like by
>>>> mixing the inks with standard MIS FS inks.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it's a lot easier just to use the MIS
VM-sepia
> inkset
>>>   and not
>>>> mess with changing inks.  The inkset produces a
very neutral
>>>   grayscale with
>>>> the toner withheld.  So, the range of the
VM-Sepia is real
>>>   impressive --
>>>> neutral to sepia and everything in between.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you would be happy with the 3000's driver
is a
> question
>>   of
>>>   how
>>>> sensitive you are to dots.  For my 16x20s the
Epson dots are
>>>   irrelevant.
>>>> For small prints, I might not be as happy with
the 3000 and
> the
>>>   Epson
>>>> driver.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>>
>>
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Paul,

Why? Wouldn't it be easier for you to post it on your
website? You have a nice website already.


-della



> Della,
> 
> I e-mail the information sheet and curves for the
printer and computer (PC
> or Mac) as requested.  The information sheet
explains how the variable-tone
> system works and has the settings for the particular
printer/platform in
> question, among other things.
> 
> Paul
> 
> __________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: della ellingson
[mailto:dellaellingson@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:58 PM
> To: bw
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel - new
sepia webpage photo
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Do you have these sheets on your website?
> 
> 
> -della
> 
> 
>> Paul,
>> I use a PC running PS6.01
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks a Million
>> Vinny
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...>
>> wrote:
>>> Vinny,
>>> 
>>> Tell me what platform you use -- Mac or PC -- and
> I'll send the
>> info sheet
>>> and curves.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>   Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:09 AM
>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
> new sepia webpage
>> photo
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   ---
>>>   Paul
>>>   Thank you for the info. Your work is beautifull.
> Hope I get there
>>>   soon. Question: where can I get the info sheets
> you mentioned
>>> 
>>>   Vinny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
> Roark"
>> <paul.roark@v...>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> Vinny,
>>>> 
>>>> The VM-sepia should work fine in your 1200.
>>>> 
>>>> To use the variable-tone system, you continue to
> edit in
>>>   grayscale.  When
>>>> you are ready to print, save the g/s file,
convert
> the file to
>> RGB,
>>>   load a
>>>> tone curve (the screen will no longer be
WYSIWYG),
> and print
>>>   through the
>>>> Epson driver.  (A Photoshop "action" can make
this
> a one-button
>>>   process.)
>>>> 
>>>> The workflow is described is some detail in
> information sheets I
>>>   have.
>>>> 
>>>> Since MIS only sells the VM-sepia in bulk, you'll
> need to load
>>>   carts or use
>>>> a CFS/CIS.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:19 PM
>>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
> new sepia
>> webpage
>>>   photo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   ---
>>>>   Paul-great print, I am new to this MIS as I
have
> been printing
>>>   with
>>>>   Piezo for about a year now and am wondering if
I
> can use the
>>>   sepia in
>>>>   an Epson 1200 with your curves. If so when and
> where are the
>>>   curves
>>>>   applied. Like I said I am new to the MIS but
> have been
>> thinking
>>>   about
>>>>   tring them. I am not dissatified with the Piezo
> but do not
>> have
>>>   good
>>>>   control over tones.
>>>> 
>>>>   Thanks
>>>>   Vinny
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
> Roark"
>>>   <paul.roark@v...>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>> David,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> A beautiful rendition. Stunning light and
> atmosphere.
>>>>>> Well done indeed!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ... How does the inkset you used behave using
> Piezo?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Piezo driver can't vary the tone, and with
> this inkset
>> it
>>>   will
>>>>   give a
>>>>> very bad distribution of tones.  The toner in a
> 3000 is in
>> the
>>>>   yellow cart,
>>>>> which is the lightest gray ink in the Piezo
> system.  So,
>> you'd
>>>   end
>>>>   up with
>>>>> sepia highlights and Piezo color midtones.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could I use Piezo for neutral prints and your
> curves for
>>>>>> alternatives? I currently have only a 3000.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The new FS-Neutral and the VM-Sepia use the same
> black and
>> cyan
>>>>   inks.  So,
>>>>> you could simply switch the yellow and magenta
> ink carts,
>> do 3
>>>>   cleaning
>>>>> cycles and have the new inkset pretty much ready
> to go.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or, you could mix the FS-Sepia and use the Piezo
> driver.
>> I've
>>>>   published a
>>>>> rough formula for the FS-sepia.  It is a bit
> stronger than
>> what
>>>   I
>>>>   used for
>>>>> the Mission print, but its gamut can be reduced
> to whatever
>> you
>>>>   like by
>>>>> mixing the inks with standard MIS FS inks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course, it's a lot easier just to use the MIS
> VM-sepia
>> inkset
>>>>   and not
>>>>> mess with changing inks.  The inkset produces a
> very neutral
>>>>   grayscale with
>>>>> the toner withheld.  So, the range of the
> VM-Sepia is real
>>>>   impressive --
>>>>> neutral to sepia and everything in between.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whether you would be happy with the 3000's
driver
> is a
>> question
>>>   of
>>>>   how
>>>>> sensitive you are to dots.  For my 16x20s the
> Epson dots are
>>>>   irrelevant.
>>>>> For small prints, I might not be as happy with
> the 3000 and
>> the
>>>>   Epson
>>>>> driver.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>>> 
>>> 
>>>         Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>>               ADVERTISEMENT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the
> Files, Bookmarks,
>> Polls and
>>> other resources as they are often being updated.
> The page is at:
>>> 
>>> 
>
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>>> 
>>>   Please follow these basic guidelines:
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>>> them short.
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> change the subject
>> header.
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> personal attacks
>> or "flames."
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Della,

MIS has the curves and workflows on their website already.  So, all I really
do with e-mail is respond with pre-packaged letters to those who come to me
instead.  (Also I'm running out of free space on my website, and I'm too
cheap to buy more and too lazy to learn much more than the most basic html.)

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: della ellingson [mailto:dellaellingson@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:45 AM
To: bw
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel - new sepia webpage photo


Paul,

Why? Wouldn't it be easier for you to post it on your
website? You have a nice website already.


-della



> Della,
>
> I e-mail the information sheet and curves for the
printer and computer (PC
> or Mac) as requested.  The information sheet
explains how the variable-tone
> system works and has the settings for the particular
printer/platform in
> question, among other things.
>
> Paul
>
> __________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: della ellingson
[mailto:dellaellingson@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:58 PM
> To: bw
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel - new
sepia webpage photo
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Do you have these sheets on your website?
>
>
> -della
>
>
>> Paul,
>> I use a PC running PS6.01
>>
>>
>> Thanks a Million
>> Vinny
>>
>>
>>
>> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...>
>> wrote:
>>> Vinny,
>>>
>>> Tell me what platform you use -- Mac or PC -- and
> I'll send the
>> info sheet
>>> and curves.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>   Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:09 AM
>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
> new sepia webpage
>> photo
>>>
>>>
>>>   ---
>>>   Paul
>>>   Thank you for the info. Your work is beautifull.
> Hope I get there
>>>   soon. Question: where can I get the info sheets
> you mentioned
>>>
>>>   Vinny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
> Roark"
>> <paul.roark@v...>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> Vinny,
>>>>
>>>> The VM-sepia should work fine in your 1200.
>>>>
>>>> To use the variable-tone system, you continue to
> edit in
>>>   grayscale.  When
>>>> you are ready to print, save the g/s file,
convert
> the file to
>> RGB,
>>>   load a
>>>> tone curve (the screen will no longer be
WYSIWYG),
> and print
>>>   through the
>>>> Epson driver.  (A Photoshop "action" can make
this
> a one-button
>>>   process.)
>>>>
>>>> The workflow is described is some detail in
> information sheets I
>>>   have.
>>>>
>>>> Since MIS only sells the VM-sepia in bulk, you'll
> need to load
>>>   carts or use
>>>> a CFS/CIS.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> _______________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: vinyo88 [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
>>>>   Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:19 PM
>>>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mission San Miguel -
> new sepia
>> webpage
>>>   photo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   ---
>>>>   Paul-great print, I am new to this MIS as I
have
> been printing
>>>   with
>>>>   Piezo for about a year now and am wondering if
I
> can use the
>>>   sepia in
>>>>   an Epson 1200 with your curves. If so when and
> where are the
>>>   curves
>>>>   applied. Like I said I am new to the MIS but
> have been
>> thinking
>>>   about
>>>>   tring them. I am not dissatified with the Piezo
> but do not
>> have
>>>   good
>>>>   control over tones.
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks
>>>>   Vinny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul
> Roark"
>>>   <paul.roark@v...>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A beautiful rendition. Stunning light and
> atmosphere.
>>>>>> Well done indeed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... How does the inkset you used behave using
> Piezo?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Piezo driver can't vary the tone, and with
> this inkset
>> it
>>>   will
>>>>   give a
>>>>> very bad distribution of tones.  The toner in a
> 3000 is in
>> the
>>>>   yellow cart,
>>>>> which is the lightest gray ink in the Piezo
> system.  So,
>> you'd
>>>   end
>>>>   up with
>>>>> sepia highlights and Piezo color midtones.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could I use Piezo for neutral prints and your
> curves for
>>>>>> alternatives? I currently have only a 3000.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new FS-Neutral and the VM-Sepia use the same
> black and
>> cyan
>>>>   inks.  So,
>>>>> you could simply switch the yellow and magenta
> ink carts,
>> do 3
>>>>   cleaning
>>>>> cycles and have the new inkset pretty much ready
> to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, you could mix the FS-Sepia and use the Piezo
> driver.
>> I've
>>>>   published a
>>>>> rough formula for the FS-sepia.  It is a bit
> stronger than
>> what
>>>   I
>>>>   used for
>>>>> the Mission print, but its gamut can be reduced
> to whatever
>> you
>>>>   like by
>>>>> mixing the inks with standard MIS FS inks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, it's a lot easier just to use the MIS
> VM-sepia
>> inkset
>>>>   and not
>>>>> mess with changing inks.  The inkset produces a
> very neutral
>>>>   grayscale with
>>>>> the toner withheld.  So, the range of the
> VM-Sepia is real
>>>>   impressive --
>>>>> neutral to sepia and everything in between.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether you would be happy with the 3000's
driver
> is a
>> question
>>>   of
>>>>   how
>>>>> sensitive you are to dots.  For my 16x20s the
> Epson dots are
>>>>   irrelevant.
>>>>> For small prints, I might not be as happy with
> the 3000 and
>> the
>>>>   Epson
>>>>> driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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