Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Thread

Glossy Paper Screen

Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-21 by Robert Morrison

Results from a recent gloss/semi-gloss paper screen that I have conducted
are posted in the files section:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Paper%20Dat
a/

The file is glossypaperscreen.pdf

I tested 14 different glossy and pearl papers:

Brightcube Gloss 
Brightcube ProPhoto Silk
conetech Glossy 
Epson Colorlife 
Epson Photo Paper 
Epson Premium Glossy
Epson Premium Luster
Hawk Mountain Sharpwing
Kodak Ultima Satin 
Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Glossy Paper
Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Satin Paper
Lumijet Geniune Pearl
Red River Ultra Pro Satin
Tetenal Spectra Jet

I used piezo inks with the piezo driver with the Epson Photo Paper profile.
I'm in the process of running the best of these papers with the MIS FS-N
inks using both the piezo driver and the epson driver.  So far results have
been very comparable with the different ink set.  Reciprocity may vary
slightly with the Epson driver, given that different quantities of inks may
be used for a given gray level.

After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed one image with
four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray (1305) and remeasured the dmax
and checked smear.

GENERAL COMMENTS
Contrary to many comments on this list, there are many glossy papers that
work relatively well with Piezo and MIS FS inks.  I noticed very little
bronzing with the papers that I used and for the most part only the Kodak
papers had problems with reticulation using the piezo driver.  That said,
none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test, until they were sprayed.
ALL the papers passed the test after they were sprayed.  It is also critical
to but your printer on the low printhead setting and carefully do print hear
alignment.  Gloss papers are not as forgiving as matte papers.  You may also
have trouble with pizza wheels.  Make sure the paper is flat when you print
it.

As you see from the data file unsprayed dmax ranged from 1.63 to 1.91 while
sprayed dmax ranged from 1.79 to 2.18.  None of the papers got worse when
sprayed with Krylon.  I have seen dmax's decrease with Gepe sprays in the
past.  The krylon is cheap and easy to apply.  By far the easiest papers to
spray are the Pearl/Luster/Silk papers that have a rough texture.  The
sprays on these papers are in visible and do not change the surface.  In
contrast the glossy papers take on a pebbled finish after spraying...thus
its probably best to go with the textured papers.  The kodak papers are the
hardiest to spray because they show imperfections in the spray
application...showing gloss slicks and other sections that are more pebbled.

The prints varied in color warmth.  This is roughly captured by the b
reading from the LAB measurements with my spectrocam.  I measured the 50%
gray patch from the 21 step wedge. The higher the number the more warm the
print.  The prints in the 5-6 range are pretty warm;however, the prints made
with these papers using the MIS FS-N ink set and the piezo driver are
beautifully neutral.

By way of cross reference, there are additional silk/luster/pearl papers
that will probably  perform similarly.  For instance Brightcube's Eclipse
line of gloss papers including their duet and semi-gloss papers have the
same surface coating as the prophoto silk but offer heavier weight paper.
My guess is that the Generations Luster paper would also be a good bet.

Hope this helps...I'd be glad to answer questions.  I will try to scan
several sample gray wedges in the next several days and post so that people
can see examples of the warming.

Robert

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-21 by Robert Morrison

One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could be framed
without spraying...but the surfaces are delicate...so you would need to
mount/frame to prevent people from handling them.  A light coat of Krylon
solves this problem...but if you want to preserve the true gross surface of
papers like the Spectra Jet of the Brightcube Gloss or Epson Premium Matte
you will need to not spray.

Robert
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 4/20/02 11:51 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:

> Results from a recent gloss/semi-gloss paper screen that I have conducted
> are posted in the files section:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Paper%20Dat
> a/
> 
> The file is glossypaperscreen.pdf
> 
> I tested 14 different glossy and pearl papers:
> 
> Brightcube Gloss 
> Brightcube ProPhoto Silk
> conetech Glossy 
> Epson Colorlife 
> Epson Photo Paper
> Epson Premium Glossy
> Epson Premium Luster
> Hawk Mountain Sharpwing
> Kodak Ultima Satin
> Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Glossy Paper
> Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Satin Paper
> Lumijet Geniune Pearl
> Red River Ultra Pro Satin
> Tetenal Spectra Jet
> 
> I used piezo inks with the piezo driver with the Epson Photo Paper profile.
> I'm in the process of running the best of these papers with the MIS FS-N
> inks using both the piezo driver and the epson driver.  So far results have
> been very comparable with the different ink set.  Reciprocity may vary
> slightly with the Epson driver, given that different quantities of inks may
> be used for a given gray level.
> 
> After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed one image with
> four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray (1305) and remeasured the dmax
> and checked smear.
> 
> GENERAL COMMENTS
> Contrary to many comments on this list, there are many glossy papers that
> work relatively well with Piezo and MIS FS inks.  I noticed very little
> bronzing with the papers that I used and for the most part only the Kodak
> papers had problems with reticulation using the piezo driver.  That said,
> none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test, until they were sprayed.
> ALL the papers passed the test after they were sprayed.  It is also critical
> to but your printer on the low printhead setting and carefully do print hear
> alignment.  Gloss papers are not as forgiving as matte papers.  You may also
> have trouble with pizza wheels.  Make sure the paper is flat when you print
> it.
> 
> As you see from the data file unsprayed dmax ranged from 1.63 to 1.91 while
> sprayed dmax ranged from 1.79 to 2.18.  None of the papers got worse when
> sprayed with Krylon.  I have seen dmax's decrease with Gepe sprays in the
> past.  The krylon is cheap and easy to apply.  By far the easiest papers to
> spray are the Pearl/Luster/Silk papers that have a rough texture.  The
> sprays on these papers are in visible and do not change the surface.  In
> contrast the glossy papers take on a pebbled finish after spraying...thus
> its probably best to go with the textured papers.  The kodak papers are the
> hardiest to spray because they show imperfections in the spray
> application...showing gloss slicks and other sections that are more pebbled.
> 
> The prints varied in color warmth.  This is roughly captured by the b
> reading from the LAB measurements with my spectrocam.  I measured the 50%
> gray patch from the 21 step wedge. The higher the number the more warm the
> print.  The prints in the 5-6 range are pretty warm;however, the prints made
> with these papers using the MIS FS-N ink set and the piezo driver are
> beautifully neutral.
> 
> By way of cross reference, there are additional silk/luster/pearl papers
> that will probably  perform similarly.  For instance Brightcube's Eclipse
> line of gloss papers including their duet and semi-gloss papers have the
> same surface coating as the prophoto silk but offer heavier weight paper.
> My guess is that the Generations Luster paper would also be a good bet.
> 
> Hope this helps...I'd be glad to answer questions.  I will try to scan
> several sample gray wedges in the next several days and post so that people
> can see examples of the warming.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> resources on the homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-21 by Steven Schaefer

The link did not work and I could not find it in the files section?

Robert Morrison wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could be
> framed
> without spraying...but the surfaces are delicate...so you would need
> to
> mount/frame to prevent people from handling them.  A light coat of
> Krylon
> solves this problem...but if you want to preserve the true gross
> surface of
> papers like the Spectra Jet of the Brightcube Gloss or Epson Premium
> Matte
> you will need to not spray.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 4/20/02 11:51 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
> 
> > Results from a recent gloss/semi-gloss paper screen that I have
> conducted
> > are posted in the files section:
> >
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Paper%20Dat
> > a/
> >
> > The file is glossypaperscreen.pdf
> >
> > I tested 14 different glossy and pearl papers:
> >
> > Brightcube Gloss
> > Brightcube ProPhoto Silk
> > conetech Glossy
> > Epson Colorlife
> > Epson Photo Paper
> > Epson Premium Glossy
> > Epson Premium Luster
> > Hawk Mountain Sharpwing
> > Kodak Ultima Satin
> > Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Glossy Paper
> > Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Satin Paper
> > Lumijet Geniune Pearl
> > Red River Ultra Pro Satin
> > Tetenal Spectra Jet
> >
> > I used piezo inks with the piezo driver with the Epson Photo Paper
> profile.
> > I'm in the process of running the best of these papers with the MIS
> FS-N
> > inks using both the piezo driver and the epson driver.  So far
> results have
> > been very comparable with the different ink set.  Reciprocity may
> vary
> > slightly with the Epson driver, given that different quantities of
> inks may
> > be used for a given gray level.
> >
> > After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed one
> image with
> > four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray (1305) and remeasured
> the dmax
> > and checked smear.
> >
> > GENERAL COMMENTS
> > Contrary to many comments on this list, there are many glossy papers
> that
> > work relatively well with Piezo and MIS FS inks.  I noticed very
> little
> > bronzing with the papers that I used and for the most part only the
> Kodak
> > papers had problems with reticulation using the piezo driver.  That
> said,
> > none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test, until they were
> sprayed.
> > ALL the papers passed the test after they were sprayed.  It is also
> critical
> > to but your printer on the low printhead setting and carefully do
> print hear
> > alignment.  Gloss papers are not as forgiving as matte papers.  You
> may also
> > have trouble with pizza wheels.  Make sure the paper is flat when
> you print
> > it.
> >
> > As you see from the data file unsprayed dmax ranged from 1.63 to
> 1.91 while
> > sprayed dmax ranged from 1.79 to 2.18.  None of the papers got worse
> when
> > sprayed with Krylon.  I have seen dmax's decrease with Gepe sprays
> in the
> > past.  The krylon is cheap and easy to apply.  By far the easiest
> papers to
> > spray are the Pearl/Luster/Silk papers that have a rough texture.
> The
> > sprays on these papers are in visible and do not change the
> surface.  In
> > contrast the glossy papers take on a pebbled finish after
> spraying...thus
> > its probably best to go with the textured papers.  The kodak papers
> are the
> > hardiest to spray because they show imperfections in the spray
> > application...showing gloss slicks and other sections that are more
> pebbled.
> >
> > The prints varied in color warmth.  This is roughly captured by the
> b
> > reading from the LAB measurements with my spectrocam.  I measured
> the 50%
> > gray patch from the 21 step wedge. The higher the number the more
> warm the
> > print.  The prints in the 5-6 range are pretty warm;however, the
> prints made
> > with these papers using the MIS FS-N ink set and the piezo driver
> are
> > beautifully neutral.
> >
> > By way of cross reference, there are additional silk/luster/pearl
> papers
> > that will probably  perform similarly.  For instance Brightcube's
> Eclipse
> > line of gloss papers including their duet and semi-gloss papers have
> the
> > same surface coating as the prophoto silk but offer heavier weight
> paper.
> > My guess is that the Generations Luster paper would also be a good
> bet.
> >
> > Hope this helps...I'd be glad to answer questions.  I will try to
> scan
> > several sample gray wedges in the next several days and post so that
> people
> > can see examples of the warming.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages
> to keep
> > them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
> header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> "flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the
> various
> > resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> 
>                    Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>                        ADVERTISEMENT
>                        [Click Here!]
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
> keep them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
> header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the
> various resources on the homepage.
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-21 by andrewjadler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Steven Schaefer 
<stevenr@m...> wrote:
> The link did not work and I could not find it in the files section?


The URL spilled over to the next line, so just add a "a" (completing 
the word "data") and the link will show up fine.

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-21 by Robert Morrison

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Paper%20Dat
a/

The link in the RE did not have the last "a".  The original post has the
correct link.

It is in the files section under paper data.  The file is called
glossypaperscreen.pdf  I just downloaded it without any problem.

Robert



On 4/21/02 4:53 AM, "Steven Schaefer" <stevenr@...> wrote:

> The link did not work and I could not find it in the files section?
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> 
>> One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could be
>> framed
>> without spraying...but the surfaces are delicate...so you would need
>> to
>> mount/frame to prevent people from handling them.  A light coat of
>> Krylon
>> solves this problem...but if you want to preserve the true gross
>> surface of
>> papers like the Spectra Jet of the Brightcube Gloss or Epson Premium
>> Matte
>> you will need to not spray.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 4/20/02 11:51 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Results from a recent gloss/semi-gloss paper screen that I have
>> conducted
>>> are posted in the files section:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Paper%20Dat
>>> a/
>>> 
>>> The file is glossypaperscreen.pdf
>>> 
>>> I tested 14 different glossy and pearl papers:
>>> 
>>> Brightcube Gloss
>>> Brightcube ProPhoto Silk
>>> conetech Glossy
>>> Epson Colorlife
>>> Epson Photo Paper
>>> Epson Premium Glossy
>>> Epson Premium Luster
>>> Hawk Mountain Sharpwing
>>> Kodak Ultima Satin
>>> Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Glossy Paper
>>> Kodak Professional EI Premium Photographic Satin Paper
>>> Lumijet Geniune Pearl
>>> Red River Ultra Pro Satin
>>> Tetenal Spectra Jet
>>> 
>>> I used piezo inks with the piezo driver with the Epson Photo Paper
>> profile.
>>> I'm in the process of running the best of these papers with the MIS
>> FS-N
>>> inks using both the piezo driver and the epson driver.  So far
>> results have
>>> been very comparable with the different ink set.  Reciprocity may
>> vary
>>> slightly with the Epson driver, given that different quantities of
>> inks may
>>> be used for a given gray level.
>>> 
>>> After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed one
>> image with
>>> four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray (1305) and remeasured
>> the dmax
>>> and checked smear.
>>> 
>>> GENERAL COMMENTS
>>> Contrary to many comments on this list, there are many glossy papers
>> that
>>> work relatively well with Piezo and MIS FS inks.  I noticed very
>> little
>>> bronzing with the papers that I used and for the most part only the
>> Kodak
>>> papers had problems with reticulation using the piezo driver.  That
>> said,
>>> none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test, until they were
>> sprayed.
>>> ALL the papers passed the test after they were sprayed.  It is also
>> critical
>>> to but your printer on the low printhead setting and carefully do
>> print hear
>>> alignment.  Gloss papers are not as forgiving as matte papers.  You
>> may also
>>> have trouble with pizza wheels.  Make sure the paper is flat when
>> you print
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> As you see from the data file unsprayed dmax ranged from 1.63 to
>> 1.91 while
>>> sprayed dmax ranged from 1.79 to 2.18.  None of the papers got worse
>> when
>>> sprayed with Krylon.  I have seen dmax's decrease with Gepe sprays
>> in the
>>> past.  The krylon is cheap and easy to apply.  By far the easiest
>> papers to
>>> spray are the Pearl/Luster/Silk papers that have a rough texture.
>> The
>>> sprays on these papers are in visible and do not change the
>> surface.  In
>>> contrast the glossy papers take on a pebbled finish after
>> spraying...thus
>>> its probably best to go with the textured papers.  The kodak papers
>> are the
>>> hardiest to spray because they show imperfections in the spray
>>> application...showing gloss slicks and other sections that are more
>> pebbled.
>>> 
>>> The prints varied in color warmth.  This is roughly captured by the
>> b
>>> reading from the LAB measurements with my spectrocam.  I measured
>> the 50%
>>> gray patch from the 21 step wedge. The higher the number the more
>> warm the
>>> print.  The prints in the 5-6 range are pretty warm;however, the
>> prints made
>>> with these papers using the MIS FS-N ink set and the piezo driver
>> are
>>> beautifully neutral.
>>> 
>>> By way of cross reference, there are additional silk/luster/pearl
>> papers
>>> that will probably  perform similarly.  For instance Brightcube's
>> Eclipse
>>> line of gloss papers including their duet and semi-gloss papers have
>> the
>>> same surface coating as the prophoto silk but offer heavier weight
>> paper.
>>> My guess is that the Generations Luster paper would also be a good
>> bet.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps...I'd be glad to answer questions.  I will try to
>> scan
>>> several sample gray wedges in the next several days and post so that
>> people
>>> can see examples of the warming.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
>> and other
>>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>>> 
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>> 
>>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>>> - Include your full name with your message.
>>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
>>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages
>> to keep
>>> them short.
>>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
>> header.
>>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>> "flames."
>>> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
>>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the
>> various
>>> resources on the homepage.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>                    Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>                        ADVERTISEMENT
>>                        [Click Here!]
>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
>> and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>> - Include your full name with your message.
>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
>> keep them short.
>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
>> header.
>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>> "flames."
>> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the
>> various resources on the homepage.
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> resources on the homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 

----------------------
Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

RE: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-22 by Richard Wolfson

Robert Morrison wrote:

> I tested 14 different glossy and pearl papers: 
    [snip]
> Contrary to many comments on this list, there are many glossy 
> papers that work relatively well with Piezo and MIS FS inks.
    [snip]

Robert, thanks for this valuable post and the work behind it. I've been
getting promising results with a paper of this class (Generations
ProPhoto Lustre) and my own (Generations-based) b&w ink set, so I'm glad
to see some general confirmation I may be on the right track. A couple
questions:

> That said, none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test,
> until they were sprayed. 

What's the procedure for doing a 24 hour smear test? 

> One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could 
> be framed without spraying...but the surfaces are 
> delicate

I concur entirely with this.

...so you would need to mount/frame to prevent people 
> from handling them.  A light coat of Krylon solves this 
> problem...

> After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed 
> one image with four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray 
> (1305) and remeasured the dmax and checked smear.

I have no experience with sprays, and haven't tried any yet. But what
you write is persuasive, so maybe I should. Is the Krylon 1305 what you
recommend, or just what you had at hand?

thanks again,
Richard Wolfson
www.rwolfson.com

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-22 by Robert Morrison

On 4/21/02 8:10 PM, "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...> wrote:

 
>> That said, none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test,
>> until they were sprayed.
> 
> What's the procedure for doing a 24 hour smear test?

I print a black patch with my step wedge particular for a smear test (that's
to Antonis Rico for this idea).  I wait 24 hours and apply light pressure
with my thumb.  If ink smears...it doesn't pass.
 
>> One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could
>> be framed without spraying...but the surfaces are
>> delicate
> 
> I concur entirely with this.
> 
> ...so you would need to mount/frame to prevent people
>> from handling them.  A light coat of Krylon solves this
>> problem...
> 
>> After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed
>> one image with four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray
>> (1305) and remeasured the dmax and checked smear.
> 
> I have no experience with sprays, and haven't tried any yet. But what
> you write is persuasive, so maybe I should. Is the Krylon 1305 what you
> recommend, or just what you had at hand?

I've tried a bunch.  This is the cheapest, most available and best in my
experience for sealing satin prints.  Don't waste your time trying to make
matte prints glossy with this...or in my experience...any spray.

Robert

RE: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-22 by Richard Wolfson

Thanks Robert, I'll try the smear test with my materials, and report
back. I wonder if testing correctly requires an aptitude akin to
gardening, like, say, a black thumb. I suppose that will come with
experience.

I'll check out the Krylon 1305 and report back on that too. I like the
Lustre finish exactly as it is, so I hope the spray does not make it any
glossier -- or duller either, for that matter. 

Richard Wolfson
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...] 
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen
> 
> 
> On 4/21/02 8:10 PM, "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...> wrote:
> 
>  
> >> That said, none of these papers passed a 24 hour smear test, until 
> >> they were sprayed.
> > 
> > What's the procedure for doing a 24 hour smear test?
> 
> I print a black patch with my step wedge particular for a 
> smear test (that's to Antonis Rico for this idea).  I wait 24 
> hours and apply light pressure with my thumb.  If ink 
> smears...it doesn't pass.
>  
> >> One other note.  The images on the best of these papers could be 
> >> framed without spraying...but the surfaces are delicate
> > 
> > I concur entirely with this.
> > 
> > ...so you would need to mount/frame to prevent people
> >> from handling them.  A light coat of Krylon solves this problem...
> > 
> >> After printing gray wedges and a test image twice, I sprayed one 
> >> image with four quick coats of Krylon UV Resistant Spray
> >> (1305) and remeasured the dmax and checked smear.
> > 
> > I have no experience with sprays, and haven't tried any 
> yet. But what 
> > you write is persuasive, so maybe I should. Is the Krylon 1305 what 
> > you recommend, or just what you had at hand?
> 
> I've tried a bunch.  This is the cheapest, most available and 
> best in my experience for sealing satin prints.  Don't waste 
> your time trying to make matte prints glossy with this...or 
> in my experience...any spray.
> 
> Robert
>

Re: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-22 by Robert Morrison

On 4/22/02 1:58 PM, "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...> wrote:

> I'll check out the Krylon 1305 and report back on that too. I like the
> Lustre finish exactly as it is, so I hope the spray does not make it any
> glossier -- or duller either, for that matter.

The Luster finish should fine with the Krylon.  I like both the Epson
Premium Luster and the Pro Photo silk papers...both have a luster finish.
Neither surface is changed by the Krylon if you keep the coats light.
Remember to keep the Krylon at least 12 inches from the spray surface.  I
just ordered some of the Generation Luster.  You can't beat the price.  It
says that it is 10mil...is it as heavy as the Epson Premium Luster?

Robert
----------------------
Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

RE: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Screen

2002-04-23 by Richard Wolfson

> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...] 
>
> I just ordered some of the Generation Luster.  You can't
> beat the price.  It says that it is 10mil...is it as heavy
> as the Epson Premium Luster?

I don't know, as I've not handled the Epson product; my interest in
these papers is very recent. I can tell you it appears to be identical
to Lyson Professional Photo Satin, except for the price.

Thanks for the Krylon advice.

Richard

Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Shelby Smith

I am seriously considering the S9000.

Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
are going to soon be supporting this printer.

Thanks


Shelby Smith

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.