Digital BW, The Print

Richard,
I remember Paul Roark's posts in the past about the same issue: banding with
piezo, no banding with Epson driver. He made tests on step-wedges, but
obviously the same results can be seen in real images, especially in smooth
areas.
 
Alessandro Pardi

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: mercoledì 3 luglio 2002 18.13
To: Alessandro Pardi
Subject: [Digital BW] Randall workflow fine, Peizo drivers gives banding
(was: Best Epson driver workflow for Piezo/FS inks?)


Wednesday, July 3, 2002, 7:21:03 AM, Alessandro Pardi wrote:

AP> Sorry for the ugly output (damn cut paste from html).
AP> Path is:

AP> Files/Ink Sets/MIS/MIS-FS/1160 Partitioned Workflow.

AP> Where you find the 2 flavors for old and new FS inks.
AP> Looking at your original post I see the 1160 is what you were after, so
it
AP> should be ok.

AP> Alessandro


Speaking of the Randall workflow I too have found it to work quite
nicely with my 1160 and FS inks.  I also happen to own the Peizo
driver and tried printing the same images (without the Randall curves)
but always get banding.  I thought banding was a physical printer head
issue, why would the same image print smooth and fine with the Randall
workflow (using Epson's drivers) yet have fairly obvious banding using
the Peizo driver?  I followed the Peizo workflow to a "T".  Any
suggestions?  Anyone else run into this as well?

Best regards,
Richard  

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Wednesday, July 3, 2002, 9:17:44 AM, Alessandro Pardi wrote:

AP> Richard,
AP> I remember Paul Roark's posts in the past about the same issue: banding with
AP> piezo, no banding with Epson driver. He made tests on step-wedges, but
AP> obviously the same results can be seen in real images, especially in smooth
AP> areas.
 
AP> Alessandro Pardi


Thanks for the reply Alessandro, but I have heard the good results can
come from FS inks with the Peizo driver and the 1160. Yet, all I try
have that banding. I've also heard that depending on the image
sometimes Randall workflow is best, sometimes Peizo is best. I'd like
to be able to accurately compare the two yet all the Peizo prints I do
are banded. I'd also like to believe I did not waste money on the
Peizo drivers when Epson drivers and FS inks would have been
"better"(!)

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

What printer are you using. The 1200 is prone to banding with Piezo. I print
with a 1280 no banding in sigh even under magnification

Mahesi

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...]
  Sent: 03 July 2002 17:34
  To: Alessandro Pardi
  Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Randall workflow fine, Peizo drivers gives
bandi ng (was: Best Epson driver workflow for Piezo/FS inks?)


  Wednesday, July 3, 2002, 9:17:44 AM, Alessandro Pardi wrote:

  AP> Richard,
  AP> I remember Paul Roark's posts in the past about the same issue:
banding with
  AP> piezo, no banding with Epson driver. He made tests on step-wedges, but
  AP> obviously the same results can be seen in real images, especially in
smooth
  AP> areas.

  AP> Alessandro Pardi


  Thanks for the reply Alessandro, but I have heard the good results can
  come from FS inks with the Peizo driver and the 1160. Yet, all I try
  have that banding. I've also heard that depending on the image
  sometimes Randall workflow is best, sometimes Peizo is best. I'd like
  to be able to accurately compare the two yet all the Peizo prints I do
  are banded. I'd also like to believe I did not waste money on the
  Peizo drivers when Epson drivers and FS inks would have been
  "better"(!)

  Best regards,
  Richard

  mailto:richard@...


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Wednesday, July 3, 2002, 2:20:23 PM, Mahesi Caplan-Faust wrote:

MCF> What printer are you using. The 1200 is prone to banding with Piezo. I print
MCF> with a 1280 no banding in sigh even under magnification

MCF> Mahesi


Epson 1160.


Best regards,
 Richard  

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Mahesi,

I had the same experience you did. I was never able to totally get rid of
the banding on the 1200 with the Piezo driver. I switched to a 1280 and
everything has been fine with both the Epson and the Piezo driver.

I think that the Piezo driver in general is more susceptible to banding than
the Epson driver which use a microweave pattern. Perhaps with the newer
printers, which I believe have more nozzles than some of the older models,
this is not such an issue.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mahesi Caplan-Faust" <caplan@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Randall workflow fine, Peizo drivers gives
bandi ng (was: Best Epson driver workflow for Piezo/FS inks?)


> What printer are you using. The 1200 is prone to banding with Piezo. I
print
> with a 1280 no banding in sigh even under magnification
>
> Mahesi
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...]
>   Sent: 03 July 2002 17:34
>   To: Alessandro Pardi
>   Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Randall workflow fine, Peizo drivers gives
> bandi ng (was: Best Epson driver workflow for Piezo/FS inks?)
>
>
>   Wednesday, July 3, 2002, 9:17:44 AM, Alessandro Pardi wrote:
>
>   AP> Richard,
>   AP> I remember Paul Roark's posts in the past about the same issue:
> banding with
>   AP> piezo, no banding with Epson driver. He made tests on step-wedges,
but
>   AP> obviously the same results can be seen in real images, especially in
> smooth
>   AP> areas.
>
>   AP> Alessandro Pardi
>
>
>   Thanks for the reply Alessandro, but I have heard the good results can
>   come from FS inks with the Peizo driver and the 1160. Yet, all I try
>   have that banding. I've also heard that depending on the image
>   sometimes Randall workflow is best, sometimes Peizo is best. I'd like
>   to be able to accurately compare the two yet all the Peizo prints I do
>   are banded. I'd also like to believe I did not waste money on the
>   Peizo drivers when Epson drivers and FS inks would have been
>   "better"(!)
>
>   Best regards,
>   Richard
>
>   mailto:richard@...
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