Digital BW, The Print

> Group,
> 
> <snip> 
> Does anyone have experience with these or similar scanners?  How do
> they compare with dedicated film or drum scanners?  Are they close
> quality wise, or is this too good to be true?
>

On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 07:23 AM, Truman Prevatt wrote:

> I've been considering the same thing. If you want to maintain 300 DPI in
> your print, then the 2400 DPI only will support a max 8 inches on the
> short side of a 35 mm negative when you print. If you want to crop, then
> less. With a medium format or 4x5 you have a lot more latitude. So I am
> not sure these scanners will do a good job with 35 mm. On the other hand
> 35 mm film scanners are not that expensive compared to the those that do
> medium format.
>
> I've read some reviews of the 2450 which indicate for medium format this
> scanner does a pretty good job.
>
> Truman
>
> steve1t wrote:
>
>> Group,
>>
>> A dedicated film scanner would be great to have, but is beyond my
>> needs and means.
>>
>> While shopping for a new flatbed scanner, I came across two that
>> feature built in film adaptors capable of scanning any film or
>> transparency - up to 4x5" for the Canon D2400UF CanoScan and up
>> to 6x9" for the Epson Perfection 2450 Photo Scanner.  Both feature
>> 2400x4800 dpi 48 bit scans, street price around $400.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with these or similar scanners?  How do
>> they compare with dedicated film or drum scanners?  Are they close
>> quality wise, or is this too good to be true?
>>
>> As for my personal requirements, I'm an amateur photographer with
>> 35mm, 6x6, and 4x5 negatives and transparencies.  No pro or fine art
>> print sales here, but, I do appreciate fine prints, both color and
>> b&w and seldom print larger than 11x14.  All my new photos are with
>> a 4 mega pixel Canon G2, RAW file format post processed - I'm
>> pleased with the results.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>> stephentucker@...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: steve1t 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:30 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanners with film adaptors - good, bad, or ugly?


  Group,

  A dedicated film scanner would be great to have, but is beyond my 
  needs and means.

  While shopping for a new flatbed scanner, I came across two that 
  feature built in film adaptors capable of scanning any film or 
  transparency - up to 4x5" for the Canon D2400UF CanoScan and up
  to 6x9" for the Epson Perfection 2450 Photo Scanner.  Both feature
  2400x4800 dpi 48 bit scans, street price around $400.

  Does anyone have experience with these or similar scanners?  How do 
  they compare with dedicated film or drum scanners?  Are they close 
  quality wise, or is this too good to be true?

  As for my personal requirements, I'm an amateur photographer with 
  35mm, 6x6, and 4x5 negatives and transparencies.  No pro or fine art 
  print sales here, but, I do appreciate fine prints, both color and 
  b&w and seldom print larger than 11x14.  All my new photos are with 
  a 4 mega pixel Canon G2, RAW file format post processed - I'm 
  pleased with the results.

  Thanks for any input.

  stephentucker@...




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> 
> Group,
> 
> A dedicated film scanner would be great to have, but is beyond my
> needs and means.
> 
> While shopping for a new flatbed scanner, I came across two that
> feature built in film adaptors capable of scanning any film or
> transparency - up to 4x5" for the Canon D2400UF CanoScan and up
> to 6x9" for the Epson Perfection 2450 Photo Scanner.  Both feature
> 2400x4800 dpi 48 bit scans, street price around $400.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with these or similar scanners?  How do
> they compare with dedicated film or drum scanners?  Are they close
> quality wise, or is this too good to be true?
> 
> As for my personal requirements, I'm an amateur photographer with
> 35mm, 6x6, and 4x5 negatives and transparencies.  No pro or fine art
> print sales here, but, I do appreciate fine prints, both color and
> b&w and seldom print larger than 11x14.  All my new photos are with
> a 4 mega pixel Canon G2, RAW file format post processed \ufffd I'm
> pleased with the results.
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> stephentucker@...
> 
> 
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> 
> Er ... isn't the Epson 2450 42 bit device rather than 48?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: steve1t
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:30 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanners with film adaptors - good, bad, or ugly?
> 
>   Group,
> 
>   A dedicated film scanner would be great to have, but is beyond my
>   needs and means.
> 
>   While shopping for a new flatbed scanner, I came across two that
>   feature built in film adaptors capable of scanning any film or
>   transparency - up to 4x5" for the Canon D2400UF CanoScan and up
>   to 6x9" for the Epson Perfection 2450 Photo Scanner.  Both feature
>   2400x4800 dpi 48 bit scans, street price around $400.
> 
>   Does anyone have experience with these or similar scanners?  How do
>   they compare with dedicated film or drum scanners?  Are they close
>   quality wise, or is this too good to be true?
> 
>   As for my personal requirements, I'm an amateur photographer with
>   35mm, 6x6, and 4x5 negatives and transparencies.  No pro or fine art
>   print sales here, but, I do appreciate fine prints, both color and
>   b&w and seldom print larger than 11x14.  All my new photos are with
>   a 4 mega pixel Canon G2, RAW file format post processed - I'm
>   pleased with the results.
> 
>   Thanks for any input.
> 
>   stephentucker@...
> 
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On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 01:19  PM, Jerry Olson wrote:

> I strongly recommend you actually scan a typical slide/negative with the
> brand of scanner you are going to buy before you buy it. I personally
> have never seen a really crisp, sharp scan from any epson scanner,
> especially with smaller negatives. But they do fine with the larger
> negs, especially the 4x5. I don't think epson optics are in the same
> league as canons.

On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 06:42 AM, Kip Babington wrote:

> I have the 2450 and have not been pleased with the results the few times
> I've tried to scan 35mm black and white negatives.  The occasional black
> and white prints I've scanned have turned into very nice digital files,
> but the film scans have been soft and mushy compared to the scans from
> prints.  This is based on only a few scans of each type, and from one
> with very little scanning experience in general, so take it FWIW.