Digital BW, The Print

I couldn't believe it myself until it was pointed out to me from 
someone at Blair editions.

Take two pieces of Ecilpse Satine bright white out of the box keeping 
them right side up. Then flip one over and put them next to each 
other. The back side is a little smoother. I was told that the back 
side "may" have more coating, but at any rate that they print  
"slightly" differently.

Any one else notice this- and knows how differently they print, 
microbanding problems, etc that one might encounter printing on back 
vs front? Which side prints better? I'm currently using VM inkset on 
1280. 

Or am I just seeing things?
Jim H.

Jim,

I print a lot on Eclipse Satine and prefer the smoother "back" sideŠI had
always considered that side to be the front though. I use a 1280 and have
used the VM, MIS FS and Piezo inks and have never had any banding problems
to speak of. Definitely one of two papers of choice for me.

Peter Lindman

on 7/26/02 9:24 AM, jimhayes361 at jimhayes@... wrote:

> I couldn't believe it myself until it was pointed out to me from
> someone at Blair editions.
> 
> Take two pieces of Ecilpse Satine bright white out of the box keeping
> them right side up. Then flip one over and put them next to each
> other. The back side is a little smoother. I was told that the back
> side "may" have more coating, but at any rate that they print
> "slightly" differently.
> 
> Any one else notice this- and knows how differently they print,
> microbanding problems, etc that one might encounter printing on back
> vs front? Which side prints better? I'm currently using VM inkset on
> 1280. 
> 
> Or am I just seeing things?
> Jim H.

I see no difference in print quality.

Jerry

jimhayes361 wrote:

> 
> I couldn't believe it myself until it was pointed out to me from
> someone at Blair editions.
> 
> Take two pieces of Ecilpse Satine bright white out of the box keeping
> them right side up. Then flip one over and put them next to each
> other. The back side is a little smoother. I was told that the back
> side "may" have more coating, but at any rate that they print
> "slightly" differently.
> 
> Any one else notice this- and knows how differently they print,
> microbanding problems, etc that one might encounter printing on back
> vs front? Which side prints better? I'm currently using VM inkset on
> 1280.
> 
> Or am I just seeing things?
> Jim H.
> 
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Ralph Roesler at Brightcube e-mailed me back to say that indeed the 
two sides are different wrt texture- one side has more than the other. 
He said they left the paper like this on purpose to please those who 
like more/less texture in the paper. I specifically asked about the 
190gsm version.

Jerry you're right because he confirms there is no coating difference 
or anything else that would affect tonality- except amount of texture.

I think I've been unconciuosly feeding in the rougher side for the 
most part, although this is the first time I realized the difference. 
I tend to like the deeper texture. I can understand those who prefer 
the flatter side tho<g>.
Jim H.






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> I see no difference in print quality.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> jimhayes361 wrote:
> > 
> > I couldn't believe it myself until it was pointed out to me from
> > someone at Blair editions.
> > 
> > Take two pieces of Ecilpse Satine bright white out of the box 
keeping
> > them right side up. Then flip one over and put them next to each
> > other. The back side is a little smoother. I was told that the 
back
> > side "may" have more coating, but at any rate that they print
> > "slightly" differently.
> > 
> > Any one else notice this- and knows how differently they print,
> > microbanding problems, etc that one might encounter printing on 
back
> > vs front? Which side prints better? I'm currently using VM inkset 
on
> > 1280.
> > 
> > Or am I just seeing things?
> > Jim H.
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is 
at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
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"flames."
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All--
As a point of reference, from a paper making perspective, ALL papers have
two distinct sides to them (even mould made papers): a wire side and a felt
side.  The felt side is usually the more "textured" side, as the marking
felts on a paper machine have some pattern which the fibers (now more or
less looking like paper) pick up as the web of paper makes its way down the
paper machine.  the wire side indicates the "wire" that is moving the web
of paper down the paper machine.  it is usually a sort of mesh wire, which
accounts for the usually "smoother" surface than the felt side.
check out Concord Rag, or Museo, for instance and you will also very
clearly see two distinct sides to the paper.
It is possible that during the coating application the coating formula
adheres differently to the 2 sides, i wouldn't suspect that it would be i
suppose it's possible.
hope this helps,
sincerely
robert rex
crane & co


At 01:24 AM 7/27/02 -0000, you wrote:
>    Ralph Roesler at Brightcube e-mailed me back to say that indeed the 
> two sides are different wrt texture- one side has more than the other. 
> He said they left the paper like this on purpose to please those who 
> like more/less texture in the paper. I specifically asked about the 
> 190gsm version.
> 
> Jerry you're right because he confirms there is no coating difference 
> or anything else that would affect tonality- except amount of texture.
> 
> I think I've been unconciuosly feeding in the rougher side for the 
> most part, although this is the first time I realized the difference. 
> I tend to like the deeper texture. I can understand those who prefer 
><>.
> Jim H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
><> wrote:
>> I see no difference in print quality.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> jimhayes361 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I couldn't believe it myself until it was pointed out to me from
>>> someone at Blair editions.
>>> 
>>> Take two pieces of Ecilpse Satine bright white out of the box 
> keeping
>>> them right side up. Then flip one over and put them next to each
>>> other. The back side is a little smoother. I was told that the 
> back
>>>"" have more coating, but at any rate that they print
>>>"" differently.
>>> 
>>> Any one else notice this- and knows how differently they print,
>>> microbanding problems, etc that one might encounter printing on 
> back
>>> vs front? Which side prints better? I'm currently using VM inkset 
> on
>>> 1280.
>>> 
>>> Or am I just seeing things?
>>> Jim H.

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