Digital BW, The Print

Out of all of Epson's printer line, why was the 2000P never useful
for BW printing? I still have one, going to give it one more BW try
and then, reluctantly purchase a 1280. 

Regards,
Alex

As others have already said, unless you printed with black ink only, b/w 
prints have a terrible color cast that differs under different lighting 
conditions.

If you print with black ink only, I think the prints looks pretty good on 
Epson Archival Matte or the Epson Watercolor paper. But if you get up 
close, you can see dots in the image. I also never got a decent looking b/w 
print from the 2000P using other paper (but I also never bought profiles 
for other paper, either). A small number of people like the 2000P b/w 
prints using black ink only. There is an article on one such photographer 
on www.luminous-landscape.com (I think the article might be in Mike 
Johnston's 37th Frame section).

I've gone the 1280 route for b/w printing, leaving the 2000P for possible 
color printing one day.

Jeff Greer

At 09:04 AM 08/20/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Out of all of Epson's printer line, why was the 2000P never useful
>for BW printing? I still have one, going to give it one more BW try
>and then, reluctantly purchase a 1280.
>
>Regards,
>Alex
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I have been using a 2000P for printing BW (with a CIS) for about two 
months now. I first tried the MIS-VM inkset but had bad 
posterization. Don't know enough about curve modification to solve 
the problem so switched to MIS FS-N inks in combo with the John Woolf 
workflow. The results are excellent. I also run a 1280 with PiezoTone 
warm-neutral inks. The 2000P prints have similar tonal range on EAM, 
though the blacks seem a tad deeper with the Piezo system. However, 
for many images, the warm Piezo color just won't do....

My 2000P sat on a closet shelf for almost a year after I became 
disenchanted with the effects of metamerism. Now I am making (and 
selling) nice prints with the machine -- which, by the way, is not as 
slow as some people suggest. Personally, I think it's worth the 
trouble to set it up for BW; mine has paid for itself already!
BJM

Hello BJM,

I had the identical experience with the VM inks and that is why I was going to give the FS set a try before retiring this printer. I am excited to hear that Someone has found the 2000P a useful printer for BW !
Please provide me the link to John Wolf's workflow information. I'd certainly prefer to do that rather than attempt to invent ( probably unsuccesfully ) my own design..  
I have all the MIS FS CFS parts, just 'some assembly required'.

Best,
Alex



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "bjpm77" <fnbjm1@u...> wrote:

> I have been using a 2000P for printing BW (with a CIS) for about two 
> months now. I first tried the MIS-VM inkset but had bad 
> posterization. Don't know enough about curve modification to solve 
> the problem so switched to MIS FS-N inks in combo with the John Woolf 
> workflow. The results are excellent. I also run a 1280 with PiezoTone 
> warm-neutral inks. The 2000P prints have similar tonal range on EAM, 
> though the blacks seem a tad deeper with the Piezo system. However, 
> for many images, the warm Piezo color just won't do....
> 
> My 2000P sat on a closet shelf for almost a year after I became 
> disenchanted with the effects of metamerism. Now I am making (and 
> selling) nice prints with the machine -- which, by the way, is not as 
> slow as some people suggest. Personally, I think it's worth the 
> trouble to set it up for BW; mine has paid for itself already!
> BJM

Alex --
The John Woolf workflow is on the MIS site as a downloadable zip 
file. I think it's on their workflow page. As I recall, the 2000P is 
not specifically mentioned in the list of hex printers, but the curve 
and settings seem to work well with my machine. On some prints I have 
to lighten values a bit, but haven't noticed any posterization. Good 
luck.
BJM

Paul --
Right on! I forgot to mention to Alex that one needs the "E" series 
MIS inks designed for the Epson driver. Thanks for pointing it out.
BJM

If you are going to use the Woolf workflow and FS inks, be sure to get the
FS or FS-N "E" series inks.  The problem with the standard Piezo or FS inks
in a hex printer with the Epson driver is that the same-density cyan &
light/photo cyan, magenta & light/photo magenta make the inksets incapable
of giving acceptable results with the Epson driver.  The built-in
cross-overs assume different density inks and cause an incurable flat spot
with same-density inks.

The "E" series FS inks use diluted light/photo position inks that avoids
this problem, similar to the ink positions I'd recommended hex owners try
with Piezo/FS inks.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: bjpm77 [mailto:fnbjm1@...]
  Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:12 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2000P whats different ?


  Alex --
  The John Woolf workflow is on the MIS site as a downloadable zip
  file. I think it's on their workflow page. As I recall, the 2000P is
  not specifically mentioned in the list of hex printers, but the curve
  and settings seem to work well with my machine. On some prints I have
  to lighten values a bit, but haven't noticed any posterization. Good
  luck.
  BJM





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Oh, Great !!
I received the 'FS Hex Set no 'E'.

I need to check the densities this weekend and probably
place another order  :(

Alex


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> If you are going to use the Woolf workflow and FS inks, be sure to get the
> FS or FS-N "E" series inks.  The problem with the standard Piezo or FS inks
> in a hex printer with the Epson driver is that the same-density cyan &
> light/photo cyan, magenta & light/photo magenta make the inksets incapable
> of giving acceptable results with the Epson driver.  The built-in
> cross-overs assume different density inks and cause an incurable flat spot
> with same-density inks.
> 
> The "E" series FS inks use diluted light/photo position inks that avoids
> this problem, similar to the ink positions I'd recommended hex owners try
> with Piezo/FS inks.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]